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Hey guys! We'll be closing this thread shortly, but we will make an American politics megathread where we can continue the discussions in here.

The new thread can be found here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=383301
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 07 2012 02:01 GMT
#25341
On November 07 2012 10:58 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 10:57 oneofthem wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:55 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:54 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:48 Romantic wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:46 Zealotdriver wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:42 Romantic wrote:
If the Romney insider thing is true and they think Ohio is Obama+5, I guess that shows buying a state with a bailout really works. Looks like that is a much bigger deal than private donations to campaigns. Forget private money influencing elections, public money seems much better at it.

Of course, improving the livelihoods of people is such a terrible use of public funds.

Nice spin there bud

Get a job with MSNBC. They'd love to have you.

The reason why money spent on the auto bail out is helping Obama is because it helped the economy. It helped people.

So it should rightly pay off for Obama, because people really are better off.

When government spends money, the minority it helps is obvious, the majority it hurts is hidden.

all dem roads and bridges hurting people.

underground

The straw man king. Good thing for me we weren't talking about roads or bridges, we were talking about corporate bail outs.

had you qualified your statement in some way this reply would have been ok.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
November 07 2012 02:01 GMT
#25342
Michigan has just been called for Obama. Thats a shame for Romney who was catching up in that state in final weeks.
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
November 07 2012 02:01 GMT
#25343
On November 07 2012 10:57 Rassy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 10:53 Souma wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:52 Romantic wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:49 farvacola wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:48 Romantic wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:46 Zealotdriver wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:42 Romantic wrote:
If the Romney insider thing is true and they think Ohio is Obama+5, I guess that shows buying a state with a bailout really works. Looks like that is a much bigger deal than private donations to campaigns. Forget private money influencing elections, public money seems much better at it.

Of course, improving the livelihoods of people is such a terrible use of public funds.

Nice spin there bud

Get a job with MSNBC. They'd love to have you.

Spin kettle calling the spin pot black? Spin me surprised.


There is no spin involved in saying the auto bailout nearly guaranteed Ohio and in general public money is much more influential than private money. That is a neutral statement. Zealotdriver just wanted to make a cute little attack.


Doing a good job is more influential than private money - thank God!

Still not gonna rest until we get some campaign finance reform though!



It was obama who changed the campaign financing.
There used to be state funding for the campaigns, and both candidates got to spend the same relativly small amount.
Then obama thought (rightfully) that he could get more monney from donations and since then the monney spend on the campaign has gone up to 6b now according to cnn.


He saw get Kerry swiftboated by outside groups with practically unlimited money and said that shit wasn't going to happen to him by being hamstrung by only taking federal funding.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 02:03:51
November 07 2012 02:01 GMT
#25344
On November 07 2012 10:58 Romantic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 10:54 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:48 Romantic wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:46 Zealotdriver wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:42 Romantic wrote:
If the Romney insider thing is true and they think Ohio is Obama+5, I guess that shows buying a state with a bailout really works. Looks like that is a much bigger deal than private donations to campaigns. Forget private money influencing elections, public money seems much better at it.

Of course, improving the livelihoods of people is such a terrible use of public funds.

Nice spin there bud

Get a job with MSNBC. They'd love to have you.

The reason why money spent on the auto bail out is helping Obama is because it helped the economy. It helped people.

So it should rightly pay off for Obama, because people really are better off.


You know it is more complicated than that. I am not going to debate here the virtue of using the taxpayer's credit card to bail out specific failing businesses here.

There is no reason not to bailout if:
1. There is a large ecology that is dependent on the auto industry, which will collapse if the auto industry collapses.
2. The industry is sustainable in the long run, having mostly short run cash flow problems.

Both conditions are satisfied for the auto industry, there is no reason not to bailout.

The bailout was good for Ohio, and it was good for the country.
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 02:03:19
November 07 2012 02:02 GMT
#25345
On November 07 2012 11:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 10:56 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Interestingly, the early numbers in PA don't seem quite powerful enough for Romney to pull off his upset there. Though, of course, it's only 1%; the urban margins just seem to big for Obama.


Just out of curiosity, if Romney were to get the upset in PA, but Obama took both OH and FL, would it even matter that Romney took PA at all? I think PA has 21 electoral votes, OH has 20, and FL has 27, so they're all relatively close to one another... but is that extra upset enough of a boost to make it a close race again? It would basically make Obama taking OH a wash, right? And Obama would still have FL.


If Obama gets FL and OH I can't imagine a situation where he doesn't win. And I'd say he has OH given his current margin.
HopLight
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden999 Posts
November 07 2012 02:02 GMT
#25346
On November 07 2012 10:59 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 10:49 HopLight wrote:
I highly recommend democratic supporters to tune into Fox News (http://www.baqi.tv/2011/10/watch-fox-news-live/) , there is a slow but sure sense of panic that is settling on the entire crew that is very enjoyable to watch.

you should've seen MSNBC in 2010. shit was a graveyard.

I'm just gonna say to everyone who is so sure... just wait a bit first.


Naah, I feel pretty sure. If Florida is this close then Romney has pretty much lost.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 02:03:15
November 07 2012 02:02 GMT
#25347
At this point, Florida is pretty much in line with the polls.

Romney's gone. Better start writing that concession speech.
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
November 07 2012 02:02 GMT
#25348
On November 07 2012 11:00 dAPhREAk wrote:
holy shit, the whole map went red on cnn.com. gotta love the south and midwest.

Cheese us! I saw that too, dropped my beer.
Turn off the radio
Inquisitor1323
Profile Joined March 2012
370 Posts
November 07 2012 02:03 GMT
#25349
On November 07 2012 11:01 Adreme wrote:
Michigan has just been called for Obama. Thats a shame for Romney who was catching up in that state in final weeks.

It might have something to do with that little thing called the auto industry.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
November 07 2012 02:03 GMT
#25350
On November 07 2012 11:01 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 10:58 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:57 oneofthem wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:55 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:54 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:48 Romantic wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:46 Zealotdriver wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:42 Romantic wrote:
If the Romney insider thing is true and they think Ohio is Obama+5, I guess that shows buying a state with a bailout really works. Looks like that is a much bigger deal than private donations to campaigns. Forget private money influencing elections, public money seems much better at it.

Of course, improving the livelihoods of people is such a terrible use of public funds.

Nice spin there bud

Get a job with MSNBC. They'd love to have you.

The reason why money spent on the auto bail out is helping Obama is because it helped the economy. It helped people.

So it should rightly pay off for Obama, because people really are better off.

When government spends money, the minority it helps is obvious, the majority it hurts is hidden.

all dem roads and bridges hurting people.

underground

The straw man king. Good thing for me we weren't talking about roads or bridges, we were talking about corporate bail outs.

had you qualified your statement in some way this reply would have been ok.

If you read the post I responded to a qualification would not be necessary.
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
November 07 2012 02:03 GMT
#25351
Florida with just 13k lead to obama
No Artosis, you are robin
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 02:05:30
November 07 2012 02:04 GMT
#25352
i think romney will win florida based on the swing of 2 to 3% per red county. blue counties are not swinging as much compared to 08 barring huge turnouts in the miami area


BROward CARRYING hard though
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
CrayonPopChoa
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Canada761 Posts
November 07 2012 02:04 GMT
#25353
Im following along on CNN and if they awarded the presidency based on which color the majority of the map is covered in, Romney would already be President lol.
BW4LIFE
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
November 07 2012 02:04 GMT
#25354
It's looking like Obama has won already.
acker
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2958 Posts
November 07 2012 02:05 GMT
#25355
Officially, Mr. Obama was projected to 49.797 percent of the vote there, and Mr. Romney 49.775 percent, a difference of two-hundredths of a percentage point.


Silver, on Florida.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
November 07 2012 02:05 GMT
#25356
On November 07 2012 11:04 ChoiSulli wrote:
Im following along on CNN and if they awarded the presidency based on which color the majority of the map is covered in, Romney would already be President lol.

Map looks like that every year. >_>
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 02:05:35
November 07 2012 02:05 GMT
#25357
On November 07 2012 11:04 oneofthem wrote:
i think romney will win florida based on the swing of 2 to 3% per red county. blue counties are not swinging as much compared to 08 barring huge turnouts in the miami area


Broward is still only 24% reporting and it has almost 50% pro-Obama margin. It singlehandedly swung the tally 340K last time it reported in due to misreporting.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
November 07 2012 02:05 GMT
#25358
That CNN map is the most unsettling thing I've ever seen. I could watch my dick sitting on the trip mechanism of a bear trap and feel more at ease.
Fueled
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1610 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 02:07:50
November 07 2012 02:06 GMT
#25359
On November 07 2012 11:00 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 10:56 TheTenthDoc wrote:
Interestingly, the early numbers in PA don't seem quite powerful enough for Romney to pull off his upset there. Though, of course, it's only 1%; the urban margins just seem to big for Obama.


Just out of curiosity, if Romney were to get the upset in PA, but Obama took both OH and FL, would it even matter that Romney took PA at all? I think PA has 21 electoral votes, OH has 20, and FL has 27, so they're all relatively close to one another... but is that extra upset enough of a boost to make it a close race again? It would basically make Obama taking OH a wash, right? And Obama would still have FL.

If Obama took FL and OH he'd be at 264 with Romney at 226 taking PA. This is including the states they should win.

(NV, CO, WI, IA, VA and NH would still be up for grabs)

PA has 20, OH has 18 and FL has 29.
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-11-07 02:07:01
November 07 2012 02:06 GMT
#25360
On November 07 2012 11:03 jdseemoreglass wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2012 11:01 oneofthem wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:58 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:57 oneofthem wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:55 jdseemoreglass wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:54 paralleluniverse wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:48 Romantic wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:46 Zealotdriver wrote:
On November 07 2012 10:42 Romantic wrote:
If the Romney insider thing is true and they think Ohio is Obama+5, I guess that shows buying a state with a bailout really works. Looks like that is a much bigger deal than private donations to campaigns. Forget private money influencing elections, public money seems much better at it.

Of course, improving the livelihoods of people is such a terrible use of public funds.

Nice spin there bud

Get a job with MSNBC. They'd love to have you.

The reason why money spent on the auto bail out is helping Obama is because it helped the economy. It helped people.

So it should rightly pay off for Obama, because people really are better off.

When government spends money, the minority it helps is obvious, the majority it hurts is hidden.

all dem roads and bridges hurting people.

underground

The straw man king. Good thing for me we weren't talking about roads or bridges, we were talking about corporate bail outs.

had you qualified your statement in some way this reply would have been ok.

If you read the post I responded to a qualification would not be necessary.

the correct way to respond to that would be to say, when government spending hurts people it usually is invisible.

you said something quite different.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
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