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farvacola
United States18818 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:50 JinDesu wrote: What mess? A tepidly growing economy after the freefall from 2008? A lack of war in the middle east? A relatively well managed recovery of the east coast after a major natural disaster? Quit being partial to one side, you wolly woggled mimbo! | ||
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heliusx
United States2306 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:39 Boraz wrote: No. I want others to stop saying "Don't vote for Romney, just vote forGary Johnson, because by the next election we can get a true conservative". If you truly look at the numbers, voting for Gary Johnson won't do crap. You'll be one of the few who actually vote for him. Either Romney or Obama is getting elected. So use your vote wisely for the 2 people that matter. I'm just telling people to be logical with their vote. You have the freedom to vote, don't throw that freedom away by being stupid with it. 5% of the vote for a party gets them public funding and a chance at the debates. But you probably already know that because you clearly know everything such as "obama lies and romney doesn't". It's a sad state of affairs when entire states have the same thought process as you do. Voting not on facts but what the tv tells you. It's so sad it's funny. | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:49 ayaz2810 wrote: Not voting personally. Makes no sense in this day and age. Candidates will say anything to get into office. I can't recall a president ever making promises, and then keeping them to the point that I actually said "wow, he did what he said he would do. I'm impressed". If you held a gun to my head, I'd probably pick Obama. Not for any good reason, just because he seems nice enough and I'm incredibly biased against Romney for his religious beliefs. I could never vote for a mormon. That's like voting for a scientologist. Inb4 it has no impact on how the country is run. It speaks to his state of mind. Mormonism is a pretty kooky cult. And it legitimately scares me that people don't think that's a problem. Can I ask this dude get a warning? Blatantly calling a religion a kooky cult is against TL rules I believe? Cause I once posted something about a religion, not being nice about it, and I got banned. I am Mormon as well, and this "man" has personally offended me. People here so many wrong things about Mormons. If you truly went to a website that wasn't written by an anti-mormon...our religion is just like any other Christian church. We believe in God and Jesus. In the end, that's all that matters. It's called freedom of religion, and Mormonish is actually a very big religion. That is very biased you won't vote for a president because of his religious beliefs. I personally thing Obama is a muslim...but if he was running our country the way it should be run, I wouldn't care. User was warned for this post | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:51 farvacola wrote: Quit being partial to one side, you wolly woggled mimbo! Sorry, I have that condition where my left leg is shorter than my right - forcing me to lean left. It's a terrible pre-existing condition, and I am finally glad to be able to get insurance for it. | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:41 Boraz wrote: Can you explain why "just vote" is logical though? Voting for a 3rd party candidate who literally has 0% chance of winning is the most pointless voting ever. It would be like just staying home. It means just the same. Explain how voting for somebody that will not win makes any sense? As usual and with all the non-voters: If all these people, that are not voting would vote for a 3rd party ... they would win!!! just get your ass from the couch ... yeah, that might be tricky... But it can have influence! just a few days ago I read an article about Eugene Debs. really interesting. Yeah, in his "best" of his five (!) tries to get president he got 3% (while he was in prison!), so not a real contender, but he moved many people! | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:52 heliusx wrote: 5% of the vote for a party gets them public funding and a chance at the debates. But you probably already know that because you clearly know everything such as "obama lies and romney doesn't". It's a sad state of affairs when entire states have the same thought process as you do. Voting not on facts but what the tv tells you. It's so sad it's funny. You wanna talk about TV? None of the liberal news stations have once reported on the whole Libya thing. Not once. Fox news has. All the liberal news stations can talk about is how Obama is such a good guy for helping with Hurricane Sandy recovery efforts. But then they say Romney is horrible for helping. You wanna talk about believing what's on TV? How about you stop being so blind and look at how much Liberal news stations won't report ANYTHING that can hurt Obama. By the way, the recovery effort for Hurricane Sandy going good? Are you insane? Turn on the TV. There are people dying every day. I don't care what Obama wants you to believe, people have been interviewed and are DYING. They are eating out of the trash because of how poorly run this recovery effort is. And now there's a winter storm coming, and more will die. Don't talk about a good recovery effort, that's a downright lie. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:52 heliusx wrote: 5% of the vote for a party gets them public funding and a chance at the debates. But you probably already know that because you clearly know everything such as "obama lies and romney doesn't". It's a sad state of affairs when entire states have the same thought process as you do. Voting not on facts but what the tv tells you. It's so sad it's funny. Unfortunately, GJ getting 5% of the vote would mean the Perrys/Bachmanns/Palins of the world will be able to leverage Romney as being "not conservative enough" while running against actual good candidates like Jeb Bush and Chris Christie. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
You might wanna use bold and italics. | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:53 Boraz wrote: Can I ask this dude get a warning? Blatantly calling a religion a kooky cult is against TL rules I believe? Cause I once posted something about a religion, not being nice about it, and I got banned. I am Mormon as well, and this "man" has personally offended me. People here so many wrong things about Mormons. If you truly went to a website that wasn't written by an anti-mormon...our religion is just like any other Christian church. We believe in God and Jesus. In the end, that's all that matters. It's called freedom of religion, and Mormonish is actually a very big religion. That is very biased you won't vote for a president because of his religious beliefs. I personally thing Obama is a muslim...but if he was running our country the way it should be run, I wouldn't care. "The founder of the movement was Joseph Smith, Jr., who was raised in the Burned-over district of Upstate New York. He claimed that, in response to prayer, he saw God the Father and Jesus Christ, as well as angels and other visions. This eventually led him to a restoration of Christian doctrine that, he said, was lost after the early Christian apostles were killed. In addition, several early leaders made marked doctrinal and leadership contributions to the movement, including Oliver Cowdery, Sidney Rigdon, and Brigham Young. Modern-day revelation from God continues to be a principal belief of the Mormon faith." "The people of western New York, like the rest of the United States at the time, were also influenced by folk religion. The fathers of both Joseph Smith, Jr. and Oliver Cowdery were reported to have used divining rods, though not by those within the LDS church. Joseph Smith reportedly used seer stones, which he used after his First Vision of Jesus Christ. People of the time used such rods and stones in various ways, including to locate underground water, to find lost items, to locate buried treasure or mineral mines, as part of religious or magic rituals, or to communicate with spirits or angels. Until about the 1830s, the use of such divining media, even as a profession, was thought by many, though not all, as "honorable and profitable employment". (Palmyra Herald, July 24, 1822)" That's all I'll say on the subject. If you know that, and you are still mormon..... you're as kooky as Romney. And to be fair, Islam is just as bad in my eyes. But, I'm not going to have a theological debate in the election thread. All I'm doing here is justifying "kooky" and "cult". User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:57 Boraz wrote: Again, I don't care what Liberal media says about Benghazi. People died and Obama should have helped. That's what it comes down to. And a President should never lie to the American people. I don't give a crap how bad it'll make him look if he tells the truth. What part of "telling people about Benghazi jeopardizes the remaining CIA missions and operatives in the area" do you not understand. "People died" Well shit dude - you want more to die? Fantastic! By the way, the recovery effort for Hurricane Sandy going good? Are you insane? Turn on the TV. There are people dying every day. I don't care what Obama wants you to believe, people have been interviewed and are DYING. They are eating out of the trash because of how poorly run this recovery effort is. And now there's a winter storm coming, and more will die. Don't talk about a good recovery effort, that's a downright lie. Sure - Staten Island is pretty terrible. Long Island is hit and miss. NJ is mostly ok, just lacking power. Connecticut.. is ok. South of the tristate region is relatively ok. Have you SEEN New Orleans? A year after? A whole, 365 days, after? | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:57 Boraz wrote: Again, I don't care what Liberal media says about Benghazi. People died and Obama should have helped. That's what it comes down to. And a President should never lie to the American people. I don't give a crap how bad it'll make him look if he tells the truth. I'm not terribly informed on the matter but it sounds like it could have resulted in more people dying had he come out with the "truth" as soon as he was aware. Situation gets a little less black and white, no? | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:55 Boraz wrote: By the way, the recovery effort for Hurricane Sandy going good? Are you insane? Turn on the TV. There are people dying every day. I don't care what Obama wants you to believe, people have been interviewed and are DYING. They are eating out of the trash because of how poorly run this recovery effort is. And now there's a winter storm coming, and more will die. Don't talk about a good recovery effort, that's a downright lie. Is this in the same fairyland where you believe this: If you truly want my opinion...I think Obama is a communist who is friends with those who attacked our Embassy. I think he let the attack happen as a sacrifice to his God, Allah. He isn't American whatsoever and wants to turn America into a communist country. That's my opinion. | ||
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Maxyim
430 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:49 Defacer wrote: Did you notice that Romney didn't bring up Libya in the foreign policy debate? Did you also hear that two of the Americans that were killed were not armed forces, but actually CIA operatives, aka US spies? Did you hear that the 'cultural center' the Ambassador was developing was actually, likely, a planned spy headquarters? The reason why Romney shut up about it suddenly is the same reason why Obama is so tight lipped about it -- the Americans that were involved where involved in a covert operation, and blathering on and on about it would probably jeopardize the security of CIA operatives or military personnel in the field. Wrong; Romney did not push Obama on Libya because that was his strategy - he did not push him on anything. He already proved that he can "take" him in the first debate, the "friendly" approach for the second and third debate was a calculated gamble to close the gender gap. Guess what, it worked! | ||
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Tarot
Canada440 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:59 TOloseGT wrote: Is this in the same fairyland where you believe this: I'm pretty convinced he's a character. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:41 Boraz wrote: Can you explain why "just vote" is logical though? Voting for a 3rd party candidate who literally has 0% chance of winning is the most pointless voting ever. It would be like just staying home. It means just the same. Explain how voting for somebody that will not win makes any sense? Because: A) There are other measures on the ballot besides the presidential election. If you stay home, you don't vote for the presidential election and you also don't vote in any of your local elections or ballot referendums that may impact your daily life quite severely. You could leave the presidential election part blank, or you could vote for the candidate you think would do the best job, whether or not he has a chance of getting elected or not, which brings me to my next point; B) If neither candidate has your support, you should vocalize that by not voting for either of them. Our political system may be corrupt and ineffective, but you're not helping anything by keeping your vote to yourself. By voting for a 3rd party candidate, you are announcing to our two-party system that neither one of them is covering the things you care about. They may not care about you individually, but they certainly care about your vote, and if their campaign gurus let them know there is a growing population of people who care about X that haven't been swayed to the other side, they'll act on it ASAP to try to snap you up. | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:53 Boraz wrote: Can I ask this dude get a warning? Blatantly calling a religion a kooky cult is against TL rules I believe? Cause I once posted something about a religion, not being nice about it, and I got banned. I am Mormon as well, and this "man" has personally offended me. People here so many wrong things about Mormons. If you truly went to a website that wasn't written by an anti-mormon...our religion is just like any other Christian church. We believe in God and Jesus. In the end, that's all that matters. It's called freedom of religion, and Mormonish is actually a very big religion. That is very biased you won't vote for a president because of his religious beliefs. I personally thing Obama is a muslim...but if he was running our country the way it should be run, I wouldn't care. lololololol lol o lo l o l l olloo ollolololol lo l o l o l o ll Ok. I was hoping TL would be the place to escape shit like this, but whatever. Just want this day to be over already. Too stressful | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On November 07 2012 05:01 Boraz wrote: Again, I hope you get a ban...because I've gotten banned for the same crap. As for that whole thing about Joseph Smith. Yes, we believe he saw Jesus Christ and God. We believe he restored the true church upon the face of the earth. Most of that stuff is written just to make the Mormons look weird. We believe he used stones, but you have to read more about our religion...not just some bad description by some newspaper. Come on mods, stop being partial to certain people. Sigh. Enjoy your brainwashing I guess. Peace! | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
On November 07 2012 04:59 Maxyim wrote: Wrong; Romney did not push Obama on Libya because that was his strategy - he did not push him on anything. He already proved that he can "take" him in the first debate, the "friendly" approach for the second and third debate was a calculated gamble to close the gender gap. Guess what, it worked! Thank God, another person thinking correctly. They think Romney backed off cause it was classified? Nope. It was because he made Obama look bad, and did the damage. Romney decided to use a different tactic the next time, and not to push the subject that is already hurting Obama. As to the guy quoting me from earlier. I was banned for that post and regret posting it. Don't bring up the past. | ||
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