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I see that the judge granted the prosecution's motion to instruct on third-degree murder, and she also graciously allowed the defense until 1:00 PM for research.
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On July 12 2013 01:32 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:27 plogamer wrote:On July 12 2013 01:21 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:13 Adreme wrote:On July 12 2013 01:11 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:07 plogamer wrote:
Are you out of your mind to compare a video-game situation to a real-life situation? No, not really. People curse in real life all the time. "Fucking punks" and "assholes" can be merely an expression of minor annoyance. You're the one out of your mind if you don't realize that people all the time use words like "fucking punks" without meaning much by them. I could never imagine a circumstance where I am calmly cussing while calling 911. Speak for yourself. I can imagine it quite easily. The prosecution must really be desperate if these are the straws you are grasping. You're grasping if you are trying to argue that swearing and cussing reflects a calm state of mind. /edit I can imagine your wedding proposal. "Will you fucking marry me, you punk?" I didn't say it "reflects" a calm state of mind; I said it's neutral. There's lots of people who use words like "fucking punks" when they're in a relative clam state of mind, especially if they're talking about people they suspect to be criminals.
The problem phrase is "they always get away" followed by him leaving the car and running.
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On July 12 2013 01:32 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:27 plogamer wrote:On July 12 2013 01:21 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:13 Adreme wrote:On July 12 2013 01:11 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:07 plogamer wrote:
Are you out of your mind to compare a video-game situation to a real-life situation? No, not really. People curse in real life all the time. "Fucking punks" and "assholes" can be merely an expression of minor annoyance. You're the one out of your mind if you don't realize that people all the time use words like "fucking punks" without meaning much by them. I could never imagine a circumstance where I am calmly cussing while calling 911. Speak for yourself. I can imagine it quite easily. The prosecution must really be desperate if these are the straws you are grasping. You're grasping if you are trying to argue that swearing and cussing reflects a calm state of mind. /edit I can imagine your wedding proposal. "Will you fucking marry me, you punk?" I didn't say it "reflects" a calm state of mind; I said it's neutral. There's lots of people who use words like "fucking punks" when they're in a relative clam state of mind, especially if they're talking about people they suspect to be criminals.
No. No they don't. Certainly not with strangers. And it's almost never interpreted that way unless you are familiar with the person. I don't know what world you live in, but it must be very small and very full of swearing for you to think that is a normal thing to say to a police dispatcher.
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On July 12 2013 01:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:25 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:21 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:13 Adreme wrote:On July 12 2013 01:11 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:07 plogamer wrote:
Are you out of your mind to compare a video-game situation to a real-life situation? No, not really. People curse in real life all the time. "Fucking punks" and "assholes" can be merely an expression of minor annoyance. You're the one out of your mind if you don't realize that people all the time use words like "fucking punks" without meaning much by them. I could never imagine a circumstance where I am calmly cussing while calling 911. Speak for yourself. I can imagine it quite easily. The prosecution must really be desperate if these are the straws you are grasping. The game of anecdotal evidence... "I wouldn't do it!" "Well I would!" Leads to nowhere yet again. Exactly. That's why innocent until proven guilty was invented and that's why under the eye of the law, George Zimmerman is an innocent man. The evidence simply points to justified homicide, not innocence. He says it was self defense, John Good's testimony makes it so. Zimmerman still shot a kid who was simply walking home. Zimmerman still got out of his car and ran toward's Martin's house. Zimmerman could have easily prevented this from happening by simple following his neighborhood watch training.
Nothing you are saying is supported by the truth. At this point, this will be the last time I, and I would hope, everyone else respond to you.
There is no evidence Zimmerman ran anywhere, that's a charged word you're using to try to get a response.
There is evidence, quite a lot, that Zimmerman shot a 17 year old who was not simply walking home, but actually doubled back to confront Zimmerman after Zimmerman completed the phone call.
Even given that you're correct on your previous points, which you're not, and you know you're not, you would still need to prove that Zimmerman started the physical exchange, which you can't do, because Trayvon wasn't harmed at all with the exception of the single gunshot.
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I like how no one is listening to the actual call where he is clearly not displaying malice when he says: "fucking punks".
He doesn't even sound angry... lol. You keep taking the words: "fucking punks" and are acting like they prove something when the tone of his voice doesn't support that conclusion at all.
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I missed today's part of the case. What happened?
Zimmerman got charged with Murder 3. Did he take the stand against his attorney's instruction and ruin everything? Did anything else of interest happen?
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On July 12 2013 01:37 LegalLord wrote:
I missed today's part of the case. What happened?
Zimmerman got charged with Murder 3. Did he take the stand against his attorney's instruction and ruin everything? Did anything else of interest happen?
They just added a charge. he still hasn't been convicted. He has not testified. A lot of stuff happened, but it's hard to describe it all.
Judge is a bitch, lol
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On July 12 2013 01:36 Felnarion wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:25 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:21 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:13 Adreme wrote:On July 12 2013 01:11 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:07 plogamer wrote:
Are you out of your mind to compare a video-game situation to a real-life situation? No, not really. People curse in real life all the time. "Fucking punks" and "assholes" can be merely an expression of minor annoyance. You're the one out of your mind if you don't realize that people all the time use words like "fucking punks" without meaning much by them. I could never imagine a circumstance where I am calmly cussing while calling 911. Speak for yourself. I can imagine it quite easily. The prosecution must really be desperate if these are the straws you are grasping. The game of anecdotal evidence... "I wouldn't do it!" "Well I would!" Leads to nowhere yet again. Exactly. That's why innocent until proven guilty was invented and that's why under the eye of the law, George Zimmerman is an innocent man. The evidence simply points to justified homicide, not innocence. He says it was self defense, John Good's testimony makes it so. Zimmerman still shot a kid who was simply walking home. Zimmerman still got out of his car and ran toward's Martin's house. Zimmerman could have easily prevented this from happening by simple following his neighborhood watch training. Nothing you are saying is supported by the truth. At this point, this will be the last time I, and I would hope, everyone else respond to you. There is no evidence Zimmerman ran anywhere, that's a charged word you're using to try to get a response. There is evidence, quite a lot, that Zimmerman shot a 17 year old who was not simply walking home, but actually doubled back to confront Zimmerman after Zimmerman completed the phone call. Even given that you're correct on your previous points, which you're not, and you know you're not, you would still need to prove that Zimmerman started the physical exchange, which you can't do, because Trayvon wasn't harmed at all with the exception of the single gunshot.
In the recording, you hear Zimmerman getting out of his car and running. The shooting happened closer to Trayvon's house than Zimmerman's car. Those are the facts.
This is after he says "they always get away"
These are not conjectures, this is what we have recorded.
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On July 12 2013 01:37 LegalLord wrote:
I missed today's part of the case. What happened?
Zimmerman got charged with Murder 3. Did he take the stand against his attorney's instruction and ruin everything? Did anything else of interest happen?
Arguing about what jury instructions will be provided and whether or not 3rd degree murder should be added to the charges. Nothing groundbreaking beyond that.
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On July 12 2013 01:40 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:36 Felnarion wrote:On July 12 2013 01:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:25 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:21 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:13 Adreme wrote:On July 12 2013 01:11 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:07 plogamer wrote:
Are you out of your mind to compare a video-game situation to a real-life situation? No, not really. People curse in real life all the time. "Fucking punks" and "assholes" can be merely an expression of minor annoyance. You're the one out of your mind if you don't realize that people all the time use words like "fucking punks" without meaning much by them. I could never imagine a circumstance where I am calmly cussing while calling 911. Speak for yourself. I can imagine it quite easily. The prosecution must really be desperate if these are the straws you are grasping. The game of anecdotal evidence... "I wouldn't do it!" "Well I would!" Leads to nowhere yet again. Exactly. That's why innocent until proven guilty was invented and that's why under the eye of the law, George Zimmerman is an innocent man. The evidence simply points to justified homicide, not innocence. He says it was self defense, John Good's testimony makes it so. Zimmerman still shot a kid who was simply walking home. Zimmerman still got out of his car and ran toward's Martin's house. Zimmerman could have easily prevented this from happening by simple following his neighborhood watch training. Nothing you are saying is supported by the truth. At this point, this will be the last time I, and I would hope, everyone else respond to you. There is no evidence Zimmerman ran anywhere, that's a charged word you're using to try to get a response. There is evidence, quite a lot, that Zimmerman shot a 17 year old who was not simply walking home, but actually doubled back to confront Zimmerman after Zimmerman completed the phone call. Even given that you're correct on your previous points, which you're not, and you know you're not, you would still need to prove that Zimmerman started the physical exchange, which you can't do, because Trayvon wasn't harmed at all with the exception of the single gunshot. In the recording, you hear Zimmerman getting out of his car and running. The shooting happened closer to Trayvon's house than Zimmerman's car. Those are the facts. This is after he says "they always get away" These are not conjectures, this is what we have recorded.
Not even the prosecution pretends Zimmerman was running. So you're wrong.
The shooting happened roughly the same distance from both, but if you look at a map, which I'm sure you haven't, you would see that from the initial point, at the truck, there is no way Zimmerman could have ever confronted Trayvon unless Trayvon doubled back to confront him.
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On July 12 2013 01:40 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:36 Felnarion wrote:On July 12 2013 01:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:25 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:21 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:13 Adreme wrote:On July 12 2013 01:11 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:07 plogamer wrote:
Are you out of your mind to compare a video-game situation to a real-life situation? No, not really. People curse in real life all the time. "Fucking punks" and "assholes" can be merely an expression of minor annoyance. You're the one out of your mind if you don't realize that people all the time use words like "fucking punks" without meaning much by them. I could never imagine a circumstance where I am calmly cussing while calling 911. Speak for yourself. I can imagine it quite easily. The prosecution must really be desperate if these are the straws you are grasping. The game of anecdotal evidence... "I wouldn't do it!" "Well I would!" Leads to nowhere yet again. Exactly. That's why innocent until proven guilty was invented and that's why under the eye of the law, George Zimmerman is an innocent man. The evidence simply points to justified homicide, not innocence. He says it was self defense, John Good's testimony makes it so. Zimmerman still shot a kid who was simply walking home. Zimmerman still got out of his car and ran toward's Martin's house. Zimmerman could have easily prevented this from happening by simple following his neighborhood watch training. Nothing you are saying is supported by the truth. At this point, this will be the last time I, and I would hope, everyone else respond to you. There is no evidence Zimmerman ran anywhere, that's a charged word you're using to try to get a response. There is evidence, quite a lot, that Zimmerman shot a 17 year old who was not simply walking home, but actually doubled back to confront Zimmerman after Zimmerman completed the phone call. Even given that you're correct on your previous points, which you're not, and you know you're not, you would still need to prove that Zimmerman started the physical exchange, which you can't do, because Trayvon wasn't harmed at all with the exception of the single gunshot. In the recording, you hear Zimmerman getting out of his car and running. The shooting happened closer to Trayvon's house than Zimmerman's car. Those are the facts. This is after he says "they always get away" These are not conjectures, this is what we have recorded.
The distance from Zimmerman's truck and Martin's house is like... two blocks, if not less. There is no reason that Martin couldn't have made it home in the two minutes he had if he was actually running home.
We also hear in the recording Zimmerman STOP running.
Don't ignore these facts and cherry pick your own.
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On July 12 2013 01:36 sc2superfan101 wrote:
I like how no one is listening to the actual call where he is clearly not displaying malice when he says: "fucking punks".
He doesn't even sound angry... lol. You keep taking the words: "fucking punks" and are acting like they prove something when the tone of his voice doesn't support that conclusion at all.
sc2superfan101, I am with you on a lot of arguments recently, but no one calls someone a "fucking punk" in a nice manner. The phrase itself is an insult. The fact that he said that pretty much shows that Zimmerman has made up his mind about Martin long before speaking with him. I don't think that is cause for him to be convicted, but lets not act like Zimmerman isn't a fucking idiot or a wanna-be cop trying to play hero.
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On July 12 2013 01:32 Freddybear wrote:
I see that the judge granted the prosecution's motion to instruct on third-degree murder, and she also graciously allowed the defense until 1:00 PM for research.
Yes so generous of her. A whole hour, during lunch! 
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On July 12 2013 01:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:25 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:21 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:13 Adreme wrote:On July 12 2013 01:11 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:07 plogamer wrote:
Are you out of your mind to compare a video-game situation to a real-life situation? No, not really. People curse in real life all the time. "Fucking punks" and "assholes" can be merely an expression of minor annoyance. You're the one out of your mind if you don't realize that people all the time use words like "fucking punks" without meaning much by them. I could never imagine a circumstance where I am calmly cussing while calling 911. Speak for yourself. I can imagine it quite easily. The prosecution must really be desperate if these are the straws you are grasping. The game of anecdotal evidence... "I wouldn't do it!" "Well I would!" Leads to nowhere yet again. Exactly. That's why innocent until proven guilty was invented and that's why under the eye of the law, George Zimmerman is an innocent man. The evidence simply points to justified homicide, not innocence. He says it was self defense, John Good's testimony makes it so. Zimmerman still shot a kid who was simply walking home. Zimmerman still got out of his car and ran toward's Martin's house. Zimmerman could have easily prevented this from happening by simple following his neighborhood watch training. And this is spoken from the lofty position of hindsight. This renders your account so biased and judgemental that it's practically worthless.
Some people would be called "brave" for doing exactly what Zimmerman intended to do.
As far as I can tell, this "principle of never snooping on shady-looking persons" has been invented on the spot and would never have emerged if it weren't for the race thing.
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On July 12 2013 01:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:40 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:36 Felnarion wrote:On July 12 2013 01:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:25 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:21 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:13 Adreme wrote:On July 12 2013 01:11 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:07 plogamer wrote:
Are you out of your mind to compare a video-game situation to a real-life situation? No, not really. People curse in real life all the time. "Fucking punks" and "assholes" can be merely an expression of minor annoyance. You're the one out of your mind if you don't realize that people all the time use words like "fucking punks" without meaning much by them. I could never imagine a circumstance where I am calmly cussing while calling 911. Speak for yourself. I can imagine it quite easily. The prosecution must really be desperate if these are the straws you are grasping. The game of anecdotal evidence... "I wouldn't do it!" "Well I would!" Leads to nowhere yet again. Exactly. That's why innocent until proven guilty was invented and that's why under the eye of the law, George Zimmerman is an innocent man. The evidence simply points to justified homicide, not innocence. He says it was self defense, John Good's testimony makes it so. Zimmerman still shot a kid who was simply walking home. Zimmerman still got out of his car and ran toward's Martin's house. Zimmerman could have easily prevented this from happening by simple following his neighborhood watch training. Nothing you are saying is supported by the truth. At this point, this will be the last time I, and I would hope, everyone else respond to you. There is no evidence Zimmerman ran anywhere, that's a charged word you're using to try to get a response. There is evidence, quite a lot, that Zimmerman shot a 17 year old who was not simply walking home, but actually doubled back to confront Zimmerman after Zimmerman completed the phone call. Even given that you're correct on your previous points, which you're not, and you know you're not, you would still need to prove that Zimmerman started the physical exchange, which you can't do, because Trayvon wasn't harmed at all with the exception of the single gunshot. In the recording, you hear Zimmerman getting out of his car and running. The shooting happened closer to Trayvon's house than Zimmerman's car. Those are the facts. This is after he says "they always get away" These are not conjectures, this is what we have recorded. The distance from Zimmerman's truck and Martin's house is like... two blocks, if not less. There is no reason that Martin couldn't have made it home in the two minutes he had if he was actually running home. We also hear in the recording Zimmerman STOP running. Don't ignore these facts and cherry pick your own.
I was told there was no evidence that Zimmerman ran anywhere, I was pointing out that that was false.
He responded by talking about where Trayvon *could* have run to, much like my initial statement talked about where Zimmerman *could* have sat in (his car).
He was pretending that Zimmerman never ran, and now is bringing up other points in the case when I point out that Zimmerman did run, and that Zimmerman did run after complaining about punks always getting away.
This shows his state of mind, it shows what he was thinking. It's as important to know as all the other points in the case.
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On July 12 2013 00:38 plogamer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 00:34 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 00:24 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Zimmerman does not have to provide a single reason for it being okay to follow Martin. He was legally allowed to follow Martin. He has no responsibility to not follow Martin. Once when I was a university student I was attacked and beaten up for no reason by drunken youths who decided to take their frustrations out on the nearest defenceless male student they could find. I was "rescued" by a cab driver who knew these kids were up to no good that night and decided to follow them in his cab. I got away with only minor injuries, but there's no telling how badly I would have been beaten up if it weren't for this cab driver. It's simply ridiculous to accuse people of being "vigilantes" for merely following suspicious-looking youths some distance. I don't know what area you're from; but you're lucky those youth were not armed. An untrained person like a cab driver could have escalated the situation and gotten you killed when you could have run and dialed 911 and achieved the same result.
what a completely bogus and asinine thing to say to someone.
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On July 12 2013 01:48 GreenGringo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:25 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:21 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:13 Adreme wrote:On July 12 2013 01:11 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:07 plogamer wrote:
Are you out of your mind to compare a video-game situation to a real-life situation? No, not really. People curse in real life all the time. "Fucking punks" and "assholes" can be merely an expression of minor annoyance. You're the one out of your mind if you don't realize that people all the time use words like "fucking punks" without meaning much by them. I could never imagine a circumstance where I am calmly cussing while calling 911. Speak for yourself. I can imagine it quite easily. The prosecution must really be desperate if these are the straws you are grasping. The game of anecdotal evidence... "I wouldn't do it!" "Well I would!" Leads to nowhere yet again. Exactly. That's why innocent until proven guilty was invented and that's why under the eye of the law, George Zimmerman is an innocent man. The evidence simply points to justified homicide, not innocence. He says it was self defense, John Good's testimony makes it so. Zimmerman still shot a kid who was simply walking home. Zimmerman still got out of his car and ran toward's Martin's house. Zimmerman could have easily prevented this from happening by simple following his neighborhood watch training. And this is spoken from the lofty position of hindsight. This renders your account so biased and judgemental that it's practically worthless. Some people would be called "brave" for doing exactly what Zimmerman intended to do. As far as I can tell, this "principle of never snooping on shady-looking persons" has been invented on the spot and would never have emerged if it weren't for the race thing.
Invented? It happened the moment the dispatcher said "you don't have to do that sir"
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On July 12 2013 01:48 Thieving Magpie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:44 sc2superfan101 wrote:On July 12 2013 01:40 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:36 Felnarion wrote:On July 12 2013 01:30 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:25 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:22 Thieving Magpie wrote:On July 12 2013 01:21 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:13 Adreme wrote:On July 12 2013 01:11 GreenGringo wrote:
[quote]No, not really. People curse in real life all the time. "Fucking punks" and "assholes" can be merely an expression of minor annoyance.
You're the one out of your mind if you don't realize that people all the time use words like "fucking punks" without meaning much by them. I could never imagine a circumstance where I am calmly cussing while calling 911. Speak for yourself. I can imagine it quite easily. The prosecution must really be desperate if these are the straws you are grasping. The game of anecdotal evidence... "I wouldn't do it!" "Well I would!" Leads to nowhere yet again. Exactly. That's why innocent until proven guilty was invented and that's why under the eye of the law, George Zimmerman is an innocent man. The evidence simply points to justified homicide, not innocence. He says it was self defense, John Good's testimony makes it so. Zimmerman still shot a kid who was simply walking home. Zimmerman still got out of his car and ran toward's Martin's house. Zimmerman could have easily prevented this from happening by simple following his neighborhood watch training. Nothing you are saying is supported by the truth. At this point, this will be the last time I, and I would hope, everyone else respond to you. There is no evidence Zimmerman ran anywhere, that's a charged word you're using to try to get a response. There is evidence, quite a lot, that Zimmerman shot a 17 year old who was not simply walking home, but actually doubled back to confront Zimmerman after Zimmerman completed the phone call. Even given that you're correct on your previous points, which you're not, and you know you're not, you would still need to prove that Zimmerman started the physical exchange, which you can't do, because Trayvon wasn't harmed at all with the exception of the single gunshot. In the recording, you hear Zimmerman getting out of his car and running. The shooting happened closer to Trayvon's house than Zimmerman's car. Those are the facts. This is after he says "they always get away" These are not conjectures, this is what we have recorded. The distance from Zimmerman's truck and Martin's house is like... two blocks, if not less. There is no reason that Martin couldn't have made it home in the two minutes he had if he was actually running home. We also hear in the recording Zimmerman STOP running. Don't ignore these facts and cherry pick your own. I was told there was no evidence that Zimmerman ran anywhere, I was pointing out that that was false. He responded by talking about where Trayvon *could* have run to, much like my initial statement talked about where Zimmerman *could* have sat in (his car). He was pretending that Zimmerman never ran, and now is bringing up other points in the case when I point out that Zimmerman did run, and that Zimmerman did run after complaining about punks always getting away. This shows his state of mind, it shows what he was thinking. It's as important to know as all the other points in the case.
He obviously mis-spoke. There has been no attempt by the state to say zimmerman was running. None. You are completely making this "fact" up to justify the garbage spilling from your mouth. He was following, not chasing. Big difference.
edit: It really amazes me how someone will add "facts" to what is actually stated while watching this trial. You are so biased that you are changing the events to fit your mind set of what happened. Sorry, your version didn't happen.
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On July 12 2013 01:34 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 12 2013 01:32 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:27 plogamer wrote:On July 12 2013 01:21 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:13 Adreme wrote:On July 12 2013 01:11 GreenGringo wrote:On July 12 2013 01:07 plogamer wrote:
Are you out of your mind to compare a video-game situation to a real-life situation? No, not really. People curse in real life all the time. "Fucking punks" and "assholes" can be merely an expression of minor annoyance. You're the one out of your mind if you don't realize that people all the time use words like "fucking punks" without meaning much by them. I could never imagine a circumstance where I am calmly cussing while calling 911. Speak for yourself. I can imagine it quite easily. The prosecution must really be desperate if these are the straws you are grasping. You're grasping if you are trying to argue that swearing and cussing reflects a calm state of mind. /edit I can imagine your wedding proposal. "Will you fucking marry me, you punk?" I didn't say it "reflects" a calm state of mind; I said it's neutral. There's lots of people who use words like "fucking punks" when they're in a relative clam state of mind, especially if they're talking about people they suspect to be criminals. No. No they don't. Certainly not with strangers. And it's almost never interpreted that way unless you are familiar with the person. I don't know what world you live in, but it must be very small and very full of swearing for you to think that is a normal thing to say to a police dispatcher. Subjective claptrap, like everything the prosecution has put forward in this joke of a case.
Quite apart from the veil of uncertainty surrounding the matter of possibility on which you issue these cocksure pronouncements...you don't even appear to be correct. Someone's already pointed out that Zimmerman sounded calm when he said "fucking punks".
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Man, this thread has turned to shit today. You kids wanna take your bickering to PMs and leave this thread alone?
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