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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:58 turdburgler wrote: there was a huge amount of debate when this story was just beginning about the stand your ground laws, and how insane they appear to be to a lot of people. im curious if the people posting here about the guilt or innocence of zimmerman are going by whether they believe he rightly killed martin, wrongfully killed him, or wrongfully killed him but the state law will protect his 'mistake' ? It's not really about the stand your ground law, so far the defense hasn't even tried to make that argument. It's about regular self defense, and I assume most people don't have issues with the overall idea of self defense. So the bigger question would be if you think he actually killed Martin in self defense, if you are not sure he did, but don't think there's enough evidence to convict him of manslaugther/murder, or if you believe he is guilty. So far, from this thread, most people seem to fall in the first two categories. A rightfull kill by self defense law doesn't mean it wasn't a mistake though. It's a situation that could have been prevented no matter what really happened. | ||
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FatChicksUnited
Canada214 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:58 turdburgler wrote: there was a huge amount of debate when this story was just beginning about the stand your ground laws, and how insane they appear to be to a lot of people. im curious if the people posting here about the guilt or innocence of zimmerman are going by whether they believe he rightly killed martin, wrongfully killed him, or wrongfully killed him but the state law will protect his 'mistake' ? Zimmerman hasn't yet invoked the Stand Your Ground defence. So far, his legal team is making this a standard self-defence case. The state law (that I assume you're referring to) doesn't (yet) apply. | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On June 30 2013 06:58 turdburgler wrote: there was a huge amount of debate when this story was just beginning about the stand your ground laws, and how insane they appear to be to a lot of people. im curious if the people posting here about the guilt or innocence of zimmerman are going by whether they believe he rightly killed martin, wrongfully killed him, or wrongfully killed him but the state law will protect his 'mistake' ? Stand your ground is irrelevant. This case comes down to self-defense(there's a difference in statute) and whether the homicide committed by Zimmerman is justified as per the exceptions granted by law in order to defend yourself from seriously bodily harm, death, etc. There is no point in injecting one's own personal feelings or morales into it. Most people talking about the guilt or innocence have hopefully watched the trial and have seen all the evidence and witness testimony to determine whether the objective standard of proof has been garnered to warrant a conviction for 2nd degree murder. From what I've seen so far, the prosecution has not and probably will not overcome the burden of proof necessary to convict. The facts and testimony are pointing towards self defense. Self defense is not a 'mistake'. If you fuck up and shoot someone without fulfilling the requirements to justify the homicide, you're going to be found guilty of a crime even if it's a lesser offense than the one GZ has been charged with in this case. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
But I don't think Stand Your Ground is worth invoking - the media attention pretty much assured that this case would go to trial regardless of evidence. | ||
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
lolololol I kno if trayvon killer goes free it better be a fckn riot shortly after I actually support the fact that people want to riot if Trayvon doesn't get justice #justicefortrayvon Trayvon gon lose this case. I hope y'all ready to riot If the man who killed trayvon get off ima start a riot If George Zimmerman gets Free'd , Then expect a Trayvon Martin Riot If Trayvon Loses We Riot. If this nigga they free this mofo zimmerman there is gonna be riot and im gonna be the head of the riot...#justice for trayvon martin... George #Zimmerman killed #Trayvon Martin if he is not found guilty we will riot and that's a #fact we will burn this motherfucker down These niggas at the courthouse are our black freedom fighters ready to riot if we don't get justice for Trayvon! DEAR FLORIDA POLICE: If BLACK FOLKS RIOT when ZIMMERMAN is found NOT GUILTY please SHOOT TO KILL! Thank You Let these stupid bastards riot and burn down there communities! If they come after you put them in the same place as Trayvon! Hey Libs, when Zimmerman is acquitted will you riot, take each other out, and burn your neighborhoods down? Riot at my house and you can meet Trayvon” pic.twitter.com/iV9gj1WYff Black people want to riot when Zimmerman is acquitted? Bring it. I'll Trayvon your black ass. #Zimmermantrial Trayvon was a little fuckin punk, the truth will come out, and Zimmerman will walk. Blacks will riot & we kick their asses! | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:21 Shady Sands wrote: https://twitter.com/search/realtime?q=trayvon riot&src=typd lolololol "we gon riot" and "kill teh black peoples if dey riot" is sadly a common thing to see on twitter whenever there is some racial issue going on | ||
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stevarius
United States1394 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:23 DeepElemBlues wrote: "we gon riot" and "kill teh black peoples if dey riot" is sadly a common thing to see on twitter whenever there is some racial issue going on Considering the surge of gun rights advocates in the US and the amount of firearms sold over the past few years, riots like those that occurred after the Rodney King would probably be a bad idea lol. | ||
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DeepElemBlues
United States5079 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:25 stevarius wrote: Considering the surge of gun rights advocates in the US and the amount of firearms sold over the past few years, riots like those that occurred after the Rodney King would probably be a bad idea lol. there were just as much guns around then as there are now there are a lot less shooting deaths from modern american riots than you or i would think if the los angeles riots are any indicator | ||
TheRealArtemis
687 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:23 DeepElemBlues wrote: "we gon riot" and "kill teh black peoples if dey riot" is sadly a common thing to see on twitter whenever there is some racial issue going on Well, can you honestly expect the non Black Communities to react any different. Korean store owners took matters into their own hands during the rodney king riots, with great success. I would do the same. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On June 29 2013 23:36 plgElwood wrote: And if you check statistics, it´s poor uneducated people who are more often involved in violent crimes, robbery, assault murder and drugs. Also poor uneducated people happen to get poor uneducated children. It is not the systems who keeps them down, the parents themselves bring doom upon them because they are just to stupid to raise them to higher standards. I just want to clarify that I can easily turn my own statement around. A lot of people want to see Zimmerman exonerated, or are quick to cast Trayvon as some evil thug, and want to believe he got what he deserved. They want to believe that poor or uneducated deserve to be poor and uneducated, or that life is just as hard for themselves as it is for everyone else, and their well-being is well-deserved and just and not the product of random chances and good fortune. Just being born in a America, Canada or Germany gives you access to more opportunity and infrastructure than half the world's population. Life is not fair. Feeling sorry for yourself doesn't solve anything, but pretending that it is fair and that equal effort leads to equal results is just as delusional. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On June 30 2013 05:51 killa_robot wrote: That would be "ebonics", not real English. english isnt her first or even second language. lets be a little nicer. | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:36 Defacer wrote: Life is not fair. Feeling sorry for yourself doesn't solve anything, but pretending that it is fair and that equal effort leads to equal results is just as delusional. Couldn't agree with this more and I think we should all let the discussion end on this note. On the topic: Those tweets (or in this case, perhaps "twits and twats" would be more accurate a description) are disturbing. I really hope the death of a teenager doesn't lead to even more violence. | ||
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dotHead
United States233 Posts
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/trayvon-martin-straddling-george-zimmerman-confrontation-neighbor-article-1.1385077 | ||
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sc2superfan101
3583 Posts
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On June 30 2013 07:40 sc2superfan101 wrote: Couldn't agree with this more and I think we should all let the discussion end on this note. On the topic: Those tweets (or in this case, perhaps "twits and twats" would be more accurate a description) are disturbing. I really hope the death of a teenager doesn't lead to even more violence. With the way the media played this up, i.e. "big white vigilante racist stalks then murders helpless black child", I would bet quite a bit of money on riots happening. Hell, Al Sharpton STILL talks like GZ may as well be a KKK member whenever his show is on. | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On June 30 2013 08:25 SilverLeagueElite wrote: It's really hard to see racial motivation from Zimmerman. Zimmerman himself is multiracial with black ancestry. He's criticized the Sanford PD for the treatment of a black man. And yet the media narrative has been some iteration of 'white man shoots black boy', making sure to stress their race. The racial motivations have come from the media trying to portray it as such. A sad state of affairs. Yep. The whole thing is caused by the media frenzy. He should have never been in court. | ||
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Esk23
United States447 Posts
Watch this video. This is how the media generally pushed this story at the beginning... Disgusting. But at least the YoungTurds did not edit the 911 call to make Zimmerman look racist and at least they didn't show too many pictures of Trayvon when he was 12 years old. | ||
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