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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 21 2013 22:10 GMT
#2341
Female jury will try George Zimmerman in shooting death of Trayvon Martin

A jury has been selected for the Florida trial of George Zimmerman, who is accused of second-degree murder in the shooting of Trayvon Martin last year. Zimmerman’s attorneys will argue that he killed Martin in self-defense.

Martin was black, and Zimmerman identifies as Hispanic, and the judge is trying to make sure that racial tension does not affect the outcome of the trial. Today, the judge set limits on what prosecutors could tell the jury in their opening statement:

Prosecutors can argue in opening statements that George Zimmerman profiled Trayvon Martin based on factors such as age or clothing before he shot the unarmed 17-year-old, but they cannot say he was profiled based on race. . .

Judge Debra Nelson made the ruling ahead of Monday’s expected opening statements in Zimmerman’s second-degree murder trial.

Defense attorneys had asked the judge to prohibit prosecutors from using a series of words in opening statements that they deemed inflammatory. Those words included “profiled,” “vigilante,” “wannabe cop,” and that Zimmerman had confronted Martin, who was black. Zimmerman identifies as Hispanic.

The judge said all of those statements may be used, provided that race is not discussed if the issue of profiling is brought up.

Prosecutor John Guy had argued that there were a number of ways someone could be profiled other than race.

“That is not a racially charged term unless it’s made so, and we don’t intend to make it a racially charged term,” Guy said. “There are a number of avenues someone can be profiled in any one way or combination. We don’t intend to say he was solely profiled because of race.” Associated Press

All six members of the jury are women, and none of them are black:

After Thursday’s hearing, Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara was asked what he would say to people concerned there were no black jurors.

“People can look at it and have this response, that there’s no blacks on the jury, or no this or no that, or no men on the jury,” he said. “Tell me that we did something wrong in the process and I’ll agree with you.”

Prosecutors refused to comment for the duration of the trial.

Two of the jurors recently moved to the area — one from Iowa and one from Chicago — and two are involved with rescuing animals as their hobbies.

One juror had a prior arrest, but she said it was disposed of and she thought she was treated fairly. Two jurors have guns in their homes. All of their names have been kept confidential and the panel will be sequestered for the trial. Associated Press

For more on each member of the jury, continue reading here.

Zimmerman’s case, which has captivated the country, has put the community on edge:

Sixteen months after the killing, the area remains unsettled by the discord that erupted here last year and spread throughout the country — and is hopeful that civility prevails during the four- to six-week trial and beyond the eventual verdict.

“There’s kind of a little nervous energy,” says Mayor Jeff Triplett. “I equate it to having butterflies in your stomach. You don’t know what’s going to happen. Everyone’s saying the right message of ‘let the court system work.’ ”. . .

Jerry Breeden, who moved from Tennessee to nearby DeLand last year, views the media and racial bias as major problems. He wonders why there wasn’t national attention on the recent retrial of the African American men who carjacked, tortured, raped and killed a young white couple in Knoxville six years ago.

“If that couple had been a young black couple and it had been hoodlum whites who did that — they would’ve burned Knoxville down,” says Breeden, who retired from the Tennessee Valley Authority.

When the trial starts later this week or next, the jury will be instructed to weigh only the evidence. Race, however, remains an uncertain force on the scales of justice.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/female-jury-will-try-george-zimmerman-in-shooting-death-of-trayvon-martin/2013/06/21/b7bbc976-da88-11e2-a9f2-42ee3912ae0e_story.html
Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
June 21 2013 22:14 GMT
#2342
I'm very surprised the jury is all female.

I hope they apply their motherly instincts equally to George (imagine your child pinned on his back being beaten to death, he should be allowed to defend himself right?) as they do to Trayvon.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 18:21:45
June 22 2013 18:21 GMT
#2343
Big hit to the prosecution here imo.

The judge in the murder trial of George Zimmerman said Saturday that prosecution audio experts who point to Trayvon Martin as screaming on a 911 call moments before he was killed won't be allowed to testify at trial.

The screams are crucial pieces of evidence because they could determine who the aggressor was in the confrontation before Zimmerman fatally shot the unarmed teenager. Martin's family contends it was the teen screaming, while Zimmerman's father has said it was his son.

Judge Debra Nelson ruled that the methods used by the experts aren't reliable. But her ruling doesn't prevent the 911 calls from being played at trial.

She reached the decision after hearing arguments that stretched over several days this month on whether to allow testimony from two prosecution experts. One expert ruled out Zimmerman as the screamer and another said it was Martin. Defense experts argued there was not enough audio to determine who the screams are coming from. Zimmerman's attorneys also argued that the state experts' analysis is flawed.

Opening statements are set for Monday in the second-degree murder trial for the former neighborhood watch volunteer who says he fired on the black teenager in self-defense last year. Zimmerman is pleading not guilty.

The elimination of the audio experts will likely shorten the trial by a week. Before the ruling, attorneys had predicted the trial could last two to four weeks after opening statements.


Zimmerman Judge: No Testimony on 911 Call Screams
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Zaqwe
Profile Joined March 2012
591 Posts
June 22 2013 18:22 GMT
#2344
On June 23 2013 03:21 farvacola wrote:
Big hit to the prosecution here imo.

Show nested quote +
The judge in the murder trial of George Zimmerman said Saturday that prosecution audio experts who point to Trayvon Martin as screaming on a 911 call moments before he was killed won't be allowed to testify at trial.

The screams are crucial pieces of evidence because they could determine who the aggressor was in the confrontation before Zimmerman fatally shot the unarmed teenager. Martin's family contends it was the teen screaming, while Zimmerman's father has said it was his son.

Judge Debra Nelson ruled that the methods used by the experts aren't reliable. But her ruling doesn't prevent the 911 calls from being played at trial.

She reached the decision after hearing arguments that stretched over several days this month on whether to allow testimony from two prosecution experts. One expert ruled out Zimmerman as the screamer and another said it was Martin. Defense experts argued there was not enough audio to determine who the screams are coming from. Zimmerman's attorneys also argued that the state experts' analysis is flawed.

Opening statements are set for Monday in the second-degree murder trial for the former neighborhood watch volunteer who says he fired on the black teenager in self-defense last year. Zimmerman is pleading not guilty.

The elimination of the audio experts will likely shorten the trial by a week. Before the ruling, attorneys had predicted the trial could last two to four weeks after opening statements.


Zimmerman Judge: No Testimony on 911 Call Screams

Good. That guy was a crackpot.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 22 2013 18:24 GMT
#2345
glad to see a judge actually fulfill the gatekeeper role. the technology just isnt there yet!! =)
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
June 22 2013 18:52 GMT
#2346
On June 23 2013 03:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
glad to see a judge actually fulfill the gatekeeper role. the technology just isnt there yet!! =)

I wonder how Trayvonn's case will recover. That looks like GG to me, even if they play it, I doubt that alone will sway the jury.
User was warned for too many mimes.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 22 2013 18:58 GMT
#2347
On June 23 2013 03:52 docvoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 03:24 dAPhREAk wrote:
glad to see a judge actually fulfill the gatekeeper role. the technology just isnt there yet!! =)

I wonder how Trayvonn's case will recover. That looks like GG to me, even if they play it, I doubt that alone will sway the jury.

the 911 tapes arent excluded, just the experts. they are going to play the 911 tapes and have trayvon's father (and maybe mother) take the stand and say that it is their son screaming. the father has already said that to the news media before. the problem is that his credibility is hurt because he originally said that the voice was not his son's at the beginning of the investigation. his 180 will make him look bad. also, zimmerman's brother and father will likely take the stand in defense and say it is their brother/son's voice on the 911 tape. so, its kind of a crapshoot. the prosecutor's case isnt dead in the water, but like farv said, this is a big hit to them. their witnesses and evidence is getting limited--they cant even mention race as a basis for the profiling.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 19:19:54
June 22 2013 19:01 GMT
#2348
On June 21 2013 08:01 dAPhREAk wrote:
all females. five white, one black or hispanic.

i wonder how zimmerman and his counsel are feeling about his chances with that jury.

another interesting tidbit, even the FBI is poo-pooing the use of voice technology (although he is paid by the defense):
Show nested quote +

On June 6, defense expert Hirotaka Nakasone, an audio engineer for the FBI, expressed his doubts about using the recordings.

"A screaming voice is too far for us to address," Nakasone said. "It might mislead in the worst case."

Zimmerman's team should love their jury. Two of the jurors were initially stricken by the DA using peremptory challenges. The defense then made a Batson challenge (ie they claimed that the DA struck them purely for racial reasons) and won, resulting in the two jurors being reseated. The defense only needs a hung jury to win, and they have two very likely candidates to get there already on the jury.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 22 2013 19:07 GMT
#2349
Here are descriptions of the jurors. The Defense should be feeling pretty good right now.

B-29: A nurse on an Alzheimer's ward who is black or Hispanic, has several children, is married and lived in Chicago at the time of shooting. She said she doesn't watch the news, preferring reality television: "Right when we got here, I got cable... I love my reality shows." During jury selection, she said she was arrested once in Chicago.

B-76: A white, middle-aged woman who said Zimmerman had an "altercation with the young man. There was a struggle and the gun went off." Has been married 30 years, and is unemployed. She formerly worked with her husband in his construction company. Her 28-year-old son is an attorney in Seminole County. She also has a daughter, 26, has been a victim of non-violent crime and rescues "a lot of pets."

B-37: A middle-aged white woman who has worked for a chiropractor for 16 years and has many pets. She described protests in Sanford as "rioting." Her husband is an attorney. She has two daughters: A 24-year-old dog groomer and a 27-year-old who attends the University of Central Florida. She used to have concealed weapons permit, but let it lapse. Her husband also has one.

B-51: A retired white woman from Oviedo who has a dog and 20-year-old cat. She knew a good deal about the case, but said "I'm not rigid in my thinking." She has been in Seminole County for nine years, is unmarried and has no kids. She previously lived in Atlanta, and used to work in real estate. She also ran a call center in Brevard County which she said had 1,200 employees.

E-6: A young white woman and mother who used to work in financial services. She used this case as an example to her two adolescent children, warning them to not go out at night. She has lived in Seminole County for eight years, and is married to an engineer. She was arrested in Brevard County, but said she "was treated completely fairly." Her husband has guns.

E-40: A white woman in her 60s who lived in Iowa at the time of the shooting. She heard national news reports and recalls the shooting was in a gated community and a teenager was killed. She described herself as safety officer, is married to a chemical engineer and loves football. She has a 28-year-old son who's out of work. She said she's very well versed in cell phone technology, and has been a victim of crime.


Source.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
June 22 2013 19:19 GMT
#2350
I can't believe the prosecution let someone with a lapsed CC permit on the jury......I can't comprehend it.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 22 2013 19:21 GMT
#2351
On June 23 2013 04:19 farvacola wrote:
I can't believe the prosecution let someone with a lapsed CC permit on the jury......I can't comprehend it.

She's one of the ones that they tried to strike and failed.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 22 2013 19:22 GMT
#2352
On June 23 2013 04:21 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 04:19 farvacola wrote:
I can't believe the prosecution let someone with a lapsed CC permit on the jury......I can't comprehend it.

She's one of the ones that they tried to strike and failed.

what was their stated basis in response to the batson challenge?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 22 2013 19:23 GMT
#2353
On June 23 2013 04:22 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2013 04:21 xDaunt wrote:
On June 23 2013 04:19 farvacola wrote:
I can't believe the prosecution let someone with a lapsed CC permit on the jury......I can't comprehend it.

She's one of the ones that they tried to strike and failed.

what was their stated basis in response to the batson challenge?

I dunno, but apparently it wasn't good enough.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
June 22 2013 19:26 GMT
#2354
Yeah, that's the thing, if the prosecution can't win on that front, I don't see how they are going to have a chance in hell with the trial itself.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
stevarius
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1394 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-22 19:26:59
June 22 2013 19:26 GMT
#2355
Dis gon be gud.

I honestly can't wait for the decision of this case to be decided. I anticipate it's going to be headlines for a while regardless of the outcome. It's going to be almost as interesting as the SCOTUS decision of the DOMA/same-sex marriage cases.

I got my popcorn ready because this prosecution needs a miracle. I hope they livestream this case.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 22 2013 19:29 GMT
#2356
On June 23 2013 04:26 farvacola wrote:
Yeah, that's the thing, if the prosecution can't win on that front, I don't see how they are going to have a chance in hell with the trial itself.

Well, the DA was at a disadvantage when it came to jury selection anyway. My understanding is that the district from which the jury was selected is conservative and likely to be sympathetic to Zimmerman.
Kaitlin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2958 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-23 01:52:16
June 23 2013 01:50 GMT
#2357
"Expert" testimony about who was screaming on the 911 tapes ain't gettin' in.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/judge-no-audio-testimony-zimmerman-trial

edit: I guess I didn't scroll up far enough. Already posted ...
randombum
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2378 Posts
June 23 2013 04:00 GMT
#2358
Thanks for all these updates. I find these really interesting but usually lose track and them and end up forgetting all about it.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5712 Posts
June 23 2013 06:16 GMT
#2359
How can you select a jury of all white women, 1 black/hispance and call that justice. What happened to having a balanced jury of males, females, and races? This just seems incredibly stupid imo.
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nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
June 23 2013 07:13 GMT
#2360
A balanced jury have to mean more than just race no?
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