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North Korea has agreed to suspend uranium enrichment, as well as nuclear and long-range missile tests, following talks with the US.
The US State Department said Pyongyang had also agreed to allow UN inspectors to monitor its reactor in Yongbyon to verify compliance with the measures.
In return, the US is finalising 240,000 tonnes of food aid for the North.
The move comes two months after Kim Jong-un came to power following the death of his father, Kim Jong-il.
Correspondents say the move could pave the way for the resumption of six-party disarmament negotiations with Pyongyang, which last broke down in 2009.
Perhaps Kim Jongeun will lead North Korea forward in a way that helps out all of its people and gets rid of the famines that they have been experiencing. I've only read books on the subject, but it seems like so many people suffered greatly and died because of the electricity and food shortages. Hopefully North Korea will continue to move forward in a positive way.
Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-17208755
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not researching something you really don't have money/resources for in exchange for food to feed your starving ppl seems like a good trade for me.
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Whoa, 240,000 tons of food? That's a LOT of aid.
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Seems legit, they've kept their word in the past
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im starving myself.. damn house has 0 food
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On March 01 2012 17:34 TheBatman wrote:
Seems legit, they've kept their word in the past
Lol. They're gonna eat and bake nukes right after. watch.
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Surprising but good news.
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i heard there was no mention of plutonium and north korea uses plutonium. this a big deal?
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We will see if NK really changed a little in the future. One such action doesn't mean too much, especailly if you see the history of "diplomacy" of NK.
Still I am happy for all north korean people who desperately need aid.
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Hopefully this is one step towards North Korea becoming a "proper" state. I wonder how this will affect the view of the west in NK, wouldn't be suprised if we see them praising Kim Jong Il for the food.
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This is good news. Unfortunately for NK it's just a short-term solution to the food issue. Investing in large-scale fishing is what would save them, and they know it, but they also know that if they sent out 10% of the population into the sea, then most of them would take advantage of the situation and flee to Japan and South Korea.
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The son seems less retarded than the dad. Who would have thought.
Great news anyway, I am glad to see a little bit of hope for the North Korean people.
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On March 01 2012 17:54 Zidane wrote:
Surprising but good news.
This cat-and-mouse game has been going on forever, so don't expect anything. NK periodically threatened war, asked for food (when SK stopped feeding NK), threatened again... The leadership change isn't making a big difference, if any at all.
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I've never seen North Korea as too much of a threat. They're much like the Soviets in that they fear death, only they don't have the ability to really do much without committing suicide. We shouldn't give them aid and should prevent them from exchanging missile technology but other than that, it's best to ignore them for the most part.
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I hope they can keep their promises. Still giving 240k supply aid is pretty much, hoping US will get WAY better relationships with along other countries nearby.
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I get the impression that this happen somewhat cyclically:
1. North Korea creates a situation of impending conflict (say conventional warfare or developing nuclear weapons)
2. US send food aid to North Korea in exchange for an agreement that North Korea stops whatever it is they were doing in (1).
3. As soon as North Korea receives its aid, it reneges on the deal.
4. Repeat.
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This is dumb. We shouldnt give food to NK. They'll just resume production after.
This might also be the new leader trying to gain the support of the people and seal his place at the top.
Additionally, the more food we give them, the less of their own money they have to spend on food production / importing food, and more money left for them to spend on military or further progress on nuclear weapons...
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North korea is poor fuck, large parts of their country have no electricity and their population have been brainwashed in their views of NK and the west, I don't normally support American foreign policy but I'd support a "liberation" of that country, they are living sheltered lives (whether the west's version of capitalist democracy is better than what NK has is open to debate ubt at least they'd have the internet and would be able to listen to music that wasn't state sanctioned).
Currently, anyone who disagrees with the state is sent to a North Korean labour camp that is situated in remote sectors in Russia, here the workers live in shitty conditions and work their "debt" off for no money.
As for their nukes, lol, the boy scouts would roflstomp NK, they aren't a threat to anyone except themselves and the native population who are born into their totalitarian state. The missles they have pointed at south korea is kinda fucked up if true but largely NK is all image both in terms of external and internal politics.
I used to think NK was some badass nation with nukes and shit but after doing some reading and watching some documentaries I've realised they are all poor as fuck and the country is a shithole and they wouldn't even get close to firing their supposed nukes without the west blowing them back into the stone age first.
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On March 01 2012 21:10 sigma_x wrote:
I get the impression that this happen somewhat cyclically:
1. North Korea creates a situation of impending conflict (say conventional warfare or developing nuclear weapons)
2. US send food aid to North Korea in exchange for an agreement that North Korea stops whatever it is they were doing in (1).
3. As soon as North Korea receives its aid, it reneges on the deal.
4. Repeat.
i dont think it is quite that simple. plainly, that is what happened in the past, yes. we'll see if it happens again.
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On March 01 2012 21:30 mememolly wrote:
North korea is poor fuck, large parts of their country have no electricity and their population have been brainwashed in their views of NK and the west, I don't normally support American foreign policy but I'd support a "liberation" of that country, they are living sheltered lives (whether the west's version of capitalist democracy is better than what NK has is open to debate ubt at least they'd have the internet and would be able to listen to music that wasn't state sanctioned).
Currently, anyone who disagrees with the state is sent to a North Korean labour camp that is situated in remote sectors in Russia, here the workers live in shitty conditions and work their "debt" off for no money.
As for their nukes, lol, the boy scouts would roflstomp NK, they aren't a threat to anyone except themselves and the native population who are born into their totalitarian state. The missles they have pointed at south korea is kinda fucked up if true but largely NK is all image both in terms of external and internal politics.
I used to think NK was some badass nation with nukes and shit but after doing some reading and watching some documentaries I've realised they are all poor as fuck and the country is a shithole and they wouldn't even get close to firing their supposed nukes without the west blowing them back into the stone age first.
Its true, they arent much a threat to most developed countries. They are a threat to South Korea. Look how close Pyongyang and Seoul are to eachother. Missile techonology to reach that small distance at low altitude isn't a big deal by todays' standards. North Korea wouldn't have a hard time acquiring these kinds of weapons.
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On March 01 2012 21:30 mememolly wrote:
North korea is poor fuck, large parts of their country have no electricity and their population have been brainwashed in their views of NK and the west, I don't normally support American foreign policy but I'd support a "liberation" of that country, they are living sheltered lives (whether the west's version of capitalist democracy is better than what NK has is open to debate ubt at least they'd have the internet and would be able to listen to music that wasn't state sanctioned).
Currently, anyone who disagrees with the state is sent to a North Korean labour camp that is situated in remote sectors in Russia, here the workers live in shitty conditions and work their "debt" off for no money.
As for their nukes, lol, the boy scouts would roflstomp NK, they aren't a threat to anyone except themselves and the native population who are born into their totalitarian state. The missles they have pointed at south korea is kinda fucked up if true but largely NK is all image both in terms of external and internal politics.
I used to think NK was some badass nation with nukes and shit but after doing some reading and watching some documentaries I've realised they are all poor as fuck and the country is a shithole and they wouldn't even get close to firing their supposed nukes without the west blowing them back into the stone age first.
You are underestimating the power of nukes. The western forces will eventually win against north korea if it decides to use their nukes(which is very unlikely), however, places like seoul would be obliterated before that.
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On March 01 2012 21:30 mememolly wrote:
North korea is poor fuck, large parts of their country have no electricity and their population have been brainwashed in their views of NK and the west, I don't normally support American foreign policy but I'd support a "liberation" of that country, they are living sheltered lives (whether the west's version of capitalist democracy is better than what NK has is open to debate ubt at least they'd have the internet and would be able to listen to music that wasn't state sanctioned).
Currently, anyone who disagrees with the state is sent to a North Korean labour camp that is situated in remote sectors in Russia, here the workers live in shitty conditions and work their "debt" off for no money.
As for their nukes, lol, the boy scouts would roflstomp NK, they aren't a threat to anyone except themselves and the native population who are born into their totalitarian state. The missles they have pointed at south korea is kinda fucked up if true but largely NK is all image both in terms of external and internal politics.
I used to think NK was some badass nation with nukes and shit but after doing some reading and watching some documentaries I've realised they are all poor as fuck and the country is a shithole and they wouldn't even get close to firing their supposed nukes without the west blowing them back into the stone age first.
Then why should we sacrifice money and lives on them? We have every right to liberate them but we don't have an obligation. There needs to be some self-interest in it to justify it.
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Hasn't North Korea done bad things with foreign aid in the past? For some reason i remember reading about how they took millions of dollars of foreign aid and gave it to the upper class types such as government officials and military generals. Could the same happen with food?
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I doubt North-Korea is aiming their nukes at South-Korea. They already have more than enough conventional guns aimed at SK.
It is more likely that they reserve those nukes for Japan, which is within their missile range, and far more hated.
NK has maybe 5-10 nukes. So one nuke on each of the 5-10 largest cities in Japan.
Such a harmless nation that NK.
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Sooo... regular continuation of the status quo?
On March 01 2012 22:53 TheLOLas wrote:
Hasn't North Korea done bad things with foreign aid in the past? For some reason i remember reading about how they took millions of dollars of foreign aid and gave it to the upper class types such as government officials and military generals. Could the same happen with food?
I think it's a given that's what'll happen i mean thats what happens to all the foreign aid that goes into africa.
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On March 01 2012 21:34 pirates wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 21:30 mememolly wrote:
North korea is poor fuck, large parts of their country have no electricity and their population have been brainwashed in their views of NK and the west, I don't normally support American foreign policy but I'd support a "liberation" of that country, they are living sheltered lives (whether the west's version of capitalist democracy is better than what NK has is open to debate ubt at least they'd have the internet and would be able to listen to music that wasn't state sanctioned).
Currently, anyone who disagrees with the state is sent to a North Korean labour camp that is situated in remote sectors in Russia, here the workers live in shitty conditions and work their "debt" off for no money.
As for their nukes, lol, the boy scouts would roflstomp NK, they aren't a threat to anyone except themselves and the native population who are born into their totalitarian state. The missles they have pointed at south korea is kinda fucked up if true but largely NK is all image both in terms of external and internal politics.
I used to think NK was some badass nation with nukes and shit but after doing some reading and watching some documentaries I've realised they are all poor as fuck and the country is a shithole and they wouldn't even get close to firing their supposed nukes without the west blowing them back into the stone age first. Its true, they arent much a threat to most developed countries. They are a threat to South Korea. Look how close Pyongyang and Seoul are to eachother. Missile techonology to reach that small distance at low altitude isn't a big deal by todays' standards. North Korea wouldn't have a hard time acquiring these kinds of weapons.
It's really far-fetched that North Korea would attack South Korea. In the korean war, USA used their air superiority to bomb North Korea to smithereens, and they were complaining about air imba. Well, the south's air advantage is even greater today. Back then, North Korea used fairly high tech soviet technology, but today, North Korea is like 30 years behind the South in technology, and the gap is just growing. South Korea and USA are the most advanced military powers in the world and since they have such a strong alliance, anyone who attacks either of them would immediately put themselves on the losing end of a war.
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On March 01 2012 23:18 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 21:34 pirates wrote:On March 01 2012 21:30 mememolly wrote:
North korea is poor fuck, large parts of their country have no electricity and their population have been brainwashed in their views of NK and the west, I don't normally support American foreign policy but I'd support a "liberation" of that country, they are living sheltered lives (whether the west's version of capitalist democracy is better than what NK has is open to debate ubt at least they'd have the internet and would be able to listen to music that wasn't state sanctioned).
Currently, anyone who disagrees with the state is sent to a North Korean labour camp that is situated in remote sectors in Russia, here the workers live in shitty conditions and work their "debt" off for no money.
As for their nukes, lol, the boy scouts would roflstomp NK, they aren't a threat to anyone except themselves and the native population who are born into their totalitarian state. The missles they have pointed at south korea is kinda fucked up if true but largely NK is all image both in terms of external and internal politics.
I used to think NK was some badass nation with nukes and shit but after doing some reading and watching some documentaries I've realised they are all poor as fuck and the country is a shithole and they wouldn't even get close to firing their supposed nukes without the west blowing them back into the stone age first. Its true, they arent much a threat to most developed countries. They are a threat to South Korea. Look how close Pyongyang and Seoul are to eachother. Missile techonology to reach that small distance at low altitude isn't a big deal by todays' standards. North Korea wouldn't have a hard time acquiring these kinds of weapons. It's really far-fetched that North Korea would attack South Korea. In the korean war, USA used their air superiority to bomb North Korea to smithereens, and they were complaining about air imba. Well, the south's air advantage is even greater today. Back then, North Korea used fairly high tech soviet technology, but today, North Korea is like 30 years behind the South in technology, and the gap is just growing. South Korea and USA are the most advanced military powers in the world and since they have such a strong alliance, anyone who attacks either of them would immediately put themselves on the losing end of a war.
Nobody disagrees that in a SK / NK war, it would be SK that gets the victory.
The problem is that it will most likely be a Pyrrhic victory which will leave SK greatly impoverished.
I mean, hell, NK could destroy SK's economy just by disbanding itself.
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On March 01 2012 23:18 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 21:34 pirates wrote:On March 01 2012 21:30 mememolly wrote:
North korea is poor fuck, large parts of their country have no electricity and their population have been brainwashed in their views of NK and the west, I don't normally support American foreign policy but I'd support a "liberation" of that country, they are living sheltered lives (whether the west's version of capitalist democracy is better than what NK has is open to debate ubt at least they'd have the internet and would be able to listen to music that wasn't state sanctioned).
Currently, anyone who disagrees with the state is sent to a North Korean labour camp that is situated in remote sectors in Russia, here the workers live in shitty conditions and work their "debt" off for no money.
As for their nukes, lol, the boy scouts would roflstomp NK, they aren't a threat to anyone except themselves and the native population who are born into their totalitarian state. The missles they have pointed at south korea is kinda fucked up if true but largely NK is all image both in terms of external and internal politics.
I used to think NK was some badass nation with nukes and shit but after doing some reading and watching some documentaries I've realised they are all poor as fuck and the country is a shithole and they wouldn't even get close to firing their supposed nukes without the west blowing them back into the stone age first. Its true, they arent much a threat to most developed countries. They are a threat to South Korea. Look how close Pyongyang and Seoul are to eachother. Missile techonology to reach that small distance at low altitude isn't a big deal by todays' standards. North Korea wouldn't have a hard time acquiring these kinds of weapons. It's really far-fetched that North Korea would attack South Korea. In the korean war, USA used their air superiority to bomb North Korea to smithereens, and they were complaining about air imba. Well, the south's air advantage is even greater today. Back then, North Korea used fairly high tech soviet technology, but today, North Korea is like 30 years behind the South in technology, and the gap is just growing. South Korea and USA are the most advanced military powers in the world and since they have such a strong alliance, anyone who attacks either of them would immediately put themselves on the losing end of a war.
yes, you're right, i agree. I was mostly just clarifying an earlier post that said "NK is harmless". Just pointing out how many nice people could be put in danger by NK if they were heavily pressured.
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good trade for NK . and about the nukes : if they nuke South korea , is like they are nuking themselfs if you know what i mean .
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Awesome, so yet another country the US is providing food too for free while we have people living on the streets and starving over here. Horray for misplaced charity.
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On March 01 2012 23:38 Dekoth wrote:
Awesome, so yet another country the US is providing food too for free while we have people living on the streets and starving over here. Horray for misplaced charity.
I don't really see it that way.
1) You kinda say that people who starves in US are more important than people starving in North Korea
2) US could easily find the money to feed their own people. They could just cut like 10% of their military. But it's not their ideology.
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=316674
Same topic, you can actually find a link to another article that seem to have more details such as:
As part of the agreement, the United States said it would send 240,000 metric tons (about 265,000 tons) of food, though it limited the aid to nutritional supplements, rather than the rice and grains that, as two administration officials said, has in previous instances been diverted by the government or the military, or even sold abroad.
The aid is expected to be delivered in monthly shipments of 20,000 metric tons over the next year. The United States also insisted on rigorous monitoring to ensure that the aid would be provided to the neediest, especially women and children, many of whom show the stunting effects of chronic malnutrition.
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On March 01 2012 23:38 Dekoth wrote:
Awesome, so yet another country the US is providing food too for free while we have people living on the streets and starving over here. Horray for misplaced charity.
One does not prevent the other.
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remember, this guy who is in power was educated by that psychopath father of his...I seriously doubt he has better intentions than his father.
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On March 02 2012 00:02 bOneSeven wrote:
remember, this guy who is in power was educated by that psychopath father of his...I seriously doubt he has better intentions than his father.
I believe Kim Jong Un was schooled in Sweden if I recall.
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On March 01 2012 21:10 sigma_x wrote:
I get the impression that this happen somewhat cyclically:
1. North Korea creates a situation of impending conflict (say conventional warfare or developing nuclear weapons)
2. US send food aid to North Korea in exchange for an agreement that North Korea stops whatever it is they were doing in (1).
3. As soon as North Korea receives its aid, it reneges on the deal.
4. Repeat.
it's good that it is repeatable. The thing is, most of the politicians would prefer things to remain how they used to be, so that they can predict what is coming next and how to respond, do a "puppy show" to the public.
For example. US selling weapons to Taiwan almost every year, China complains about it all the time and get all fussed up about it, but in reality, Taiwan is the one that suffer because they are buying tonnes of highly priced weapons from the US. China would impose several economic "punishment" to US/TW but they are not harsh at all
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On March 01 2012 23:38 Dekoth wrote:
Awesome, so yet another country the US is providing food too for free while we have people living on the streets and starving over here. Horray for misplaced charity.
Also, we have to look at it as cost vs benefit. And true cost in time. Maybe the aid will make NK more receptive to disarmament and being open with the free world, thus preventing war in the future? In that case it would probably save more lives than just the food could have saved either here at home or in NK.
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Does anyone else find the North Korean philosophy of self sufficiency quite interesting? I mean in some of the propaganda pieces where western journalists are shown round the 'model' schools, they are full of computers which presumably are all produced domestically. Just think, they must reverse engineer all this stuff or come up with it themselves. Cars, computers, domestic appliances, communications, rockets etc etc. Remarkable really.
Intriguing philosophy, the complete opposite to globalisation. Of course it seems they aren't completely self sufficient...
Also not to mention that you go on google maps and there are no maps of NK. Takes you back a hundred years, before the likes of the Ordnance survey and GPS/Satellite maps. Zoom in on satellite images of Pyongyang and you see large deserted motorways...
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I am all for preventing war from breaking out, but the United States isn't really in a position to be giving out that kind of charity at the moment. The national debt is around 15.5 trillion, shouldn't the government be more interested in fixing this first?
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On March 02 2012 00:48 3Form wrote:
Does anyone else find the North Korean philosophy of self sufficiency quite interesting? I mean in some of the propaganda pieces where western journalists are shown round the 'model' schools, they are full of computers which presumably are all produced domestically. Just think, they must reverse engineer all this stuff or come up with it themselves. Cars, computers, domestic appliances, communications, rockets etc etc. Remarkable really.
Intriguing philosophy, the complete opposite to globalisation. Of course it seems they aren't completely self sufficient...
Also not to mention that you go on google maps and there are no maps of NK. Takes you back a hundred years, before the likes of the Ordnance survey and GPS/Satellite maps. Zoom in on satellite images of Pyongyang and you see large deserted motorways...
It is an idiotic concept.
Make no mistake, any and all of their technological progress is derived from stealing and engineering it at a later point.
North-Korea has never invented anything of its own.
*Edited by the North-Korean committee of socialist wealth and progress and greatness and prosperity:
North-Korea has produced a writing table that can be adjusted in height so that the student can easily read and write, regardless of its height. This remarkable creation has been brought to us by the dear leader and eternal president, Kim-Il-Sung.
North-Korea has also managed to master cold fusion, altough since their announcement they have not been able to fix their energy problems, even though they now posses a source of infinite energy. Surely, this socialist paradise has no need for such capitalist ideas like electricity and food!
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On March 02 2012 00:56 Rkie wrote:
I am all for preventing war from breaking out, but the United States isn't really in a position to be giving out that kind of charity at the moment. The national debt is around 15.5 trillion, shouldn't the government be more interested in fixing this first?
240.000 tons of food is not that expensive and it isn't exclusively paid for by the USA either.
Also, national debt is a poor reason to stop foreign aid. Foreign aid is a powerful tool for the foreign policy of a country.
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I believe Mr. Kim invented the beef burger as well! That must have been quite a feat of reverse engineering lol.
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This is really encouraging news..
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On March 01 2012 23:28 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 23:18 ninini wrote:On March 01 2012 21:34 pirates wrote:On March 01 2012 21:30 mememolly wrote:
North korea is poor fuck, large parts of their country have no electricity and their population have been brainwashed in their views of NK and the west, I don't normally support American foreign policy but I'd support a "liberation" of that country, they are living sheltered lives (whether the west's version of capitalist democracy is better than what NK has is open to debate ubt at least they'd have the internet and would be able to listen to music that wasn't state sanctioned).
Currently, anyone who disagrees with the state is sent to a North Korean labour camp that is situated in remote sectors in Russia, here the workers live in shitty conditions and work their "debt" off for no money.
As for their nukes, lol, the boy scouts would roflstomp NK, they aren't a threat to anyone except themselves and the native population who are born into their totalitarian state. The missles they have pointed at south korea is kinda fucked up if true but largely NK is all image both in terms of external and internal politics.
I used to think NK was some badass nation with nukes and shit but after doing some reading and watching some documentaries I've realised they are all poor as fuck and the country is a shithole and they wouldn't even get close to firing their supposed nukes without the west blowing them back into the stone age first. Its true, they arent much a threat to most developed countries. They are a threat to South Korea. Look how close Pyongyang and Seoul are to eachother. Missile techonology to reach that small distance at low altitude isn't a big deal by todays' standards. North Korea wouldn't have a hard time acquiring these kinds of weapons. It's really far-fetched that North Korea would attack South Korea. In the korean war, USA used their air superiority to bomb North Korea to smithereens, and they were complaining about air imba. Well, the south's air advantage is even greater today. Back then, North Korea used fairly high tech soviet technology, but today, North Korea is like 30 years behind the South in technology, and the gap is just growing. South Korea and USA are the most advanced military powers in the world and since they have such a strong alliance, anyone who attacks either of them would immediately put themselves on the losing end of a war. Nobody disagrees that in a SK / NK war, it would be SK that gets the victory. The problem is that it will most likely be a Pyrrhic victory which will leave SK greatly impoverished. I mean, hell, NK could destroy SK's economy just by disbanding itself.
Nah. If SK invaded NK it would be kind of like the Iraq invasion. The full-scale war would be over quickly and with very few casualties for South Korea. North Korea's infantry unit is pretty scary, but in modern warfare, infantry means very little. The big question is how fast they could disarm the DMZ mine fields before rolling in the tanks, but then they would just keep bombing in front of the line, with the ROK army and tanks marching forwards in the dust.
It's obviously impossible for SK to just absorb NK. They would need to start another regime in NK and then build it up slowly.
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On March 02 2012 01:36 ninini wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 23:28 zalz wrote:On March 01 2012 23:18 ninini wrote:On March 01 2012 21:34 pirates wrote:On March 01 2012 21:30 mememolly wrote:
North korea is poor fuck, large parts of their country have no electricity and their population have been brainwashed in their views of NK and the west, I don't normally support American foreign policy but I'd support a "liberation" of that country, they are living sheltered lives (whether the west's version of capitalist democracy is better than what NK has is open to debate ubt at least they'd have the internet and would be able to listen to music that wasn't state sanctioned).
Currently, anyone who disagrees with the state is sent to a North Korean labour camp that is situated in remote sectors in Russia, here the workers live in shitty conditions and work their "debt" off for no money.
As for their nukes, lol, the boy scouts would roflstomp NK, they aren't a threat to anyone except themselves and the native population who are born into their totalitarian state. The missles they have pointed at south korea is kinda fucked up if true but largely NK is all image both in terms of external and internal politics.
I used to think NK was some badass nation with nukes and shit but after doing some reading and watching some documentaries I've realised they are all poor as fuck and the country is a shithole and they wouldn't even get close to firing their supposed nukes without the west blowing them back into the stone age first. Its true, they arent much a threat to most developed countries. They are a threat to South Korea. Look how close Pyongyang and Seoul are to eachother. Missile techonology to reach that small distance at low altitude isn't a big deal by todays' standards. North Korea wouldn't have a hard time acquiring these kinds of weapons. It's really far-fetched that North Korea would attack South Korea. In the korean war, USA used their air superiority to bomb North Korea to smithereens, and they were complaining about air imba. Well, the south's air advantage is even greater today. Back then, North Korea used fairly high tech soviet technology, but today, North Korea is like 30 years behind the South in technology, and the gap is just growing. South Korea and USA are the most advanced military powers in the world and since they have such a strong alliance, anyone who attacks either of them would immediately put themselves on the losing end of a war. Nobody disagrees that in a SK / NK war, it would be SK that gets the victory. The problem is that it will most likely be a Pyrrhic victory which will leave SK greatly impoverished. I mean, hell, NK could destroy SK's economy just by disbanding itself. Nah. If SK invaded NK it would be kind of like the Iraq invasion. The full-scale war would be over quickly and with very few casualties for South Korea. North Korea's infantry unit is pretty scary, but in modern warfare, infantry means very little. The big question is how fast they could disarm the DMZ mine fields before rolling in the tanks, but then they would just keep bombing in front of the line, with the ROK army and tanks marching forwards in the dust. It's obviously impossible for SK to just absorb NK. They would need to start another regime in NK and then build it up slowly.
NK has enough artillery pointed at Seoul to level it in an hour. I don't dpubt that SK would win a war between them but it would cost them as I doubt NK would have any qualms against firing on civilians.
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On March 02 2012 00:56 Rkie wrote:
I am all for preventing war from breaking out, but the United States isn't really in a position to be giving out that kind of charity at the moment. The national debt is around 15.5 trillion, shouldn't the government be more interested in fixing this first?
Food is substantially cheaper than war. Appeasement combined with firm boundaries backed up by a resolute military can make economic sense.
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Perhaps Jong-Un cares slightly more about his people than his father did.
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On March 01 2012 17:34 TheBatman wrote:
Seems legit, they've kept their word in the past
Exactly what I was thinking. Well, all we can do is wait and see.
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On March 01 2012 21:30 mememolly wrote:
North korea is poor fuck, large parts of their country have no electricity and their population have been brainwashed in their views of NK and the west, I don't normally support American foreign policy but I'd support a "liberation" of that country, they are living sheltered lives (whether the west's version of capitalist democracy is better than what NK has is open to debate ubt at least they'd have the internet and would be able to listen to music that wasn't state sanctioned).
Currently, anyone who disagrees with the state is sent to a North Korean labour camp that is situated in remote sectors in Russia, here the workers live in shitty conditions and work their "debt" off for no money.
As for their nukes, lol, the boy scouts would roflstomp NK, they aren't a threat to anyone except themselves and the native population who are born into their totalitarian state. The missles they have pointed at south korea is kinda fucked up if true but largely NK is all image both in terms of external and internal politics.
I used to think NK was some badass nation with nukes and shit but after doing some reading and watching some documentaries I've realised they are all poor as fuck and the country is a shithole and they wouldn't even get close to firing their supposed nukes without the west blowing them back into the stone age first.
So they're not a threat to anyone except themselves... but they missiles they have are pointed at South Korea's capital... right...
Just because they're poor doesn't mean they have weapons, it could mean they just spent all their money on weapons, which is what I believe they did.
And I think this is a good call by the US. Try and open up relations now that the psychopath is gone. See if we can't start something new. If we can't, we can just wait until we can stop them from killing South Korea, then go kill them.
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to those who think this is good, you must wait unfortunately in the past the "aid food" has been taken and then sold not given freely to those poor souls. lets hope the son is a good man.
On March 01 2012 23:38 Dekoth wrote:
Awesome, so yet another country the US is providing food too for free while we have people living on the streets and starving over here. Horray for misplaced charity.
i heard this saying once from the movie water for elephants. anyone with half a brain can make a dollar, there are no job opportunities for them like we have here in NA. they need it more than you, since you can bust your balls and provide for yourself, these guys are already in camps that should never house a human being. the sad part is in the past the food was taken and sold to them instead of being given to them. its up to the kid to change this. change is good they say, lets hope its true this time!
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Wow, thats a lot of food going to North Korea. Had no idea that Kim Jong-Il passed away( where the hell was I when this happened?). I personally think this food aid is worth the destruction of weapons of mass destruction.
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On March 02 2012 02:26 wishbones wrote:to those who think this is good, you must wait unfortunately in the past the "aid food" has been taken and then sold not given freely to those poor souls. lets hope the son is a good man. Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 23:38 Dekoth wrote:
Awesome, so yet another country the US is providing food too for free while we have people living on the streets and starving over here. Horray for misplaced charity. i heard this saying once from the movie water for elephants. anyone with half a brain can make a dollar, there are no job opportunities for them like we have here in NA. they need it more than you, since you can bust your balls and provide for yourself, these guys are already in camps that should never house a human being. the sad part is in the past the food was taken and sold to them instead of being given to them. its up to the kid to change this. change is good they say, lets hope its true this time!
Yeah, but the more food that enters NK, the better. But you're absolutely right about USA. If you live in USA, and you can't afford food, it's your own fault. You just have to look at the average american to see that they have no shortage of food. I've seen videos of North Korean kids scouring the ground looking for food. Ppl in western countries don't know what real starvation means.
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Maybe the son isn't as power hungry or evil as the father. Maybe he is just hungry...
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The food is probably poisoned, it comes from the US.
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On March 02 2012 03:08 dubRa wrote:
The food is probably poisoned, it comes from the US.
They should try that. That's a convenient way to take out their army without touching the rest of the population.
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this is the same shit kim jongil's been pulling for years. They threaten to make nukes and as re-elections come up in the U.S, they say they'll talk. The American president will agree so that he can get good ratings, and as soon as there's a change in power in the u.s, NK will belike, HEY WERE MAKING NUKES AGAIN
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A short snack break for NK before they can resume their deviously diabolical avocations.
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I really hope this is a right step in the direction of peace with NK. Really expected the new Kim-Jong to be even worse than his father, but he really made the rational decision here.
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I can't stand the critism in this thread.. The people of N.K are starving and they need food, I don't care if their government are corrupt/a dictatorship or resort to cheap tricks..
Solid move from US.
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On March 02 2012 02:26 wishbones wrote:to those who think this is good, you must wait unfortunately in the past the "aid food" has been taken and then sold not given freely to those poor souls. lets hope the son is a good man. Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 23:38 Dekoth wrote:
Awesome, so yet another country the US is providing food too for free while we have people living on the streets and starving over here. Horray for misplaced charity. i heard this saying once from the movie water for elephants. anyone with half a brain can make a dollar, there are no job opportunities for them like we have here in NA. they need it more than you, since you can bust your balls and provide for yourself, these guys are already in camps that should never house a human being. the sad part is in the past the food was taken and sold to them instead of being given to them. its up to the kid to change this. change is good they say, lets hope its true this time!
There are other sayings as well..one of them is "Fix the problems in your own backyard, before you go telling your neighbor how to fix his".
Sorry, I am completely opposed to sending foreign countries when we have entire families living on the street wondering where their next meal is going to come from.
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On March 02 2012 00:56 Rkie wrote:
I am all for preventing war from breaking out, but the United States isn't really in a position to be giving out that kind of charity at the moment. The national debt is around 15.5 trillion, shouldn't the government be more interested in fixing this first?
To put 240,000 tonnes of food into perspective: in 2008, the United States produced 307 million tonnes of maize. Only a little over 8.3 million tonnes of that was actually used directly for human consumption in the United States. Nearly 130 million tonnes was fed to livestock.
240,000 tonnes of processed food really isn't that much, especially if it means that billions can be saved in military budgets.
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If you think a little bit, we can easily realise that yeah, that's a lot of food, but how many people could live from it for how long?
About NK's intentions, we can only wait, it's a kid educated in Switzerland if I'm right, so he could be a better dictator than his father.
And Dekoth, I'm not from the USA, therefore I'm not sure if I'm right, but I think that with the money people spend in weapons and the goverment invests' on military purposes, all the people living on the streets could easily have a house and food everyday.
And I don't really understand why this problem (and many others) could not be solved by diplomacy. I just think it's not necessary to go there and destroy their hole army and killing millions of soldiers just to put a pro-american dictatorship.
Sorry if my English is awful. This is just my opinion, and as I consider myself as a very ignorant person, you can reproach everything I've said.
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On March 02 2012 04:01 Dekoth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 02:26 wishbones wrote:to those who think this is good, you must wait unfortunately in the past the "aid food" has been taken and then sold not given freely to those poor souls. lets hope the son is a good man. On March 01 2012 23:38 Dekoth wrote:
Awesome, so yet another country the US is providing food too for free while we have people living on the streets and starving over here. Horray for misplaced charity. i heard this saying once from the movie water for elephants. anyone with half a brain can make a dollar, there are no job opportunities for them like we have here in NA. they need it more than you, since you can bust your balls and provide for yourself, these guys are already in camps that should never house a human being. the sad part is in the past the food was taken and sold to them instead of being given to them. its up to the kid to change this. change is good they say, lets hope its true this time! There are other sayings as well..one of them is "Fix the problems in your own backyard, before you go telling your neighbor how to fix his". Sorry, I am completely opposed to sending foreign countries when we have entire families living on the street wondering where their next meal is going to come from.
No offense, but the amount of food that is being sent is like less then 0.0001 percent the US produces.
Edit: See the guy above lol.
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See the guy above lol.
What did I say that's so funny? I don't really get why did you say that.
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i know a lot of people are against giving food to north korea, but honestly it's the people who suffer, not the government. food aid is necessary to save lives, whereas providing it also can make headway into disarmamaent negotiations. hopefully this will continue, and i for one am glad the new leader isn't too eager to prove himself militarily.
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the food aid might go to the military like usual.
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On March 02 2012 05:27 FallenStar wrote:What did I say that's so funny? I don't really get why did you say that.
I loll'ed because the guy above you basically told the same thing as I did.
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America does not have a problem with a lack of food. People starving to death is so incredibly rare in America and people ar eworried that we are giving food aid to a country that DOES have a huge problem with lack of food. Like are you kidding me?
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On March 02 2012 01:05 zalz wrote:
Also, national debt is a poor reason to stop foreign aid. Foreign aid is a powerful tool for the foreign policy of a country.
"Not having any money is a poor reason to stop giving people presents. Presents make people like you, whether you can actually afford the presents or not."
>_>
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more food for NK means less food for everyone else... I find it funny that the United States complains about welfare and "we cant feed our poor" yet they can ship 200,000 tonnes of food at the snap of a finger.
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this is a good step forward.
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On March 02 2012 08:16 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
more food for NK means less food for everyone else... I find it funny that the United States complains about welfare and "we cant feed our poor" yet they can ship 200,000 tonnes of food at the snap of a finger.
Even if the US did "complain" about that, it's not because of lack of food. Tens of millions of tons of food are just thrown out in the US every year.
200k is absolutely nothing... but hopefully it's noticeable for people in NK (if any of them even get it...)
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poor North Korea. I was expecting some grand trade...but in the end its so sad (good thing overall of course). We'll stop our advanced nuclear enrichment process...could you umm send us tons of food??
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If we follow Dekoth's theory, the whole world would still be living in shitty ages. He is pretty much saying since there are still people starving in the street, we should stop funding for these unnecessary science like space exploration, military research and the likes. Then we wouldn't have GPS, internet so to speak.
Truth be told, there are unlimited problems, even if no one is starving, you'd be looking at other stuff like good healthcare, educations for all, that is why you do things in parallel and adjust the funding accordingly.
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1) North Korea violates sanctions.
2) The US rewards them with food, hoping they will comply.
3) North Korea gives the food to their largest military in the world.
4) The North Korean people continue to starve.
5) The North Korean government continues to pursue nuclear weapons.
The US government goes ahead with it, knowing all of these facts. Because they want the PR and they know people like those in this thread will eat it up, so to speak.
But that's just me being an eternal cynic. Maybe this new leader really will take NK in a positive direction. But given their history, I doubt it.
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Guys Guys dont underestimate NK.
You People seem to forget... China and NK are buddies.
Put it this way. If NK was a push over? why hasnt america or SK attacked them and get it over with?
Thats because China supports NK. Maybe not like in a media sense.. but behind curtains ? BIG BUDDIES.
Look at it this way.. China is the main zerg base.. NK is the natural.
If u study the landmark of china.. ul notice.. china relations are good with their neighbouring countries.(Guard ur back door)
So there is no way in hell NK is underpowered. The reason u get NK and SK is because America seperated them.
America knew one day china will grow overpowered. So during the weak ages of china? america tried to weaken there "back doors"
But as time went by it didnt help much. So whats the best response to NK "CHINAS NATURAL"? BE NICE TO THEM BUT STAY CAUTIOUS. This isnt starcraft 2 man.. u cant just go sniping naturals.
Thats the way i see it
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new leadership, someone has to extend an olive branch.
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On March 02 2012 08:12 darkscream wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 01:05 zalz wrote:
Also, national debt is a poor reason to stop foreign aid. Foreign aid is a powerful tool for the foreign policy of a country. "Not having any money is a poor reason to stop giving people presents. Presents make people like you, whether you can actually afford the presents or not." >_>
But what if giving a present allows you to fire one of your 1000 security guards you pay for just in case the starving guy decides to make a scene? It's a win-win. Except for the security guard who has to find a more productive career and his employer who lost some of its business.
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I already like this new kid.
I hope its him anyway. The other guy I dont like so much.
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On March 01 2012 17:47 Quesadilla wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 17:34 TheBatman wrote:
Seems legit, they've kept their word in the past Lol. They're gonna eat and bake nukes right after. watch.
I would not be surprised, but it'd then ensure that nobody gives them aid again... or at least it should...
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I'm a little surprised this wasn't titled, "North Korea providing aid to US in dealing with growing obesity crisis"
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On March 01 2012 18:31 ninini wrote:
This is good news. Unfortunately for NK it's just a short-term solution to the food issue. Investing in large-scale fishing is what would save them, and they know it, but they also know that if they sent out 10% of the population into the sea, then most of them would take advantage of the situation and flee to Japan and South Korea.
This is untrue. The population in North Korea is constantly being told how they are the no. 1 country in the world.
According to the average North Korean citizen, they have won the world cups, has the best economy and that starvation of their degree(they eat grass even) is common amongst lower classes in the world.
North Korean Citizens has no idea of how poorly it is in their country. Some might try to leave the country, but most of them would think that is isn't worth to do so.
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On March 02 2012 09:23 brimestone wrote:
Guys Guys dont underestimate NK.
You People seem to forget... China and NK are buddies.
Put it this way. If NK was a push over? why hasnt america or SK attacked them and get it over with?
Thats because China supports NK. Maybe not like in a media sense.. but behind curtains ? BIG BUDDIES.
Look at it this way.. China is the main zerg base.. NK is the natural.
If u study the landmark of china.. ul notice.. china relations are good with their neighbouring countries.(Guard ur back door)
So there is no way in hell NK is underpowered. The reason u get NK and SK is because America seperated them.
America knew one day china will grow overpowered. So during the weak ages of china? america tried to weaken there "back doors"
But as time went by it didnt help much. So whats the best response to NK "CHINAS NATURAL"? BE NICE TO THEM BUT STAY CAUTIOUS. This isnt starcraft 2 man.. u cant just go sniping naturals.
Thats the way i see it
You need to take a political science class....China and NK's relationship can't be just simplified to "buddies". It's a lot more complicated than that. China and NK does have some form of alliance but NK depends on China while China does not depend on NK. However, NK has recently begun to even sway away from China, while wikileaks has told us sensitive information that China is starting to grow tired of NK games and want to slowly throw it away, but is also cautious because NK has nukes, and because NK still counts as a legit buffer zone from US.
Everyone KNOWS we couldn't finish off NK because China backed them during the Korean War. This is common knowledge.
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The Chinese see NK as more of a weird, crazy little pet than an ally. The average Chinese person doesn't have any more information on NK than we do!
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As a conservative, I'm very much hoping the act of what his father has done impacted him psychologically more than how his father taught him to live psychologically. Thus paving the end to this ridiculous hatred, one step at a time
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I want to be hopeful.
But realistically it's probably the same thing his father did.
Or just a blatant attempt to get love from the people and the world before going back to exactly how things were.
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On March 02 2012 19:29 Cinim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 18:31 ninini wrote:
This is good news. Unfortunately for NK it's just a short-term solution to the food issue. Investing in large-scale fishing is what would save them, and they know it, but they also know that if they sent out 10% of the population into the sea, then most of them would take advantage of the situation and flee to Japan and South Korea. This is untrue. The population in North Korea is constantly being told how they are the no. 1 country in the world. According to the average North Korean citizen, they have won the world cups, has the best economy and that starvation of their degree(they eat grass even) is common amongst lower classes in the world. North Korean Citizens has no idea of how poorly it is in their country. Some might try to leave the country, but most of them would think that is isn't worth to do so.
This.
It is hard to grasp just how isolated the North-Korean population is. I dare say that it is utterly impossible to grasp for us who are born in the internet age, the literal opposite of North-Korea.
Kind of like dictatorships. We can read and learn a lot about them, but it is very difficult to really get a feel for what it is like to live under one.
There is most certainly a part of North-Korean society that truly believes everything they hear.
I think the underclass probably understands that their situation isn't natural (eating grass and dirt to survive). They have it so bad, their instincts probably tell that it can't be like this everywhere.
The upperclass has contacts on the outside world and are trained to be the next generation to lead the party and/or military. They are probably shown what is behind the curtain, bought off with the promise of a life of luxury and far reaching power.
I think the middle-class, the ones that get fed just enough and actually have jobs, are the ones that are most likely to buy into the massive propaganda.
But even then, it is hard to grasp just what such a society will do to a persons mind. Constantly being bombarded with messages about your greatness.
There aren't just lies, most of everything that you hear are lies. How can you ever learn any different when literally 100% of your news is false. Not just twisted but outright false.
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On March 02 2012 00:48 3Form wrote:
Does anyone else find the North Korean philosophy of self sufficiency quite interesting? I mean in some of the propaganda pieces where western journalists are shown round the 'model' schools, they are full of computers which presumably are all produced domestically. Just think, they must reverse engineer all this stuff or come up with it themselves. Cars, computers, domestic appliances, communications, rockets etc etc. Remarkable really.
Intriguing philosophy, the complete opposite to globalisation. Of course it seems they aren't completely self sufficient...
Also not to mention that you go on google maps and there are no maps of NK. Takes you back a hundred years, before the likes of the Ordnance survey and GPS/Satellite maps. Zoom in on satellite images of Pyongyang and you see large deserted motorways...
I don't think this is true...I know Hyundai has products in NK and I think even factories..
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On March 02 2012 21:11 zalz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 19:29 Cinim wrote:On March 01 2012 18:31 ninini wrote:
This is good news. Unfortunately for NK it's just a short-term solution to the food issue. Investing in large-scale fishing is what would save them, and they know it, but they also know that if they sent out 10% of the population into the sea, then most of them would take advantage of the situation and flee to Japan and South Korea. This is untrue. The population in North Korea is constantly being told how they are the no. 1 country in the world. According to the average North Korean citizen, they have won the world cups, has the best economy and that starvation of their degree(they eat grass even) is common amongst lower classes in the world. North Korean Citizens has no idea of how poorly it is in their country. Some might try to leave the country, but most of them would think that is isn't worth to do so. This. It is hard to grasp just how isolated the North-Korean population is. I dare say that it is utterly impossible to grasp for us who are born in the internet age, the literal opposite of North-Korea. Kind of like dictatorships. We can read and learn a lot about them, but it is very difficult to really get a feel for what it is like to live under one. There is most certainly a part of North-Korean society that truly believes everything they hear. I think the underclass probably understands that their situation isn't natural (eating grass and dirt to survive). They have it so bad, their instincts probably tell that it can't be like this everywhere. The upperclass has contacts on the outside world and are trained to be the next generation to lead the party and/or military. They are probably shown what is behind the curtain, bought off with the promise of a life of luxury and far reaching power. I think the middle-class, the ones that get fed just enough and actually have jobs, are the ones that are most likely to buy into the massive propaganda. But even then, it is hard to grasp just what such a society will do to a persons mind. Constantly being bombarded with messages about your greatness. There aren't just lies, most of everything that you hear are lies. How can you ever learn any different when literally 100% of your news is false. Not just twisted but outright false.
Their people know quite a bit more than that. It is common enough for border hoppers to go back and forth between China smuggling in goods to sell and support their family on the down low back in NK. There is a large population of NK's in northeast china as well either trying to secretly live there as ethnic koreans or starting their trip on their own version of the underground railroad to countries that will grant them transport to SK.
There have even been video/pictures coming out of rebellious sayings painted underneath bridges and whatnot. The people in NK living in the pyongyang higher up areas are also watching the famous SK dramas on tv, SK companies have had factories over there, in the past NK has forced aid to come in un-marked boxes to disguise their origin but the people know enough. Information does/has gotten around enough. The fear level is the main weapon holding them there.... the thoughts of what happens to them or their families/relatives if caught. There are plenty enough brave NK's risking it all to be information bringers/defectors to combat the most fearful of the NK's who become the guarding watch dogs of the government.
While the aid may not be perfectly appropriated, I am glad that it is going there nonetheless. It may be to the surprise of many but there is a population in SK politics who hold anti-american sentiments and are proponents of opening deals and communication with NK that don't involve the US. The anti-american sentiments should not be confused with hatred towards the US but rather they oppose many of the american influences on their political situation with NK. At this moment in Korean politics it is appearing that the current ruling party will be conquered by the pro-NK conservative party in the next elections. SK has more political parties than purely conservative or liberal. NK has voiced many times that they want the SK government to cut ties with the US and stop being their puppet and some SK's think the same way, while others believe that their relations with the US are healthy for the advancement of their nation. Judging by the recent news of a FTA between SK and the US, it appears they don't have any imminent plans on a drastic policy change towards the US.
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Wow! really amazing to see since Kim Jong Ill was just a nut job. A guy that actually cares about his people is exactly what north korea needs.
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On March 02 2012 09:03 furymonkey wrote:
If we follow Dekoth's theory, the whole world would still be living in shitty ages. He is pretty much saying since there are still people starving in the street, we should stop funding for these unnecessary science like space exploration, military research and the likes. Then we wouldn't have GPS, internet so to speak.
Truth be told, there are unlimited problems, even if no one is starving, you'd be looking at other stuff like good healthcare, educations for all, that is why you do things in parallel and adjust the funding accordingly.
Actually that isn't what I said or implied. I simply stated that I am against helping other countries when we have problems of our own. But good job making wild assumptions and looking like an ass.
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On March 01 2012 21:22 GhostOwl wrote:
This is dumb. We shouldnt give food to NK. They'll just resume production after.
This might also be the new leader trying to gain the support of the people and seal his place at the top.
Additionally, the more food we give them, the less of their own money they have to spend on food production / importing food, and more money left for them to spend on military or further progress on nuclear weapons...
so we should let people die b/c they have crappy leaders? Its not their fault, and giving the people food wont make them a bigger risk anyway.
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On March 02 2012 19:04 zeru wrote:
Are people forgetting: In '94 Carter started the deal with NK that would give them food in trade for halting the plutonium related nuclear programs (much more dangerous than uranium, NK was still allowed to play around with the uranion according to this deal). The north koreans kept their end of the deal. Kim Jong Il came to power, the deal was still on, even though he was a horrible leader. Then Bush came into power, and in short; fucked everything up, threatening and insulting NK and not keeping the deal going. That pushed NK into starting their plutonium programs again.
Saying NK arent gonna hold up their end of the deal is pretty silly.
That's such a weird way of thinking though. "Give us food or we'll proceed to research the more dangerous nukes, and not only the regular ones".
What happened to not make deals with terrorists?
I don't understand why NK would ever nuke someone anyway. They have absolutely nothing to gain from it.
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And are you actually naive enough to think the food will merely be distributed to the population?
As others have already said, what is to stop the leaders of the country from selling the food to the people, ensuring that more people die, or even worst, what is to stop them from keeping all the food for themselves?
A lot of posts here sound like wishful thinking towards the NK situation, we have no guarantee that the new leader of NK isn't as much of a tyrannical leader as his father. All we have is, blind hope.
You people almost sound like you don't know in what world you are living in, tragedy is the main theme here, miracles don't come unless its for the right price.
As for me, I'll resume judgment upon NK until 5-10 years to see how their leader truly turns out. Until then this is pointless speculation.
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You seem to be the naive one if you think NK's future only depends on their new leader.
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The food is a bargaining chip in the hopes that it will lead to instability and/or unification. The fear the US has is that they will SELL nuclear technology to people shit bat crazy enough to use it in the name of let's say.....religion.
The problem is that the country responsible for stabilizing the region is China and they don't give a shit about anyone besides China. But THEY might take aggressive action against us just because we're too close to them.
sigh....wait and see
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WOW. If this word is kept, this is huge. Crossing my fingers here so I don't jinx it...
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Only turn to hope now....
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This is going to last them until their next nuclear test.
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Let mi give a huge and warm LOL to all posters in this thread who argue that US is too poor to give food to NK. You people are really pathetic. Even a guy living on the street in the US and eating out of dumpsters has a higher standart of living than an average North Korean. The fact that you cannot afford to have a 5-room house and 4 cars per family does not meen that you are poor.
We are talking about people dying from hunger here!
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If North Korea is being honest with us, this is a very smart deal, and will hopefully foster peace and friendship with a nation that has historically been extremely antagonistic. If they aren't being honest, at least we'll know it soon enough and will be able to plan accordingly.
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A step forward, nonetheless I would say
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On March 03 2012 02:48 opisska wrote:
Let mi give a huge and warm LOL to all posters in this thread who argue that US is too poor to give food to NK. You people are really pathetic. Even a guy living on the street in the US and eating out of dumpsters has a higher standart of living than an average North Korean. The fact that you cannot afford to have a 5-room house and 4 cars per family does not meen that you are poor.
We are talking about people dying from hunger here!
Another perspective: 240,000 tons of food costs about the same as one day of war in Afghanistan - in other words it's chump change if it helps reducing the threat of war.
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Maybe this guy could be the savior of his people instead of following in his fathers footsteps. Highly unlikely but maybe just maybe. US and UN should try to reward him for doing this as much as possible, maybe he will realize it's much better to be on friendly terms than to have an "all against me" mentality.
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seeing as they need the food, doubt anything will be reported inside n korea.
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On March 03 2012 03:08 DwD wrote:
Maybe this guy could be the savior of his people instead of following in his fathers footsteps. Highly unlikely but maybe just maybe. US and UN should try to reward him for doing this as much as possible, maybe he will realize it's much better to be on friendly terms than to have an "all against me" mentality.
I doubt he has that much power to be honest. His fathers counselors probably hold a lot of power at the moment. Just speculating of course, but the news reports said that his fathers death was quite untimely, and that there hadn't been enough time to establish kim jong un as a god or whatever. Presumably he hasn't been too prepared much for the office.
That's not necessarily a bad thing though. After all, these people are probably the most educated and well informed people in the country.
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I really hope this holds and we can be on good terms with North Korea. It would go a long way towards relations with Russia and China. If North Korea would stop rocking the boat then the world powers would get to stop picking sides and arguing about who is right and wrong.
Please be good, North Korea. Save me some stress in my life. Thanks.
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I could see the food getting spun off as "The great leader has brought food because he cares for his people!" I think the sad thing is they would all believe it too.
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