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On February 20 2012 04:20 Vorenius wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:17 Alizee- wrote:On February 20 2012 04:14 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 04:10 Alizee- wrote:On February 20 2012 03:59 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 03:57 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:48 Ercster wrote:On February 20 2012 03:46 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:41 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Pretty biased poll imo. But ya i prefer we have no guns in society for anyone. How is the poll biased? No intelligent person would dare add an anti-gun rights option the poll, it would absurd. Just as no intelligent person would add a poll option like "kill all the Jews," in a poll about "how to make the world a better place." It's only absurd because it's unrealistic. And because taking away people's freedom isn't going to solve anything. "There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during 2000." "with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths." It would have made this non-existent. Suicide is a bigger killer(it makes the top ten year in and year out)than homocide. Ban suicide? If people wanna kill themselves there are a lot of ways to do it. Guns won't change this. Also the whole talk about armor piercing is bigger LOL because its a media hyped term that is incredibly vague. Armor piercing implies it defeats armor. What kind of armor? 9mm ball will defeat soft armor and its just regular ball ammo. 5.56x45 and 7.62x49 will defeat IIIA, III, and IV body armor certifications. With just regular FMJ mind you. .50BMG can defeat nearly 1'' thick steel plate. Then you have steel core vs only lead, so on and so forth. There really is no such thing as "armor piercing" as its very vague. If you don't understand what I'm referring to, there's a lot of information out there, but basically lots of regular FMJ ammunition can defeat several types of armor thus making them "armor piercing". BE AFRAID! Well actually suicide isn't allowed in the United States. If you attempt suicide and get caught, you will be put into a mental institution, even if you don't want to go. My point was a bit facetious, the point being that even if you legislate everything in existence, you still can't stop everything. Passing a law doesn't make the world sunshine and rainbows. Laws supply restriction and consequences, if someone is going to kill themselves..I don't think they're too worried about the consequences and to a lesser extent the same applies to a murderer. So let's legalize murder? In fact why have any laws at all. They obviously don't work since people are killing, raping, stealing, robbing, etc anyway.
Because everyone who owns a gun is automatically a murdering serial rapist and everyone who doesn't own a gun is automatically a peace-loving tax payer who never does anything wrong...
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Something needs to be mentioned.
People are fucking cowards. You say "People will still kill no matter what" all you want. However, there are less people out there who have the balls to stab someone to death than there are those who will grab a 9mm and shoot someone down. A gun impersonalizes the killing of someone. You press a strip of metal and they are dead from a distance away. A lot of people can't handle fighting someone or stabbing them. So saying that "people will still kill, even without guns so let's keep them so we can defend ourselves" is very fallacious for that reason alone. Because most people, criminals and non-criminals alike, could not grab a knife and kill someone with it like they could grab a gun and shoot someone with it.
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It all makes sense now, make everything illegal and the world will be perfect. Gosh I didn't realize the answers were so simple!
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On February 20 2012 04:10 Alizee- wrote:
Suicide is a bigger killer(it makes the top ten year in and year out)than homocide. Ban suicide? If people wanna kill themselves there are a lot of ways to do it. Guns won't change this.
Actually that's wrong. Lets say your down and you're thinking about killing yourself. Now think, what's easier, kill yourself with a gun or stab yourself with a knife? With the gun you you simple pull the trigger and it's over, with a knife you have to shove it inside yourself with all the pain and possibility for failure that entails. The mental barrier for killing yourself with a knife for example is just a lot bigger than with a gun. As the gun is so easy, it's more likely you would be able to actually kill yourself without getting to think it through properly.
Fact is, people usually don't want to kill themselves, but if something really bad happened and their feeling very depressed they see it as an easy solution in the moment. However if they got perhaps on hour more to think it through, that time being given by having to chose to actually stab themselves, they would usually reach a different conclusion.
The same argument can be used to explain high homicide rates, as it is again a much smaller mental barrier to kill with a gun than most other methods, and thus you get a lot more killings done that they wouldn't have done if they had more time to think it through.
It's this close minded thinking that you just presented that keeps the murder/suicide rates in USA much higher than most comparable countries. I don't know if it's just me, but dropping some of the American culture (the gun culture) to save a lot of lives every year sounds like it's worth it. Also no culture is perfect, and when a part of a culture causes so much damage as the American gun culture it should be considered a flaw in the culture and thus be dealt with.
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You can also consider killing a freedom, but we forbid that since it's rather stupid having people going around killing each other without any consequences. You know, one of the big advantages of living in a society is that it gives us certain restrictions which makes us work a lot better together, reducing the amount of guns would as mentioned above make us work better together and thus we should restrict it.
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On February 20 2012 04:19 Yongwang wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:17 Akta wrote:On February 20 2012 03:46 Yongwang wrote:On February 20 2012 03:41 mrRoflpwn wrote:
Pretty biased poll imo. But ya i prefer we have no guns in society for anyone. How is the poll biased? No intelligent person would dare add an anti-gun rights option the poll, it would absurd. Just as no intelligent person would add a poll option like "kill all the Jews," in a poll about "how to make the world a better place." Any special reason for indirectly calling people hippies/retarded/socialists/other things you feel are insulting instead of taking responsibility for what you are actually trying to communicate? When did I call anyone retarded? I was merely pointing out that it would be ridiculous to put that as a poll option. No
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On February 20 2012 04:28 Candadar wrote:
Something needs to be mentioned.
People are fucking cowards. You say "People will still kill no matter what" all you want. However, there are less people out there who have the balls to stab someone to death than there are those who will grab a 9mm and shoot someone down. A gun impersonalizes the killing of someone. You press a strip of metal and they are dead from a distance away. A lot of people can't handle fighting someone or stabbing them. So saying that "people will still kill, even without guns so let's keep them so we can defend ourselves" is very fallacious for that reason alone. Because most people, criminals and non-criminals alike, could not grab a knife and kill someone with it like they could grab a gun and shoot someone with it.
Something also needs to be mentioned...
That is the exact point of guns, they are the ultimate equalizer. I could be a 120 pound nerd, but still be able to defend myself against someone twice my size. This is the point of having a gun for self defense. Whether being able to have firearms is legal or not, the purpose of a gun is to put everyone on an equal playing field.
Saying that it is cowardly is, in my opinion, dumb. I guarantee that if some 250 pound thug who fights people on a regular basis got you in a dark alley and beat the crap out of you, you would not have the same opinion about it being cowardly to shoot him to protect yourself. Pulling a knife on someone like that would not work, whether you had balls or not.
That is... assuming you are not a 250 pound thug 
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On February 20 2012 04:14 LastK wrote:
Why doesn't US allow every country in the world having nuclear weapons? These countries need to have a way to defend themselves in case the U.. tries to conquer the world right?
Thats absurd, we won't try to conquer the world. Because then we would have to take care of your sorry asses. And most of us don't even wanna take care of the sorry ass Americans who think they deserve hand outs. Much less the rest of you...
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On February 20 2012 04:37 dannystarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:28 Candadar wrote:
Something needs to be mentioned.
People are fucking cowards. You say "People will still kill no matter what" all you want. However, there are less people out there who have the balls to stab someone to death than there are those who will grab a 9mm and shoot someone down. A gun impersonalizes the killing of someone. You press a strip of metal and they are dead from a distance away. A lot of people can't handle fighting someone or stabbing them. So saying that "people will still kill, even without guns so let's keep them so we can defend ourselves" is very fallacious for that reason alone. Because most people, criminals and non-criminals alike, could not grab a knife and kill someone with it like they could grab a gun and shoot someone with it. That is... assuming you are not a 250 pound thug
Heh ^^
Also, in terms of nuclear weapons since we're going there, no one should have them. No one.
Thank fuck for the S.M.A.R.T. treaty.
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On February 20 2012 04:37 dannystarcraft wrote:
That is the exact point of guns, they are the ultimate equalizer. I could be a 120 pound nerd, but still be able to defend myself against someone twice my size. This is the point of having a gun for self defense. Whether being able to have firearms is legal or not, the purpose of a gun is to put everyone on an equal playing field.
far west fantasy
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On February 20 2012 04:37 dannystarcraft wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:28 Candadar wrote:
Something needs to be mentioned.
People are fucking cowards. You say "People will still kill no matter what" all you want. However, there are less people out there who have the balls to stab someone to death than there are those who will grab a 9mm and shoot someone down. A gun impersonalizes the killing of someone. You press a strip of metal and they are dead from a distance away. A lot of people can't handle fighting someone or stabbing them. So saying that "people will still kill, even without guns so let's keep them so we can defend ourselves" is very fallacious for that reason alone. Because most people, criminals and non-criminals alike, could not grab a knife and kill someone with it like they could grab a gun and shoot someone with it. Something also needs to be mentioned... That is the exact point of guns, they are the ultimate equalizer. I could be a 120 pound nerd, but still be able to defend myself against someone twice my size. This is the point of having a gun for self defense. Whether being able to have firearms is legal or not, the purpose of a gun is to put everyone on an equal playing field. Saying that it is cowardly is, in my opinion, dumb. I guarantee that if some 250 pound thug who fights people on a regular basis got you in a dark alley and beat the crap out of you, you would not have the same opinion about it being cowardly to shoot him to protect yourself. Pulling a knife on someone like that would not work, whether you had balls or not. That is... assuming you are not a 250 pound thug
If you're a 120 pound nerd, why are you outside of your house?
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On February 20 2012 04:51 Ercster wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:37 dannystarcraft wrote:On February 20 2012 04:28 Candadar wrote:
Something needs to be mentioned.
People are fucking cowards. You say "People will still kill no matter what" all you want. However, there are less people out there who have the balls to stab someone to death than there are those who will grab a 9mm and shoot someone down. A gun impersonalizes the killing of someone. You press a strip of metal and they are dead from a distance away. A lot of people can't handle fighting someone or stabbing them. So saying that "people will still kill, even without guns so let's keep them so we can defend ourselves" is very fallacious for that reason alone. Because most people, criminals and non-criminals alike, could not grab a knife and kill someone with it like they could grab a gun and shoot someone with it. Something also needs to be mentioned... That is the exact point of guns, they are the ultimate equalizer. I could be a 120 pound nerd, but still be able to defend myself against someone twice my size. This is the point of having a gun for self defense. Whether being able to have firearms is legal or not, the purpose of a gun is to put everyone on an equal playing field. Saying that it is cowardly is, in my opinion, dumb. I guarantee that if some 250 pound thug who fights people on a regular basis got you in a dark alley and beat the crap out of you, you would not have the same opinion about it being cowardly to shoot him to protect yourself. Pulling a knife on someone like that would not work, whether you had balls or not. That is... assuming you are not a 250 pound thug If you're a 120 pound nerd, why are you outside of your house?
Good point. I have no answer to that! ^^
On February 20 2012 04:48 DOUDOU wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:37 dannystarcraft wrote:
That is the exact point of guns, they are the ultimate equalizer. I could be a 120 pound nerd, but still be able to defend myself against someone twice my size. This is the point of having a gun for self defense. Whether being able to have firearms is legal or not, the purpose of a gun is to put everyone on an equal playing field. far west fantasy
I suppose in a way it is. Ever seen an old western film by the name The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence?
It is an eerily similar situation...
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I own a couple, and still think it's a bad idea. Hell I think we should have stricter gun control laws in some states. I wish in US politics there were other options between "ban them all" and "guns for toddlers." Some people I saw at the range the other day... shudder.
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On February 20 2012 04:51 Ercster wrote:
If you're a 120 pound nerd, why are you outside of your house?
On the subject of freedom...
Think that this restriction would have had a destructive effect on our universities as many of the people studying once were a 120 pound nerd, just to mention one thing. Not that I expect somebody of your mental capability to care.
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On February 20 2012 04:55 Lekebil wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:51 Ercster wrote:
If you're a 120 pound nerd, why are you outside of your house? On the subject of freedom... Think that this restriction would have had a destructive effect on our universities as many of the people studying once were a 120 pound nerd, just to mention one thing. Not that I expect somebody of your mental capability to care.
The joke
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Your head.
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On February 20 2012 04:55 Lekebil wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:51 Ercster wrote:
If you're a 120 pound nerd, why are you outside of your house? On the subject of freedom... Think that this restriction would have had a destructive effect on our universities as many of the people studying once were a 120 pound nerd, just to mention one thing. Not that I expect somebody of your mental capability to care.
It was a joke. The fact that you couldn't see that is astounding. Also, if I'm not mistaken, guns aren't permitted on school campuses. This completely nullifies your argument. So maybe before you throw out baseless insults, you should probably read up on the subject you're discussing.
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On February 20 2012 04:55 leperphilliac wrote:
I own a couple, and still think it's a bad idea. Hell I think we should have stricter gun control laws in some states. I wish in US politics there were other options between "ban them all" and "guns for toddlers." Some people I saw at the range the other day... shudder.
And some people the way they drive...and some people the way they don't hold the door...and some people the way they drink...and some people the way...and..and..and...you're treading down a slippery slope. Freedom goes hand in hand with responsibility, but legislation intelligence and common sense isn't doable. Your thought process is understandable, but when you expand it beyond guns you quickly realize how muddy things can get when you go down that path.
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On February 20 2012 05:05 Alizee- wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 04:55 leperphilliac wrote:
I own a couple, and still think it's a bad idea. Hell I think we should have stricter gun control laws in some states. I wish in US politics there were other options between "ban them all" and "guns for toddlers." Some people I saw at the range the other day... shudder. And some people the way they drive...and some people the way they don't hold the door...and some people the way they drink...and some people the way...and..and..and...you're treading down a slippery slope. Freedom goes hand in hand with responsibility, but legislation intelligence and common sense isn't doable. Your thought process is understandable, but when you expand it beyond guns you quickly realize how muddy things can get when you go down that path.
Except were not talking about drinking.
We're talking about lethal weapons. Whose only intention at conception was to kill.
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Ex convicts should have all the rights citizens have. They've paid their debt with society.
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Sorry, after reading so many stupid things throughout this article you kind of don't know what's a joke and what isn't. Anyway my opinion is better explained in my other post. Click to scroll.
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On February 20 2012 05:06 Candadar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 05:05 Alizee- wrote:On February 20 2012 04:55 leperphilliac wrote:
I own a couple, and still think it's a bad idea. Hell I think we should have stricter gun control laws in some states. I wish in US politics there were other options between "ban them all" and "guns for toddlers." Some people I saw at the range the other day... shudder. And some people the way they drive...and some people the way they don't hold the door...and some people the way they drink...and some people the way...and..and..and...you're treading down a slippery slope. Freedom goes hand in hand with responsibility, but legislation intelligence and common sense isn't doable. Your thought process is understandable, but when you expand it beyond guns you quickly realize how muddy things can get when you go down that path. Except were not talking about drinking. We're talking about lethal weapons. Whose only intention at conception was to kill.
OH, and don't forget about causing severe pain, they were also meant to do that.
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