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Currently ex-convicts cannot legally own or concealed/open carry a firearm. Many people view this law as unjust, seeing as how the criminal payed their debt to society, and they should receive their civil rights back upon being released. Others say that criminals don't deserve civil rights, even ones protected by the Constitution. What are your thoughts on this, should an ex-convict be able to own and purchase a firearm? And should that ex-convict be allowed to concealed and/or open carry that firearm? Or should ex-cons not be allowed the same civil rights as law abiding citizens?
I'm a huge supporter of gun rights and civil liberties. Personally I wouldn't necessarily be against allowing non-violent ex-convicts, such as jay walkers and internet pirates, to own and carry. However violent criminals, such as rapists, murders, burglars, and others would of course not be allowed to own and carry, or at least not until around 15 years after they were set out of prison and even then only if they have a perfect record during that time.
Poll: What are your thoughts on ex-convicts owning and carrying guns?Non-violent ex-cons should be allowed to own and carry guns (149) 37% Only law abiding citizens (not ex-cons) should be allowed to own and carry (135) 34% Ex-cons should be allowed to own and carry on a case-by-case basis (67) 17% All ex-convicts should be allowed to own and carry guns (48) 12% 399 total votes Your vote: What are your thoughts on ex-convicts owning and carrying guns? (Vote): All ex-convicts should be allowed to own and carry guns
(Vote): Non-violent ex-cons should be allowed to own and carry guns
(Vote): Ex-cons should be allowed to own and carry on a case-by-case basis
(Vote): Only law abiding citizens (not ex-cons) should be allowed to own and carry
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What an obvious answer.
Yes, lets just give a gun to the guy who massacared 20 people in Tuscon.
No, "Non-violent ex-cons should be allowed to own and carry guns" will be the winning vote.
Also I would like to point out that no one should be allowed to carry guns, as I have no criminal background yet I could go out, buy a gun and kill 50 people for no reason.
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I want a no1 should be allowed to carry guns option.
But that's not what the thread is about I guess.
So in that case non-voilent ex-cons should be allowed to carry them.
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Is this issue coming up again in the public? I believe it was mentioned during the Republican debates at one point, but most people didn't really care since there are more pressing issues.
Non-violent = ok is my vote.
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Unless psychotic, i don't see why they shouldn't be allowed a gun to protect themselves against their generally armed and "them neighbours be robbers"-paranoid neighbours.
Applies only for countries where the general populace is armed, of course.
From the question alone i gathered you'd be on the US side of things?
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No one should be allowed to carry guns, except police and such
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there's no reason for most people to own a gun
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Where is the... non should be allowed to carry guns ?
But as far as your question goes, yes they should, if you want everyone to have the right to carry a gun than EVERYONE should be able to carry a gun, ex convicts are equal with you once they are out of prison so they should have the same rights as you do.
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I completely agree with zeru, nobody besides certain government bodys should be allowed to be in the possession of firearms.
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Ex-cons cant vote either. I dont see anyone lining up to change that. Why would we change this?
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On February 20 2012 01:07 Aterons_toss wrote:
Where is the... non should be allowed to carry guns ?
But as far as your question goes, yes they should, if you want everyone to have the right to carry a gun than EVERYONE should be able to carry a gun, ex convicts are equal with you once they are out of prison so they should have the same rights as you do.
My thoughts exactly.
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On February 20 2012 01:06 zeru wrote:
No one should be allowed to carry guns, except police and such
hell, in UK most police officer don't need firearms
then again, it's probably not applicable in every country
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I think a more important question would be - what would preventing (violent) ex-cons weapons do? If they've broken the law and gotten sentenced for it, chances are they're one of two types of people - either, they don't much care about state or federal law, or they're normally law-abiding and the act they were sentenced for was a consequence of an extreme situation. The first group of people wouldn't really care if guns are legal or not and would get firearms anyways, and the second group wouldn't go out of their way to abuse the weapon anyhow. By outlawing guns for ex-cons, you'd basically do nothing to change things.
Actually, what you would do, would be to remove taxation and police / government control over ex-con weapon usage. If an ex-con would buy a weapon and later perform a crime with a weapon, there'd at least be a paper trail to follow. If the gun was illegal, there's nothing to go on. Sure, I imagine there's ex-cons who are smart enough to realise the paper trail a legal gun would give, but I imagine there's also enough stupid people.
In effect, outlawing guns for ex-cons wouldn't really do anything. While I ideologically disagree with the personal ownage and usage of firearms in all forms, pragmatically the US (which I imaigne we're disscussing) is already too far gone to revert any kind of public gun ownership culture. Getting laws such as this, in the US, which would not really be enforcable and wouldn't really do anything, would be silly.
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There's no way that this isn't going to deteriorate into the standard tl gun control flamefest.
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On February 20 2012 01:13 Paulio wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 01:07 Aterons_toss wrote:
Where is the... non should be allowed to carry guns ?
But as far as your question goes, yes they should, if you want everyone to have the right to carry a gun than EVERYONE should be able to carry a gun, ex convicts are equal with you once they are out of prison so they should have the same rights as you do. My thoughts exactly.
Idealistic but not realistic.
Ex-convincts don't have the same rights as others at all that is wishful thinking. Nor should they. Think of jobs in security or banking, sex offenders working with children, and if you can be bothered you can probably find hundreds of other legitimate examples. There is no reason why ex-convicts should per definition have the same rights as others, and they definitely shouldn't have the same rights regarding guns.
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The easy and only possible answer should be "noone should be allowed to carry guns," As only then can we auctally have a peaceful society.
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On February 20 2012 01:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:There is no reason why ex-convicts should per definition have the same rights as others
so what you are saying is, the carceral system doesn't work
if ex convicts are forever doomed to a outlaw life, and don't have any rights, why not just directly hang them all?
how about using them as slaves? there's no way an ex convict would try to make a life anyway
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In belgium 40 % of the ex cons get back in jail within the 2 years.
I don't know if the numbers are the same in the US. But I guess it's even worse (I've been to the US several times).
But if the system declares someone to be ready to join back into normal life they should get the same rights as everyone, unless they are released on conditions for a certain perdiod of time.
Everyone can buy a gun in the US at the age of 16. Do you think everyone at the age of 16 is rational enough to use their gun wisely? Death by gun statistics in the US are way to high, but guns are still for sale to almost everyone.
To change:
Don't sell guns so easely.
Follow excons true their jail time and even after so they get a real chance at rejoining normal life.
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I think you are a bit confused here, or you just mis-worded your OP. There is nothing stopping ex-cons from owning firearms. An ex-con can be anyone who is convicted of speeding, jay-walking, or other minors offenses and just pay the fine. It's felons who cannot own, purchase, posses firearms, or vote for that matter. Felonies are serious crimes whether they are non-violent or not. Hence why these people no longer have some of their rights.
There is nothing wrong with someone whos been convicted of a crime owning a gun. As with all people, as long as they observe the proper precautions and self control there is nothing to worry about. Guns are just tools, its the "craftsmen" you need to worry about.
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On February 20 2012 01:31 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 01:13 Paulio wrote:On February 20 2012 01:07 Aterons_toss wrote:
Where is the... non should be allowed to carry guns ?
But as far as your question goes, yes they should, if you want everyone to have the right to carry a gun than EVERYONE should be able to carry a gun, ex convicts are equal with you once they are out of prison so they should have the same rights as you do. My thoughts exactly. Idealistic but not realistic. Ex-convincts don't have the same rights as others at all that is wishful thinking. Nor should they. Think of jobs in security or banking, sex offenders working with children, and if you can be bothered you can probably find hundreds of other legitimate examples. There is no reason why ex-convicts should per definition have the same rights as others, and they definitely shouldn't have the same rights regarding guns. But isn't grouping all "ex convicts" together too generalizing for things like these(and the ones you mentioned) anyway.
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