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InfernoStarcraft
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia136 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 15:17:09
February 20 2012 15:15 GMT
#241
On February 20 2012 22:50 love4every1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 03:58 RodrigoX wrote:
How about we get an actual system that rehabilities criminals and not just make them worse?


This. This more than anything else.

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On February 20 2012 03:30 CajunMan wrote:

On February 20 2012 01:38 masterbreti wrote:
The easy and only possible answer should be "noone should be allowed to carry guns," As only then can we auctally have a peaceful society.


Actually the cities that force each household to own a gun have the lowest crime rate in almost every category. Compare cities like Kennesaw, Georgia and Washington D.C its not even close.


!!! I'm actually FROM Kennesaw!! Hahaha. I completely that we had a law requiring every household to own a gun, which is what I assume you are talking about. It's mostly just a middle finger to the D.C. law though, you'll never, ever get arrested for it.

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On February 20 2012 02:18 Candadar wrote:
The most common argument by pro-gun activists is that, if you're walking along and someone starts waving a gun around your family, you would hope that you have a gun too to take him down. Let me tell you this:

If someone is waving a gun around you or your family, you're not wishing you had a gun so much that they DIDNT have a gun.


It took me a while to think of why this argument didn't make sense, but I finally got it.

1) If you argue it from you're perspective, the same thing could be said about the man waving the gun: he's definitely wishing that you don't have a gun. And more importantly,

2) That's true that your first wish should be that he doesn't have a gun, but you can't change that fact. The only thing you have under your control in this situation is whether you have a gun or not. In this case, most people would want the gun.


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On February 20 2012 02:59 Candadar wrote:
On February 20 2012 03:00 llKenZyll wrote:
On February 20 2012 02:53 Vorgrim wrote:
I'm glad nobody is allowed to freely carry an armed weapon in my country. Going hunting? Sure, not for going to the store.

Well you cant just walk around with a gun in the USA either....


Yes, yes you can. If you got a permit, you can walk around with a gun in your waistband or an automatic weapon in your trunk if you so wish, completely legally.


I'm going to assume you mean fully automatic, and that's not really true. You can only own fully automatic weapons after an insanely specific set of rules and regulations have been met, and the guns are just as insanely expensive. Not to mention they have to be made prior to 1986, and you're not really allowed to just tote them around. You can take them to a shooting range though.

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On February 20 2012 03:53 DOUDOU wrote:
in this thread, americans vs the world

awe america, you're at it again

so you call us freedom haters for not wanting to let every instable fat ass own assault weapons but you're always on the top when it comes to restrict any rights and privacy to anyone that stole chewing gums 10 years ago, just so that they really don't have even the slightest chance to live a straight life in the future

give guns to everyone, make sure the outlaws keep stealing, raping, killing
seems very logical if you want to cause chaos, might happen very quickly in a recessive economy


I agree with warning/banning that guy who was just calling everybody lefty communists who didn't agree with him, but isn't this a little silly?

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On February 20 2012 04:28 Candadar wrote:
Something needs to be mentioned.

People are fucking cowards. You say "People will still kill no matter what" all you want. However, there are less people out there who have the balls to stab someone to death than there are those who will grab a 9mm and shoot someone down. A gun impersonalizes the killing of someone. You press a strip of metal and they are dead from a distance away. A lot of people can't handle fighting someone or stabbing them. So saying that "people will still kill, even without guns so let's keep them so we can defend ourselves" is very fallacious for that reason alone. Because most people, criminals and non-criminals alike, could not grab a knife and kill someone with it like they could grab a gun and shoot someone with it.


I don't think you or I are qualified to talk about this, since neither of us have attempted to kill someone (I hope). That being said, I would think if anybody would be able to kill someone with a knife, I'd pick the felon over the victim.

Also, you are very angry. <3


Yes, the argument that removes the factor of guns being waved around in this street walking scenario is the one that makes no sense.

Suppose you have a point, the random with a gun is wishing you don't have a gun, then both sides have a similar understanding, and removing guns would solve that problem.

Also "there's nothing you can do, he has a gun", well not if there are no guns.

edit: decided the lmgtfy link lacked enough humor
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love4every1
Profile Joined September 2011
United States37 Posts
February 20 2012 17:36 GMT
#242
On February 21 2012 00:15 InfernoStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2012 22:50 love4every1 wrote:
On February 20 2012 03:58 RodrigoX wrote:
How about we get an actual system that rehabilities criminals and not just make them worse?


This. This more than anything else.

On February 20 2012 03:30 CajunMan wrote:

On February 20 2012 01:38 masterbreti wrote:
The easy and only possible answer should be "noone should be allowed to carry guns," As only then can we auctally have a peaceful society.


Actually the cities that force each household to own a gun have the lowest crime rate in almost every category. Compare cities like Kennesaw, Georgia and Washington D.C its not even close.


!!! I'm actually FROM Kennesaw!! Hahaha. I completely that we had a law requiring every household to own a gun, which is what I assume you are talking about. It's mostly just a middle finger to the D.C. law though, you'll never, ever get arrested for it.

On February 20 2012 02:18 Candadar wrote:
The most common argument by pro-gun activists is that, if you're walking along and someone starts waving a gun around your family, you would hope that you have a gun too to take him down. Let me tell you this:

If someone is waving a gun around you or your family, you're not wishing you had a gun so much that they DIDNT have a gun.


It took me a while to think of why this argument didn't make sense, but I finally got it.

1) If you argue it from you're perspective, the same thing could be said about the man waving the gun: he's definitely wishing that you don't have a gun. And more importantly,

2) That's true that your first wish should be that he doesn't have a gun, but you can't change that fact. The only thing you have under your control in this situation is whether you have a gun or not. In this case, most people would want the gun.


On February 20 2012 02:59 Candadar wrote:
On February 20 2012 03:00 llKenZyll wrote:
On February 20 2012 02:53 Vorgrim wrote:
I'm glad nobody is allowed to freely carry an armed weapon in my country. Going hunting? Sure, not for going to the store.

Well you cant just walk around with a gun in the USA either....


Yes, yes you can. If you got a permit, you can walk around with a gun in your waistband or an automatic weapon in your trunk if you so wish, completely legally.


I'm going to assume you mean fully automatic, and that's not really true. You can only own fully automatic weapons after an insanely specific set of rules and regulations have been met, and the guns are just as insanely expensive. Not to mention they have to be made prior to 1986, and you're not really allowed to just tote them around. You can take them to a shooting range though.

On February 20 2012 03:53 DOUDOU wrote:
in this thread, americans vs the world

awe america, you're at it again

so you call us freedom haters for not wanting to let every instable fat ass own assault weapons but you're always on the top when it comes to restrict any rights and privacy to anyone that stole chewing gums 10 years ago, just so that they really don't have even the slightest chance to live a straight life in the future

give guns to everyone, make sure the outlaws keep stealing, raping, killing
seems very logical if you want to cause chaos, might happen very quickly in a recessive economy


I agree with warning/banning that guy who was just calling everybody lefty communists who didn't agree with him, but isn't this a little silly?

On February 20 2012 04:28 Candadar wrote:
Something needs to be mentioned.

People are fucking cowards. You say "People will still kill no matter what" all you want. However, there are less people out there who have the balls to stab someone to death than there are those who will grab a 9mm and shoot someone down. A gun impersonalizes the killing of someone. You press a strip of metal and they are dead from a distance away. A lot of people can't handle fighting someone or stabbing them. So saying that "people will still kill, even without guns so let's keep them so we can defend ourselves" is very fallacious for that reason alone. Because most people, criminals and non-criminals alike, could not grab a knife and kill someone with it like they could grab a gun and shoot someone with it.


I don't think you or I are qualified to talk about this, since neither of us have attempted to kill someone (I hope). That being said, I would think if anybody would be able to kill someone with a knife, I'd pick the felon over the victim.

Also, you are very angry. <3


Yes, the argument that removes the factor of guns being waved around in this street walking scenario is the one that makes no sense.

Suppose you have a point, the random with a gun is wishing you don't have a gun, then both sides have a similar understanding, and removing guns would solve that problem.

Also "there's nothing you can do, he has a gun", well not if there are no guns.

edit: decided the lmgtfy link lacked enough humor


I was talking about the scenario presented in his argument; assuming there are no guns, there isn't a scenario haha. THEN AGAIN....

Guns have been invented. Obviously. Given that fact, there are always guns in the world. Double Obviously. Make it illegal to have guns, then you go to the old argument "only criminals have guns." Which means in this world there is always an opportunity for the gun scenario to exist (albeit a very, very small one lol). Which I hate saying because I feel it's one of the less important reasons, but it's where my reasoning would go in the scenario you describe =/

would LOVE to hear more arguments, this was a great thought exercise for my morning, and I am always open to change my mind :D currently stuck on the whole abortion debate >_< I'd much rather think about this.

<3
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LeoA
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada108 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-21 04:51:35
February 21 2012 04:50 GMT
#243
No one should be allowed to have and use a gun.

EDIT: This includes members of the army as well, if no one had guns, we could get back to epic sword fights!
Before you say anything, remember...I bite.
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