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books 9 and 10 were the ones that dragged out a bit for me and
On April 13 2012 08:42 Tarrius wrote:Books 1 through 6 are incredible, 7-9 are terrible, the ending of 9 is one of the best scenes in the whole series, then 10 is still terrible, while 11 is alright, and then Sanderson swoops in and saves the series. I find he keeps the incredible direction that Jordan had set the series on, but took out a lot of the fluff and made things HAPPEN. Book 13 Spoiler + Show Spoiler +
Rand's Shining Moment: Although him slaughtering the thousands of shadowspawn was super duper epic, the scene that was his shining moment in my eyes is when he meets with Egwene. His cool and collected calm, minus the dark insanity is just mind bogglingly awesome.
PS - WHAT THE EFF IS IN THE LETTER THAT WAS HANDED TO HIM IN THE TOWER?!
Perrin's Shining Moment(Arguably my favorite scene in the series): Forging of Mah'allaneir. FUCK SO AWESOME.
Mat's Shining Moment: Whooping ass all through the Tower of Ghenjei, Mat is just a baller.
it did piss me off a little in book 13 when rand turns into + Show Spoiler +, mat turns into + Show Spoiler + and perrin turns into + Show Spoiler +. was a bit too gimmicky for my tastes
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On April 14 2012 15:18 LiamTheZerg wrote:I'm at book 5 right now(i think so, the fires of heaven?) and kind of hating it. I hate Nynvaeve so much. Everytime a chapter comes up involving Nynaeve/Elayne i just wanna cry myself to sleep. The best characters for me are Perrin, Mat, and Rand. And Perrin's not even in this book. fuck. i've been trying to get through it for two weeks and only halfway through. GOD THIS SUCKS. also + Show Spoiler +for the whole who loves rand thing, PLEASE don't let it be Min. god. she's a decent character but i just don't want rand to end up with her, i want it to be elayne. pleae please please.
Lol you're in for a surprise I think.
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On April 14 2012 15:24 Aurocaido wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 15:18 LiamTheZerg wrote:I'm at book 5 right now(i think so, the fires of heaven?) and kind of hating it. I hate Nynvaeve so much. Everytime a chapter comes up involving Nynaeve/Elayne i just wanna cry myself to sleep. The best characters for me are Perrin, Mat, and Rand. And Perrin's not even in this book. fuck. i've been trying to get through it for two weeks and only halfway through. GOD THIS SUCKS. also + Show Spoiler +for the whole who loves rand thing, PLEASE don't let it be Min. god. she's a decent character but i just don't want rand to end up with her, i want it to be elayne. pleae please please. Lol you're in for a surprise I think.
+ Show Spoiler +
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On April 14 2012 15:23 ChriS-X wrote:books 9 and 10 were the ones that dragged out a bit for me and Show nested quote +On April 13 2012 08:42 Tarrius wrote:Books 1 through 6 are incredible, 7-9 are terrible, the ending of 9 is one of the best scenes in the whole series, then 10 is still terrible, while 11 is alright, and then Sanderson swoops in and saves the series. I find he keeps the incredible direction that Jordan had set the series on, but took out a lot of the fluff and made things HAPPEN. Book 13 Spoiler + Show Spoiler +
Rand's Shining Moment: Although him slaughtering the thousands of shadowspawn was super duper epic, the scene that was his shining moment in my eyes is when he meets with Egwene. His cool and collected calm, minus the dark insanity is just mind bogglingly awesome.
PS - WHAT THE EFF IS IN THE LETTER THAT WAS HANDED TO HIM IN THE TOWER?!
Perrin's Shining Moment(Arguably my favorite scene in the series): Forging of Mah'allaneir. FUCK SO AWESOME.
Mat's Shining Moment: Whooping ass all through the Tower of Ghenjei, Mat is just a baller.
it did piss me off a little in book 13 when rand turns into + Show Spoiler +, mat turns into + Show Spoiler + and perrin turns into + Show Spoiler +. was a bit too gimmicky for my tastes
I actually really enjoyed all of their transitions. Rand's brought a tear to my eye, Perrin's forging was awe inspiring, and Matt's was just sick.
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On April 14 2012 16:29 LiamTheZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 15:24 Aurocaido wrote:On April 14 2012 15:18 LiamTheZerg wrote:I'm at book 5 right now(i think so, the fires of heaven?) and kind of hating it. I hate Nynvaeve so much. Everytime a chapter comes up involving Nynaeve/Elayne i just wanna cry myself to sleep. The best characters for me are Perrin, Mat, and Rand. And Perrin's not even in this book. fuck. i've been trying to get through it for two weeks and only halfway through. GOD THIS SUCKS. also + Show Spoiler +for the whole who loves rand thing, PLEASE don't let it be Min. god. she's a decent character but i just don't want rand to end up with her, i want it to be elayne. pleae please please. Lol you're in for a surprise I think. + Show Spoiler +
You are gonna laugh when you find out  . Try not to get spoiled haha.
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On April 14 2012 06:09 sc2superfan101 wrote:if you enjoyed book 1-6, than what about CoS, PoD, and WH, were unsatisfactory, especially since you say that you like CS and ToM? Admittedly, + Show Spoiler +there is that huge cliffhanger at the end of CoS with Mat and then you don't see him for the entire next book , but besides that, those are like, the exact same style and furthermore they completely set up everything that happens afterwards perfectly. i can see how reading through it the first time you might say, "ok where is this going?" but after you read the Sanderson ones you see what the idea was and how necessary all those other plot lines were. idk, i just don't see how you can love 1-6, then hate 7-10, like 11, and love 12-13.
Just finished book 9.
Book 1-6 were powerful and epic. Elayne, Nyneave and Egwene were frigging annoying characters but everything involving Rand, Mat and Perrin was awesome
Book 7 I actually liked, just that it had a tough job following on from the epic climax of book 6
But book 8 and 9 I frigging hate (except book 9's end which is pretty cool).
The plot doesnt move
Too many characters, most of them with similar sounding names and no relevance
Too much focus on the annoying characters
Out of the awesome characters, Perrin + Show Spoiler +spends the whole time looking for Faile spends the whole time as some queens plaything
The quality of Jordans writing is still good, he just suddenly appears to be avoiding any opportunity to move the plot forward. It's like the one reviewer on amazon said, he's basically holding out his hand and saying "listen, how abouts you just give me your money. You know you're going to no matter what" Book 8 and 9 could have been one book, but why make just one when you could make it 2 and get double the amount of money.
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Since we're in the topic of fantasy novels, has anyone read the Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe?
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For some reason I don't really remember the stuff anymore you guys are talking about from book 13, so I'm gonna have to reread 12+13 again sometime soon :D.
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On April 14 2012 21:12 GhostOwl wrote:
Since we're in the topic of fantasy novels, has anyone read the Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe?
Off-topic, but yes. It's an amazingly well crafted tetralogy. I wouldn't call it my favourite series or anything like that, but it's an experience.
On the topic of annoying characters... I could just about stand every other storyline, except for Perrin's. IMO Winter's Heart was on par with, say, 5-7 if you left out the first six or seven chapters.
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I love all the wheel of time books. ain't a single bad thing to say about any of them.
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On April 14 2012 20:48 Spitfire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2012 06:09 sc2superfan101 wrote:if you enjoyed book 1-6, than what about CoS, PoD, and WH, were unsatisfactory, especially since you say that you like CS and ToM? Admittedly, + Show Spoiler +there is that huge cliffhanger at the end of CoS with Mat and then you don't see him for the entire next book , but besides that, those are like, the exact same style and furthermore they completely set up everything that happens afterwards perfectly. i can see how reading through it the first time you might say, "ok where is this going?" but after you read the Sanderson ones you see what the idea was and how necessary all those other plot lines were. idk, i just don't see how you can love 1-6, then hate 7-10, like 11, and love 12-13. Just finished book 9. Book 1-6 were powerful and epic. Elayne, Nyneave and Egwene were frigging annoying characters but everything involving Rand, Mat and Perrin was awesome Book 7 I actually liked, just that it had a tough job following on from the epic climax of book 6 But book 8 and 9 I frigging hate (except book 9's end which is pretty cool). The plot doesnt move Too many characters, most of them with similar sounding names and no relevance Too much focus on the annoying characters Out of the awesome characters, Perrin + Show Spoiler +spends the whole time looking for Faile , Mat + Show Spoiler +spends the whole time as some queens plaything
, and Rand + Show Spoiler +The quality of Jordans writing is still good, he just suddenly appears to be avoiding any opportunity to move the plot forward. It's like the one reviewer on amazon said, he's basically holding out his hand and saying "listen, how abouts you just give me your money. You know you're going to no matter what" Book 8 and 9 could have been one book, but why make just one when you could make it 2 and get double the amount of money.
see i have to completely disagree here. i thought books 1-6 were excellent, but they also had the advantage of still setting up the world that we're dealing with, so we're constantly learning new things, and it remains localized, therefore being easier to read and digest. past that, we start getting into the final stage, the Last Battle is upon us, but there is still so much left undone. book 8-9 seemed to be that transitional period of moving on from the story of 3 farmboys who are thrust into the wide world of magic and into the story of the Dragon and his allies making war upon the Dark One.
i mean, that's when the shit really starts to hit the fan. before its almost like Rand and friends are mostly tumbling around in the Pattern basically getting lucky time and time again, but then it starts to not work out like expected for them anymore, and as a result, the story expands to include new characters and new storylines. i can see because you are only on book 9 that its hard to see how its relevant, but a lot of these plotlines serve to advance things and characters quite a bit. i definitely disagree that they should have been 1 book, mainly because a huge part of why i like WoT is the sheer ammount of characters and storylines that add a depth to the story. we don't just see our 3 main characters and a few side characters, but we see how the rest of the world reacts to their actions.
Perrin: + Show Spoiler +i think the Perrin and Faile relationship is supposed to be the closest thing we get to a true love story in the books. all the other relationships seem to be mostly the result of the Pattern and a bit of young love, whereas Perrin and Faile spend a lot more time getting to know eachother and building their relationship. so, for her to go missing is the worst thing that can happen to Perrin, and furthermore stresses Perrin's loyalty to the cause because the one thing he cares about more than Rand and Mat is Faile.
Mat: + Show Spoiler +this one is tough, because he's not even in Path of Daggers, but that made sense too (though it was PAINFUL to wait for WH to come out) because the cliffhanger at the end of CoS made it seem like he could be dead. him being tied to the queen was mainly, i think, supposed to be a role reversal and show how he refuses to hurt women, even if they are taking advantage of him. plus it shows how his being a ta'averan (sp?) doesn't always work out in his favor
Rand: + Show Spoiler +book 6 was huge for Rand. his kidnapping by the Aes Sedai and his acknowledgement of Lews Therin causes his madness to accelerate and he above any other character, starts making his own choices (finally!). see, i actually think Rand's character is kind of weak willed before book 7, only in the context of he's fumbling through everything and depending on everyone else, all the while withdrawing into himself. book 7 starts his journey into his recognition of being what eh is, and its when he starts actually planning his moves and surprising his enemies. plus, the last chapter of Winter's Heart is one of the coolest Rand moments ever, so is the chapter with him and Lan in Far Madding.
just my two cents.
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I haven't read book 13 in a while, but as in every book there are scenes that just make me shiver from the badassness/coolness.
Rands: + Show Spoiler +Telling Cadsuane to call him "Rand Sedai", another awesome part was in book 12 when he asks Cadsuane if he could kill her...just by willing it. Rand finally seeing Tam and breaking down crying, his first reunion with Tam left so so much to be desired, but it made his second one way better. Rand meeting Egwene was cool, pretty much everything Rand did in book 13 was fucking sweet.
Mat: + Show Spoiler +When Mat realizes that Thom and Moiraine are in love and is so incredulous it was such a classic Mat moment I couldn't help but smile. And of course when he meets Perrin with the badger in the sack haha
Perrin: + Show Spoiler +Out of the three Perrin has disappointed me a lot in the middle to later books. (With the exception of his defense of the Two Rivers), but him forging the hammer was really cool. So was his gaining the respect of Galad and finally ending his history with the Whitecloaks. Perrin's best part definitely had to be his fight with Slayer though. Them teleporting back and forth while falling off the White Tower was so sick. The most satisfying Perrin part was when Egwene saw him during the big battle and tied him up "because it was dangerous", then Perrin proceeded to blow her fucking mind by casually blocking balefire etc.
So excited for book 14, kind of sad that the series is coming to an end. I would however advise EVERYONE to read Brandon Sanderson's first book "The Way of Kings" in his new series "The Stormlight Archives". It's really amazing and is the first book other than the Harry Potter series that I would rank up there with The Wheel of Time. The world Sanderson makes in The Stormlight Archives is so cool, and almost all the characters are really really awesome. The magic system Sanderson creates is awesome too.
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On April 15 2012 07:39 sc2superfan101 wrote:see i have to completely disagree here. i thought books 1-6 were excellent, but they also had the advantage of still setting up the world that we're dealing with, so we're constantly learning new things, and it remains localized, therefore being easier to read and digest. past that, we start getting into the final stage, the Last Battle is upon us, but there is still so much left undone. book 8-9 seemed to be that transitional period of moving on from the story of 3 farmboys who are thrust into the wide world of magic and into the story of the Dragon and his allies making war upon the Dark One. i mean, that's when the shit really starts to hit the fan. before its almost like Rand and friends are mostly tumbling around in the Pattern basically getting lucky time and time again, but then it starts to not work out like expected for them anymore, and as a result, the story expands to include new characters and new storylines. i can see because you are only on book 9 that its hard to see how its relevant, but a lot of these plotlines serve to advance things and characters quite a bit. i definitely disagree that they should have been 1 book, mainly because a huge part of why i like WoT is the sheer ammount of characters and storylines that add a depth to the story. we don't just see our 3 main characters and a few side characters, but we see how the rest of the world reacts to their actions. Perrin: + Show Spoiler +i think the Perrin and Faile relationship is supposed to be the closest thing we get to a true love story in the books. all the other relationships seem to be mostly the result of the Pattern and a bit of young love, whereas Perrin and Faile spend a lot more time getting to know eachother and building their relationship. so, for her to go missing is the worst thing that can happen to Perrin, and furthermore stresses Perrin's loyalty to the cause because the one thing he cares about more than Rand and Mat is Faile. Mat: + Show Spoiler +this one is tough, because he's not even in Path of Daggers, but that made sense too (though it was PAINFUL to wait for WH to come out) because the cliffhanger at the end of CoS made it seem like he could be dead. him being tied to the queen was mainly, i think, supposed to be a role reversal and show how he refuses to hurt women, even if they are taking advantage of him. plus it shows how his being a ta'averan (sp?) doesn't always work out in his favor Rand: + Show Spoiler +book 6 was huge for Rand. his kidnapping by the Aes Sedai and his acknowledgement of Lews Therin causes his madness to accelerate and he above any other character, starts making his own choices (finally!). see, i actually think Rand's character is kind of weak willed before book 7, only in the context of he's fumbling through everything and depending on everyone else, all the while withdrawing into himself. book 7 starts his journey into his recognition of being what eh is, and its when he starts actually planning his moves and surprising his enemies. plus, the last chapter of Winter's Heart is one of the coolest Rand moments ever, so is the chapter with him and Lan in Far Madding. just my two cents.
Interesting. I like the idea behind what you're saying.
I just felt like he's just spent TOO long stressing those points in Mat and Perrins storylines.
And book 8 and 9 has felt like a transitional period, just feel maybe he could've made the transition more interesting, or that, considering he originally planned the series to be 12 books, maybe book 7 and 8 should've been the transition, not book 7 to 10, leaving more time for an epic war against the shadow.
Well, about to start book 10 now. Maybe I'll enjoy it more since everyones warned me that its the worst. Dont like the idea of Rand being absent for most of it though.
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On April 15 2012 08:45 BabyGiraldo wrote:I haven't read book 13 in a while, but as in every book there are scenes that just make me shiver from the badassness/coolness. Rands: + Show Spoiler +Telling Cadsuane to call him "Rand Sedai", another awesome part was in book 12 when he asks Cadsuane if he could kill her...just by willing it. Rand finally seeing Tam and breaking down crying, his first reunion with Tam left so so much to be desired, but it made his second one way better. Rand meeting Egwene was cool, pretty much everything Rand did in book 13 was fucking sweet. Mat: + Show Spoiler +When Mat realizes that Thom and Moiraine are in love and is so incredulous it was such a classic Mat moment I couldn't help but smile. And of course when he meets Perrin with the badger in the sack haha Perrin: + Show Spoiler +Out of the three Perrin has disappointed me a lot in the middle to later books. (With the exception of his defense of the Two Rivers), but him forging the hammer was really cool. So was his gaining the respect of Galad and finally ending his history with the Whitecloaks. Perrin's best part definitely had to be his fight with Slayer though. Them teleporting back and forth while falling off the White Tower was so sick. The most satisfying Perrin part was when Egwene saw him during the big battle and tied him up "because it was dangerous", then Perrin proceeded to blow her fucking mind by casually blocking balefire etc. So excited for book 14, kind of sad that the series is coming to an end. I would however advise EVERYONE to read Brandon Sanderson's first book "The Way of Kings" in his new series "The Stormlight Archives". It's really amazing and is the first book other than the Harry Potter series that I would rank up there with The Wheel of Time. The world Sanderson makes in The Stormlight Archives is so cool, and almost all the characters are really really awesome. The magic system Sanderson creates is awesome too.
O.o I think I have to go and re-read ToM sometime soon because I seem to have forgotten all of that...
Second on Way of Kings. Great book. Don't agree with your statement regarding the high placement of the Wheel of Time and Way of Kings but they're still very, very good. I think Malazan, A Song of Ice and Fire, Kingkiller Chronicles and a couple more deserve that accolade more.
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Regarding the Stormlight Archive, I'd rather not start another fantasy series that is supposed to be 10 books long, at least not before Sanderson has finished writing it.
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I have to agree with the books after six not moving the plot along. Rand was my favorite character until he stopped having anything meaningful happen, but after book twelve he is my favorite again. Mat is also an awesome character who genuinely makes me smile, but I feel like Sanderson can't really write for him like Jordan could, otherwise I have no complaints about Sanderson's writing.
Which book had the three-way in it? I remember reading that in 6th grade and it blowing my freshly pubescent mind. Haha
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On April 15 2012 23:24 Sofestafont wrote:
I have to agree with the books after six not moving the plot along. Rand was my favorite character until he stopped having anything meaningful happen, but after book twelve he is my favorite again. Mat is also an awesome character who genuinely makes me smile, but I feel like Sanderson can't really write for him like Jordan could, otherwise I have no complaints about Sanderson's writing.
Which book had the three-way in it? I remember reading that in 6th grade and it blowing my freshly pubescent mind. Haha
Hasn't been a threeway iirc.
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But after Rand is bonded by the three girls, the other two can feel it whenever he has sex with one of them. He is bonded in book 9.
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On April 16 2012 02:01 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2012 23:24 Sofestafont wrote:
I have to agree with the books after six not moving the plot along. Rand was my favorite character until he stopped having anything meaningful happen, but after book twelve he is my favorite again. Mat is also an awesome character who genuinely makes me smile, but I feel like Sanderson can't really write for him like Jordan could, otherwise I have no complaints about Sanderson's writing.
Which book had the three-way in it? I remember reading that in 6th grade and it blowing my freshly pubescent mind. Haha Hasn't been a threeway iirc. + Show Spoiler +
But after Rand is bonded by the three girls, the other two can feel it whenever he has sex with one of them. He is bonded in book 9.
fucking rand and his + Show Spoiler +fucking foursome harem, goddammit he's such a player
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On April 16 2012 02:14 ChriS-X wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2012 02:01 Maginor wrote:On April 15 2012 23:24 Sofestafont wrote:
I have to agree with the books after six not moving the plot along. Rand was my favorite character until he stopped having anything meaningful happen, but after book twelve he is my favorite again. Mat is also an awesome character who genuinely makes me smile, but I feel like Sanderson can't really write for him like Jordan could, otherwise I have no complaints about Sanderson's writing.
Which book had the three-way in it? I remember reading that in 6th grade and it blowing my freshly pubescent mind. Haha Hasn't been a threeway iirc. + Show Spoiler +
But after Rand is bonded by the three girls, the other two can feel it whenever he has sex with one of them. He is bonded in book 9.
fucking rand and his + Show Spoiler +fucking foursome harem, goddammit he's such a player
Does + Show Spoiler +Lewis Therin and Mordin/Ishameal(spelling is wrong my bad =/) make it a sixsome? (and I know Lewis Therin is just Rand's previous life/lives but drawn into person, but I could totally see him humming and tugging his ear while Rand is getting it on =p)
Edit: I also skipped book 10 and went straight to 11. And really didn't miss much =p
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Hopefully I won't get into any trouble for necro'ing this, but the FINAL BOOK IS COMING IN 5 DAYS!
Dear god I've never been in such anticipation for anything in my life. I couldn't keep myself from reading the prologue/chapter1/chapter2 sections they are teasing us with. Now to binge through the last two books in the next few days...
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