EPTBoys swimming as girls - Page 7
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Cirn9
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On November 20 2011 13:06 KingAce wrote: I thought girls were better swimmers, so it wouldn't matter? I guess I was wrong. why would they be better swimmers? they arent better in pretty much any sport so why would they be better at swimming? i think its kinda unfair for those girls but it doesnt matter too much i guess since (like people already said) its just school sport | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On November 20 2011 17:47 sVnteen wrote: why would they be better swimmers? they arent better in pretty much any sport so why would they be better at swimming? i think its kinda unfair for those girls but it doesnt matter too much i guess since (like people already said) its just school sport They're not. He's incorrect. | ||
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krok(obs)
Germany264 Posts
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Fatta
Germany148 Posts
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
On November 20 2011 17:54 Fatta wrote: What I do not understand is why they have to compete against girls? I mean swimming is an individual sport (except for relays), sure they can train with the girls if thats more convenient to them or the school, but why can't they then just swim against boys at the competition? That's what they do here in Australia, we have mixed ages and genders when practicing quite often, but at sport you will compete within your own division. The Massachusetts system defies all logic and I think its more about schools exploiting a loop hole than the law itself. I'd say the law was gender neutral because they didn't think it would happen in reverse. Honestly I think the schools could easily create a boys team that trains with the girls even if there was only one guy. | ||
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thezanursic
5497 Posts
Fixed fixed and fixed. | ||
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mistermetal
Canada76 Posts
On November 20 2011 13:23 Djzapz wrote: Dear first world problem batman. Girls swimming team + guys = Swimming team. If the guys have an advantage, please consider Flash and Jaedong had an advantage against the girls (all other players) in their respective teams. That's fine because it's a "team". I mean what's the alternative to a mixed team if the school can't fund separate teams... Sorry guys you're SOL. Sigh, crazy day. because starcraft is not a physically demanding sport where muscle mass is important and a deciding factor in victory, along with arm span, and leg length. | ||
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Synapze
Canada563 Posts
because starcraft is not a physically demanding sport where muscle mass is important and a deciding factor in victory, along with arm span, and leg length. Funny then, how no female has ever broken through in any scene as a top level player. (Or even remotely close and DON'T even try to mention Tossgirl) | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
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Synapze
Canada563 Posts
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Escoffier
United States120 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:18 Gnaix wrote: I don't know, is letting a master player into a diamond only tournament fair? the difference is, diamond and master are groups based (for the most part) on skill. Male and Female are based on gender, and unless you want to open up the can of worms that is calling male and female inherently unequal, you have to call them equal | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On November 20 2011 18:17 Escoffier wrote: the difference is, diamond and master are groups based (for the most part) on skill. Male and Female are based on gender, and unless you want to open up the can of worms that is calling male and female inherently unequal, you have to call them equal I wouldn't expect it's a can of worms. There's publicly available evidence that the mean of the Gaussian is far superior for males. | ||
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kdgns
United States2427 Posts
On November 20 2011 18:17 Escoffier wrote: the difference is, diamond and master are groups based (for the most part) on skill. Male and Female are based on gender, and unless you want to open up the can of worms that is calling male and female inherently unequal, you have to call them equal You can talk socio/political/economical equality all you want but if you are talking about swimming you are in the realm of biology, men and women are not equal, its why two males dont reproduce, and we dont have asexual reproduction, and why if a female has a lot of testosterone in a drug test in the olympics we consider it signs of cheating. | ||
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DerNebel
Denmark648 Posts
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kdgns
United States2427 Posts
On November 20 2011 18:46 DerNebel wrote: I am confuse. It seems to me that since swimming is primarily a sport for individuals (barring a few subcategories), so why not let the boys practice on the girls team but swim as boys against boys? Is there some sort of interschool scoring(pride) system that I am not aware of? Why in the world would you think "Well, they practice with girls, so I think it's only fair of they also compete with them."? I believe you sign up as a team, if the boys wanted to be listed in the boy's competition, they would have to sign up as a team, then you would have the girls compete with boys. Its like starcraft right, you join proleague and teamleague as a team, even though you are playing 1v1. | ||
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EnderSword
Canada669 Posts
On November 20 2011 17:34 arbitrageur wrote: @OP You can't see a reason that he should be allowed? Do you realize that your conception of fairness is there because Tit-for-Tat with forgiveness, or Pavlov, is a close to optimal solution to prisoner's dilemma? Natural selection has built into you a repulsion against anything that seems to be unfair as it was an optimal social approach for all your ancestors. It doesn't mean your position is reasoned. Your brain is hugely biased to retract from what seems to be unfair, and you engage in after-the-fact rationalization (what evolutionary psychologists call your brain's lawyer) to support your gut feeling. I've never seen more bullshit condensed into a single paragraph. Did you like, just take a Game Theory and intro to Psych Class this week? This is absolute nonsense. Yes, people do often object to things they don't think are fair, and there's social value in being perceived to be fair or not greedy... But that's not in any way at play here. Nor it is After-The-Fact in any way. It's quite the opposite, it's been meticulously and with great forethought determined well ahead of time what gender and age groupings would be made for which sports, and specific reasons for those groupings. You'll notice most children's teams are often co-ed up to a certain age, and only separated into boy's and girl's teams after gender difference are appearing. (Soccer, Hockey, Basketball..) Other sports are actually separated from the beginning, due to different skill sets that will apply later on (Gymnastics, Tennis, Golf) The ages of divisions within sports are usually not arbitrary either, and are often subject to change when science points to better cut-offs. The more physically demanding a sport is, the more likely it is to have smaller age cut-offs because of slight differences in development, which are often then revised by the governing body of the sport. For instance, Hockey Canada has gone from age cut offs of 2 years down to 1 year after realizing the physical differences between a 14 y/o and 15y/o male were just too large. They're even piloting in some areas now the idea of using 6 month rolling cut-offs, after finding out that 90% of Top Junior age players were born in September or October, because the age cut-off is Sept 1st, so they're the oldest and most developed kids each season. The point is, in sports where being an Inch Taller or shorter, 5lbs heavier or Lighter, 2 months older or Younger, 1% stronger or weaker... In sports that are this competitive. It's not arbitrary at all that people seek a level playing field. Some of the rules even go against what your gut feeling would be, but are based on observation and science behind the sports. So overall, while most people would certainly think this is unfair intuitively...their intuition is backed up by a myriad of stats and evidence that verify their instinct...and is not a salivating reaction. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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