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Detri
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom683 Posts
November 04 2015 22:42 GMT
#1441
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MGP_of_Indiana


Loving Sheepdip at the moment, nought wrong with a blend
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
November 04 2015 23:36 GMT
#1442
On November 05 2015 07:37 Artisreal wrote:
What's MGP?


MGP is Midwest Grain Products (of Indiana). Originally a producer of component whiskeys for Seagram's they discovered that a few of the component whiskeys were actually really good and started producing them for resale. Now they're the largest producer of Rye (and probably Bourbon) in the world.

Rather than sell their whiskeys directly(though i have heard they came up with a brand of their own) they sell batches to new distilleries for finishing. Some distilleries make a habit of not bothering to produce their own but most change the whiskey in noticeable ways, or specify production requirements to MGP.

Some of the better Ryes on the market come out of MGP and though they will all have a fairly similar taste profile (due of having the same mash bill) there is enough variation in finishing to be able to tell the difference.

Basically its just good cheap liquor. (though some people charge up like crazy for it. E.G. Angels Envy Rye)
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
November 05 2015 00:26 GMT
#1443
On November 05 2015 07:42 Detri wrote:

Loving Sheepdip at the moment, nought wrong with a blend


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caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-05 00:58:18
November 05 2015 00:44 GMT
#1444
On November 05 2015 04:29 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2015 23:41 caznitch wrote:
Recommendation: Just bought myself "booker's true barell burboun" and love it. One of the nicest straight up drinking bourbons I've ever had and it's 64% alcohol! Incredibly full flavor with that. I usually mix my bourbons (old fashions) but this one I'll drink straight. Its ~$75 in my part of the woods (Canada) so take that as you will. I'm guessing it requires a mortgage payment in Europe and costs $2 in the US

edit: http://whiskey.underthelabel.com/l/486/Booker-s-True-Barrel-Bourbon


It's 60€ at the cheapest online store I know. That's a little higher than mid range for me (never having bought a Whisky >45€ myself). I'm going to remember the recommendation for a friend's birthday, given I find a couple of others who chip in
Other than the Booker's, any favourite (entry) Burbon Whiskys? (Edit: I stand corrected, Whiskeys, right?)

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 04:08 Djzapz wrote:
On November 05 2015 03:39 Goumindong wrote:
On November 04 2015 23:27 Djzapz wrote:
On November 04 2015 23:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
I was gonna say "hey, JW Red isn't that bad". Then I realize it costs the same as a lot of my nice "entry level" scotches and that I have half a bottle of it left even though my scotches only have a couple drinks left in each.

I don't know why, but I find JW Red to be particularly bad, at least for me. It's the only scotch (or whisky for that matter) that I found straight up unpleasant. Even the other "bad" whiskies were underwhelming, but not unpleasant like JW Red. It was bad enough that for a time I thought it must have been a bad batch. I felt the same way with the Irish bottling Powers Gold Label. Not my cup of tea.




Its just a preference thing. I like Red more than Black. (though not a particular JW fan) But i really like Ryes, and so that Spicey taste is more familiar to me.

I don't mind ryes, the rye part really isn't what's offputting to me about the JW Red in a way that no other whisky I've ever tried has been. There's some sort of medicine/chemicals taste that I get, that's completely offputting. At first I thought it was bad peat, now I think it's chemical waste making its way into the mix

I have a similar "problem" with the Bowmore Legend. I bought it 14 month ago and it being mz first peated one, and a strong one too, it takes me quiet some time to drink it. Anyway, I tried it the other day and it did smell smoky, which is fine, but I also smelled new bicycle tyres. Not so pleasant. And this happened two separate times and havent tried it since. The tastings before I did not smell anything like it. Also I sometimes leave a little bit in the glass with a lid on it to dry up and smell the flavours after the fluid has evaporated, substracting the alcohol. I did not smell tyres after the Legend dried up.
When I'm back home, I'll try diluting it a bit, to say 35% or sth. and then have a sniff and taste it again.
If that doesn't help, I'm going to use it to marinate Tofu.



My favorite entry level bourbon is Bulleit (~$30ish here) http://www.bulleit.com/
If you can go a little higher, Four Roses is excellent. They start at low 40s and go to mid 50s (if you get the highly recommended single barrel). http://fourrosesbourbon.com/bourbon/single-barrel/

I can see how spending scotch prices on bourbon seems crazy (though I stick with my original recommendation).

edit - to answer your question: bourbon is a subset of whiskeys. You can check the wiki page for the (somewhat dubious) legal requirements of naming a whiskey a bourbon. I find they are typically sweeter than your standard whiskey or rye.
why?
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
November 05 2015 08:57 GMT
#1445
On November 05 2015 09:44 caznitch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 04:29 Artisreal wrote:
On November 04 2015 23:41 caznitch wrote:
Recommendation: Just bought myself "booker's true barell burboun" and love it. One of the nicest straight up drinking bourbons I've ever had and it's 64% alcohol! Incredibly full flavor with that. I usually mix my bourbons (old fashions) but this one I'll drink straight. Its ~$75 in my part of the woods (Canada) so take that as you will. I'm guessing it requires a mortgage payment in Europe and costs $2 in the US

edit: http://whiskey.underthelabel.com/l/486/Booker-s-True-Barrel-Bourbon


It's 60€ at the cheapest online store I know. That's a little higher than mid range for me (never having bought a Whisky >45€ myself). I'm going to remember the recommendation for a friend's birthday, given I find a couple of others who chip in
Other than the Booker's, any favourite (entry) Burbon Whiskys? (Edit: I stand corrected, Whiskeys, right?)

On November 05 2015 04:08 Djzapz wrote:
On November 05 2015 03:39 Goumindong wrote:
On November 04 2015 23:27 Djzapz wrote:
On November 04 2015 23:10 ticklishmusic wrote:
I was gonna say "hey, JW Red isn't that bad". Then I realize it costs the same as a lot of my nice "entry level" scotches and that I have half a bottle of it left even though my scotches only have a couple drinks left in each.

I don't know why, but I find JW Red to be particularly bad, at least for me. It's the only scotch (or whisky for that matter) that I found straight up unpleasant. Even the other "bad" whiskies were underwhelming, but not unpleasant like JW Red. It was bad enough that for a time I thought it must have been a bad batch. I felt the same way with the Irish bottling Powers Gold Label. Not my cup of tea.




Its just a preference thing. I like Red more than Black. (though not a particular JW fan) But i really like Ryes, and so that Spicey taste is more familiar to me.

I don't mind ryes, the rye part really isn't what's offputting to me about the JW Red in a way that no other whisky I've ever tried has been. There's some sort of medicine/chemicals taste that I get, that's completely offputting. At first I thought it was bad peat, now I think it's chemical waste making its way into the mix

I have a similar "problem" with the Bowmore Legend. I bought it 14 month ago and it being mz first peated one, and a strong one too, it takes me quiet some time to drink it. Anyway, I tried it the other day and it did smell smoky, which is fine, but I also smelled new bicycle tyres. Not so pleasant. And this happened two separate times and havent tried it since. The tastings before I did not smell anything like it. Also I sometimes leave a little bit in the glass with a lid on it to dry up and smell the flavours after the fluid has evaporated, substracting the alcohol. I did not smell tyres after the Legend dried up.
When I'm back home, I'll try diluting it a bit, to say 35% or sth. and then have a sniff and taste it again.
If that doesn't help, I'm going to use it to marinate Tofu.



My favorite entry level bourbon is Bulleit (~$30ish here) http://www.bulleit.com/
If you can go a little higher, Four Roses is excellent. They start at low 40s and go to mid 50s (if you get the highly recommended single barrel). http://fourrosesbourbon.com/bourbon/single-barrel/

I can see how spending scotch prices on bourbon seems crazy (though I stick with my original recommendation).

edit - to answer your question: bourbon is a subset of whiskeys. You can check the wiki page for the (somewhat dubious) legal requirements of naming a whiskey a bourbon. I find they are typically sweeter than your standard whiskey or rye.

Thank you so much. The single barrel looks extremely pleasing. Like a french soldier with the cork as his hat.
Do you by any chance know, whether that little band at the bottleneck is leather or not? Because it's gonna be a gift for someone who lives vegan
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OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-21 01:38:49
November 21 2015 01:38 GMT
#1446
Just got batch 2 of Balvenie Tun 1509. Really looking forward to try it.

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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
November 26 2015 09:58 GMT
#1447
Just found a bottle of Glenlivet 12 for 23€ at a supermarket (they actually have the whole clasic malt selection + more).
For a Whisky that will run out and be replaced by - imo - an inferior bottle, that's quite the steal. It being the first Whisky I bought just sealed the deal.
Will write again after I've tried it and all nostalgia being drippled away :_)
passive quaranstream fan
nRoot
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany928 Posts
November 26 2015 11:03 GMT
#1448
Which supermarket?
need to get myself some Glenlivet 12yo while they last too
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
November 27 2015 09:30 GMT
#1449
real
passive quaranstream fan
Talaris
Profile Joined March 2011
Switzerland753 Posts
November 27 2015 09:53 GMT
#1450
On November 26 2015 20:03 nRoot wrote:
Which supermarket?
need to get myself some Glenlivet 12yo while they last too


Care to elaborate why it will run out ?
I'm not following distributor's news, just enjoying drinking *cough*
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-27 13:30:17
November 27 2015 13:29 GMT
#1451
On November 27 2015 18:53 Talaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2015 20:03 nRoot wrote:
Which supermarket?
need to get myself some Glenlivet 12yo while they last too


Care to elaborate why it will run out ?
I'm not following distributor's news, just enjoying drinking *cough*

The Glenlivet 12 is being phased out in some markets to be replaced with the Glenlivet Founder's Reserve, a no age statement whisky that isn't very good.
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
November 27 2015 18:04 GMT
#1452
My fried is California says they're selling for $20 at Costco

(at home in New Orleans, it's $30 here)
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Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-27 20:09:50
November 27 2015 20:08 GMT
#1453
On November 27 2015 22:29 Djzapz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2015 18:53 Talaris wrote:
On November 26 2015 20:03 nRoot wrote:
Which supermarket?
need to get myself some Glenlivet 12yo while they last too


Care to elaborate why it will run out ?
I'm not following distributor's news, just enjoying drinking *cough*

The Glenlivet 12 is being phased out in some markets to be replaced with the Glenlivet Founder's Reserve, a no age statement whisky that isn't very good.

Thanks for putting it more clearly. I meant that the Glenlivet 12 in Germany will be replaced by, exactly the Founder's Reserve.
I did put up some comments about that one a while ago and while I'm not convinced yet, he's kinda grown on me. Sill, I can't taste or smell more than pear while the Whisky is in the glass, but after the remnants have dried up, it smells kinda like beeswax and some hint of vanilla. Not quite sure about the vanilla though.
That actually is something I recommend for every Whisky. Put a lid on your glass after you finished drinking. Especially if there is a little more left over - happens to me sometimes, cause too much alcohol, especially after working at the computer for long hours, is prone to give me a migrane >_<. And after it's dried up a day later, the smell that remains can be totally altered compared to before the drying. For me at least

ps: I find it entertaining, that your post counter on liquiddota (where I usually post from in this thread) is like 5 posts, but you're one of the "gurus" of this thread xD
passive quaranstream fan
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
December 01 2015 19:06 GMT
#1454
On November 28 2015 05:08 Artisreal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2015 22:29 Djzapz wrote:
On November 27 2015 18:53 Talaris wrote:
On November 26 2015 20:03 nRoot wrote:
Which supermarket?
need to get myself some Glenlivet 12yo while they last too


Care to elaborate why it will run out ?
I'm not following distributor's news, just enjoying drinking *cough*

The Glenlivet 12 is being phased out in some markets to be replaced with the Glenlivet Founder's Reserve, a no age statement whisky that isn't very good.

ps: I find it entertaining, that your post counter on liquiddota (where I usually post from in this thread) is like 5 posts, but you're one of the "gurus" of this thread xD

I just now learned that this thread is accessible from the other liquid forums. Not sure how I have 5 posts on liquidota!
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
OminouS
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden1343 Posts
December 03 2015 17:42 GMT
#1455
I have to meet my brother soon. Whisky is stacking up.

What I have at home but haven't opened yet:

Octomore 7.3
Ardbeg Supernova 2015
Balvenie Tun 1509 Batch 2

Really looking forward to it! I'll get back with some reviews (hopefully)
On the 6th day JF made Reavers and on the 7th day JF put his opponent to rest
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
December 03 2015 23:19 GMT
#1456
On December 04 2015 02:42 OminouS wrote:
I have to meet my brother soon. Whisky is stacking up.

What I have at home but haven't opened yet:

Octomore 7.3
Ardbeg Supernova 2015
Balvenie Tun 1509 Batch 2

Really looking forward to it! I'll get back with some reviews (hopefully)

If you were so kind to share your thoughs on those, I would appreciate it
Just today I bought a miniature each of two Cadenhead bottlings as a christmas gift.
If my memory doesn't fail me on the years, the beautys are a Caol Ila 20yr. and a Macduff 26yr. from the authentic collection.
Let's wait for christmas and see if I can manage to get a sip of those! Wish me luck.
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.Aar
Profile Joined September 2010
2177 Posts
December 05 2015 23:42 GMT
#1457
Anyone have a recommendation for whiskey in Japan? I've been sober for a couple weeks (personal challenge, habit was getting in the way) but I plan on breaking the streak on the 20th. All I see here (Hokkaido) are NIKKA and Suntory stuff in the conbinis (are liquor stores even a thing here?), but I haven't really shopped around.

Anything I'll feel dumb about for missing when I'm gone?

Ditto for Korea (Seoul), heading there on the 21st.
now run into the setting sun, and suffer, but don't mess up your hair.
sc2tycho
Profile Joined January 2012
United States3 Posts
December 06 2015 04:39 GMT
#1458
On December 06 2015 08:42 .Aar wrote:
Anyone have a recommendation for whiskey in Japan? I've been sober for a couple weeks (personal challenge, habit was getting in the way) but I plan on breaking the streak on the 20th. All I see here (Hokkaido) are NIKKA and Suntory stuff in the conbinis (are liquor stores even a thing here?), but I haven't really shopped around.

Anything I'll feel dumb about for missing when I'm gone?

Ditto for Korea (Seoul), heading there on the 21st.


Suntory makes some of the best whiskies in the world at the moment. Last year their Yamazaki single malt was voted #1. If you're into blended whisky, I'd say go for the the Hibiki Harmony, if you're into peat, go for their Hakushu, but if you want something really sublime, grab the Yamazaki 12 or 18 year.
Must...expand....everywhere...
Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
December 28 2015 15:05 GMT
#1459
So this thread has been dormant for 3 weeks but I think it's worth bumping it. What did you guys buy/receive or try over the holidays? I haven't been drinking very much whisky lately but I got "Poitin" from the Teeling distillery in Ireland, a curiosity more than anything, but that should be fun .
"My incompetence with power tools had been increasing exponentially over the course of 20 years spent inhaling experimental oven cleaners"
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
December 28 2015 16:30 GMT
#1460
What a bargain bought a 12 year alberfeldy for £32 at the airport, spent 20mins talk to the middle aged dude who works there. It is pretty awesome.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
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