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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45247 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 10:18:57
August 05 2015 10:13 GMT
#13461
On August 05 2015 08:39 LemOn wrote:
so when do you guys recommend dropping the first I love you
and how


Don't worry about waiting/ rushing to drop it per se.
I think I dropped it when we had been together for a few months and we were cuddling and everything just felt perfect
Or if you think that you'll drop it at an inappropriate time, just wait for her to say it first.
This is definitely a topic that a lot of guys/ girls are overly worried about, but usually it just naturally sorts itself out. Don't worry about formally scheduling when to drop the L-word
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 10:29:50
August 05 2015 10:26 GMT
#13462
On August 05 2015 19:08 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Show nested quote +

when she's being herself

I find out she's open to sex outside and likes the taste of it in one night

Literally what! What do you mean?

I would tell a girl I loved her if I actually did. I wouldn't tell her I love her because she has a certain fetish... (did I misinterpret entirely?). It doesn't matter if she doesn't say it back she just might haven't fallen for you but to wait for a specific time is dumb in my opinion.

Well basically for her Bday at 10 pm I took her to the woods where's this few hundred years old lookout and I took her to the top of it, we had picnic with champagne and released flying lanterns, had sex there under the stars and afterwards she gave me this passionate BJ, swallowed and loved it and then we looked deeply in each other's eyes.

She asked me what I'm feeling right now, she saw how crazy into her I was without me saying anything and asked me to tell her the first thing that comes to my mind. Obviously saying I love you was what I was feeling strongly and what was in my mind but I stopped myself saying it BECAUSE of that stuff - I didn't want to say it for the same reason you mentioned, but in the opposite way - I love her but she doesn't need to say or do anything and I don't expect anything in return I didn't want to say it for the first time right after she's done something I like

Prolly way overthinking this lol
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
August 05 2015 10:29 GMT
#13463
On August 05 2015 19:26 LemOn wrote: passionate BJ, swallowed and then we looked deeply in each other's eyes.

I am jelly. I also think that moment wouldn't be so fun to remember HAHA. Just say it when you feel like it when you're doing something cozy. Maybe not right after she sucked your dick.
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 10:33:54
August 05 2015 10:33 GMT
#13464
eh genius :D- basically my last 5 essays can be summed into

"say 1st i love you right after she sucks dick - good/bad"
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45247 Posts
August 05 2015 10:35 GMT
#13465
On August 05 2015 19:29 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 19:26 LemOn wrote: passionate BJ, swallowed and then we looked deeply in each other's eyes.

I am jelly. I also think that moment wouldn't be so fun to remember HAHA. Just say it when you feel like it when you're doing something cozy. Maybe not right after she sucked your dick.


Yeah I know quite a few people would feel like saying it then would be kind of forced. Like "...thanks for that... umm... yeah I'm not doing it back to you sooooo I love you? We even?"
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
August 05 2015 10:37 GMT
#13466
Imagine telling someone how you first told her you loved her.

"Yeah so we were in the forest, then she sucked my cock, and when she swallowed I told her that I loved her."
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-05 10:46:03
August 05 2015 10:38 GMT
#13467
On August 05 2015 19:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 08:39 LemOn wrote:
so when do you guys recommend dropping the first I love you
and how


Don't worry about waiting/ rushing to drop it per se.
I think I dropped it when we had been together for a few months and we were cuddling and everything just felt perfect
Or if you think that you'll drop it at an inappropriate time, just wait for her to say it first.
This is definitely a topic that a lot of guys/ girls are overly worried about, but usually it just naturally sorts itself out. Don't worry about formally scheduling when to drop the L-word

Yeah next time when I actually feel like saying I simply won't regulate what I say as long as it wasn't right after sexy time or something she's done

On August 05 2015 19:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 19:29 bloodwhore~ wrote:
On August 05 2015 19:26 LemOn wrote: passionate BJ, swallowed and then we looked deeply in each other's eyes.

I am jelly. I also think that moment wouldn't be so fun to remember HAHA. Just say it when you feel like it when you're doing something cozy. Maybe not right after she sucked your dick.


Yeah I know quite a few people would feel like saying it then would be kind of forced. Like "...thanks for that... umm... yeah I'm not doing it back to you sooooo I love you? We even?"

Her last BF told her he loved her just to sleep with her.
And then told her he's in love with her, but wants to break up, and she thinks most guys do that now.
That's why I'm putting some thought into it as well and want to make it clear that I don't expect shit from her, but it's just the statement of how I feel. Again not sure if I'm overthinking this. But I do want to do things the right way with this girl
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45247 Posts
August 05 2015 11:01 GMT
#13468
On August 05 2015 19:38 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 19:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 05 2015 08:39 LemOn wrote:
so when do you guys recommend dropping the first I love you
and how


Don't worry about waiting/ rushing to drop it per se.
I think I dropped it when we had been together for a few months and we were cuddling and everything just felt perfect
Or if you think that you'll drop it at an inappropriate time, just wait for her to say it first.
This is definitely a topic that a lot of guys/ girls are overly worried about, but usually it just naturally sorts itself out. Don't worry about formally scheduling when to drop the L-word

Yeah next time when I actually feel like saying I simply won't regulate what I say as long as it wasn't right after sexy time or something she's done

Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 19:35 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On August 05 2015 19:29 bloodwhore~ wrote:
On August 05 2015 19:26 LemOn wrote: passionate BJ, swallowed and then we looked deeply in each other's eyes.

I am jelly. I also think that moment wouldn't be so fun to remember HAHA. Just say it when you feel like it when you're doing something cozy. Maybe not right after she sucked your dick.


Yeah I know quite a few people would feel like saying it then would be kind of forced. Like "...thanks for that... umm... yeah I'm not doing it back to you sooooo I love you? We even?"

Her last BF told her he loved her just to sleep with her.
And then told her he's in love with her, but wants to break up, and she thinks most guys do that now.
That's why I'm putting some thought into it as well and want to make it clear that I don't expect shit from her, but it's just the statement of how I feel. Again not sure if I'm overthinking this. But I do want to do things the right way with this girl


That's definitely smart of you I don't think "the right time to say I love you" will make or break a relationship really. There's so much other hard work and communication and trust and chemistry that matter more, imo. Good luck!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18205 Posts
August 05 2015 11:45 GMT
#13469
On August 05 2015 19:26 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 19:08 bloodwhore~ wrote:

when she's being herself

I find out she's open to sex outside and likes the taste of it in one night

Literally what! What do you mean?

I would tell a girl I loved her if I actually did. I wouldn't tell her I love her because she has a certain fetish... (did I misinterpret entirely?). It doesn't matter if she doesn't say it back she just might haven't fallen for you but to wait for a specific time is dumb in my opinion.

Well basically for her Bday at 10 pm I took her to the woods where's this few hundred years old lookout and I took her to the top of it, we had picnic with champagne and released flying lanterns, had sex there under the stars and afterwards she gave me this passionate BJ, swallowed and loved it and then we looked deeply in each other's eyes.

She asked me what I'm feeling right now, she saw how crazy into her I was without me saying anything and asked me to tell her the first thing that comes to my mind. Obviously saying I love you was what I was feeling strongly and what was in my mind but I stopped myself saying it BECAUSE of that stuff - I didn't want to say it for the same reason you mentioned, but in the opposite way - I love her but she doesn't need to say or do anything and I don't expect anything in return I didn't want to say it for the first time right after she's done something I like

Prolly way overthinking this lol


Way overthinking it, imho. Also, your girl probably really wanted you to say it. Sounds like she was fishing for it. If you feel it, just say it (but not like Ted in HIMYM). Who really cares whether it was just after a blowjob or not.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
August 05 2015 12:16 GMT
#13470
On August 05 2015 14:28 IgnE wrote:
Real men say "I love you" first.

Truth.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45247 Posts
August 05 2015 16:14 GMT
#13471
On August 05 2015 21:16 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 14:28 IgnE wrote:
Real men say "I love you" first.

Truth.


I don't think real men/ women need to worry about stepping up and preemptively saying it first... But you shouldn't be afraid to say it if you feel that way.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Snotling
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany885 Posts
August 05 2015 17:25 GMT
#13472
And if you think the timing is bad directly after a blowjob, just wait ten minutes^^
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23614 Posts
August 05 2015 17:51 GMT
#13473
had sex there under the stars and afterwards she gave me this passionate BJ, swallowed and loved it and then we looked deeply in each other's eyes.


This reminded me of the Good Will Hunting joke at the bar.

She was definitely fishing for it.

If you love her tell her, but make it at least a half-hour before or after sexy time.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 06 2015 01:27 GMT
#13474
Record store date went pretty nicely. She lives a bit too far away to make it work, but we had a great listening session, learned some new stuff about music, I found some great additions to my melodeath collection, and best of all after she left I looked around some more and managed to get a great deal on a Backstreet Boys album I've been looking for but never been able to find a solid copy of. So the day was well spent.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18205 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-06 02:39:22
August 06 2015 02:39 GMT
#13475
On August 06 2015 10:27 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Record store date went pretty nicely. She lives a bit too far away to make it work, but we had a great listening session, learned some new stuff about music, I found some great additions to my melodeath collection, and best of all after she left I looked around some more and managed to get a great deal on a Backstreet Boys album I've been looking for but never been able to find a solid copy of. So the day was well spent.

IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
August 06 2015 03:36 GMT
#13476
Mmmm she lives a bit too far otherwise you'd hit it? What?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
August 06 2015 04:15 GMT
#13477
On August 06 2015 12:36 IgnE wrote:
Mmmm she lives a bit too far otherwise you'd hit it? What?

Too far for anything other than skype. The record store was the halfway point of maybe a 40 mile distance between us, and on her side of the store it involves crossing state boundaries (which is tolled), so as great as she was we're both going to find someone a bit closer to home.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
August 06 2015 04:40 GMT
#13478
What's the protocol for someone you work with?

I just started another job (my third this summer!) yesterday. I will only be at this job for a bit more than 2 weeks. There's this one really cool girl I met that may (?) have been trying to flirt with me. She asked for my snapchat and said some slightly weird things to me (bragging about hooking up with some people, lots of joking around, taking pictures/video of me secretly and sending it to other people) that could be considered flirting.

As a side note I have no idea why women think telling men about past sexual experiences is at all a turn on but she is definitely not the first to do this.

She's pretty extroverted so it's hard to tell if she actually likes me, but if so this is a time sensitive situation. How could I capitalize on this without making my work environment awkward? I'm afraid if I let her make all the moves I will run out of time
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
August 06 2015 05:04 GMT
#13479
On August 06 2015 13:40 Chocolate wrote:
What's the protocol for someone you work with?

I just started another job (my third this summer!) yesterday. I will only be at this job for a bit more than 2 weeks. There's this one really cool girl I met that may (?) have been trying to flirt with me. She asked for my snapchat and said some slightly weird things to me (bragging about hooking up with some people, lots of joking around, taking pictures/video of me secretly and sending it to other people) that could be considered flirting.


Ok.

On August 06 2015 13:40 Chocolate wrote:
As a side note I have no idea why women think telling men about past sexual experiences is at all a turn on but she is definitely not the first to do this.


She's not trying to impress you.

On August 06 2015 13:40 Chocolate wrote:
She's pretty extroverted so it's hard to tell if she actually likes me, but if so this is a time sensitive situation. How could I capitalize on this without making my work environment awkward? I'm afraid if I let her make all the moves I will run out of time.


If you don't like her enough to risk embarrassment, then forget about it.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
Chocolate
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2350 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-06 05:18:32
August 06 2015 05:10 GMT
#13480
I've definitely had girls do that before to try to flirt with me. I'm 100% not kidding. If I were to analyze it, I would guess they do it to both demonstrate value and make you jealous

Of course I realize that she may not be. It was also a passing comment and not like a topic of conversation or anything

By the way I don't mind embarrassment with my colleagues, I don't want HER to reject me and thus ruin my work environment whenever I am with her due to awkwardness
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