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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 08:20:17
November 15 2011 08:19 GMT
#3101
http://www.livestream.com/occupynyc

also twitter http://twitter.com/search?q=#ows
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
November 15 2011 08:23 GMT
#3102
On November 15 2011 17:17 KtheZ wrote:
I dont get why they keep saying the world is watching when only ~40k (a very liberal estimate) people are.

More people are logged into TL than are watching them... Idk I just feel that the popularity of the movement is grossly overexaggerated.

Well... Given that it's anywhere from midnight to 3am in the US, and given that media outlets are banned from filming... I would find it hard to believe that there would be millions of people swarming to watch this.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
KtheZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States813 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 08:28:01
November 15 2011 08:26 GMT
#3103
On November 15 2011 17:23 Mystlord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 17:17 KtheZ wrote:
I dont get why they keep saying the world is watching when only ~40k (a very liberal estimate) people are.

More people are logged into TL than are watching them... Idk I just feel that the popularity of the movement is grossly overexaggerated.

Well... Given that it's anywhere from midnight to 3am in the US, and given that media outlets are banned from filming... I would find it hard to believe that there would be millions of people swarming to watch this.


I was reading the livestream chat and it appears that 23k on one stream was a record. The moderators seem to regard 40k as one of their peaks.

EDIT: Also, could someone suggest a course of action for police to take to evict the OWS protesters WITHOUT "Violence"? Considering that the people basically refuse to leave, what kind of non-violent stimuli would make them leave?
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
November 15 2011 08:29 GMT
#3104
On November 15 2011 17:26 KtheZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 17:23 Mystlord wrote:
On November 15 2011 17:17 KtheZ wrote:
I dont get why they keep saying the world is watching when only ~40k (a very liberal estimate) people are.

More people are logged into TL than are watching them... Idk I just feel that the popularity of the movement is grossly overexaggerated.

Well... Given that it's anywhere from midnight to 3am in the US, and given that media outlets are banned from filming... I would find it hard to believe that there would be millions of people swarming to watch this.


I was reading the livestream chat and it appears that 23k on one stream was a record. The moderators seem to regard 40k as one of their peaks.

I'm fairly sure that people probably don't tune into the livestream for the past two months or so that it's been on. I wouldn't use the livestream viewer count as a good proxy for the amount of attention they're getting. You're leaving out so many demographics.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 08:31:21
November 15 2011 08:30 GMT
#3105
On November 15 2011 16:45 NB wrote:
if history ever taught u 1 thing, major movements will never success using peaceful method. gosh they should start checking history marks in NA just like what people do in asia.....


The Civil Rights movement, the recent events in the Middle East? Peaceful movements can cause change. Albeit not as effectively as violent ones.

It'll be interesting to see if the OWS people just end up coming back tomorrow after this raid is over.

And the OWS movement is international news. It got a lot of attention. Probably more than the Tea Party Protests. It got very little American news attention but then again they're protesting the people who run all of our media...
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 15 2011 08:30 GMT
#3106
On November 15 2011 17:26 KtheZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 17:23 Mystlord wrote:
On November 15 2011 17:17 KtheZ wrote:
I dont get why they keep saying the world is watching when only ~40k (a very liberal estimate) people are.

More people are logged into TL than are watching them... Idk I just feel that the popularity of the movement is grossly overexaggerated.

Well... Given that it's anywhere from midnight to 3am in the US, and given that media outlets are banned from filming... I would find it hard to believe that there would be millions of people swarming to watch this.


I was reading the livestream chat and it appears that 23k on one stream was a record. The moderators seem to regard 40k as one of their peaks.

EDIT: Also, could someone suggest a course of action for police to take to evict the OWS protesters WITHOUT "Violence"? Considering that the people basically refuse to leave, what kind of non-violent stimuli would make them leave?

redistributing the wealth of the 1% would probably get them out. lol.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
November 15 2011 08:30 GMT
#3107
On November 15 2011 17:26 KtheZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 17:23 Mystlord wrote:
On November 15 2011 17:17 KtheZ wrote:
I dont get why they keep saying the world is watching when only ~40k (a very liberal estimate) people are.

More people are logged into TL than are watching them... Idk I just feel that the popularity of the movement is grossly overexaggerated.

Well... Given that it's anywhere from midnight to 3am in the US, and given that media outlets are banned from filming... I would find it hard to believe that there would be millions of people swarming to watch this.


I was reading the livestream chat and it appears that 23k on one stream was a record. The moderators seem to regard 40k as one of their peaks.

tbh i dont even care... What need to be seen already seen: media blocked, people resit, police OP. The result seems clear to me: police clean up the park, people reoccupy tomorrow. The live stream is so low quality and the content is not even as much as twitter.

Media black out hurts a lot bc that means only people with internet access could follow the story. Someone in the age of 45->65 with political/financial power prob not gona get their hand on these videos anytime soon :-/
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
November 15 2011 08:32 GMT
#3108
On November 15 2011 17:26 KtheZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 17:23 Mystlord wrote:
On November 15 2011 17:17 KtheZ wrote:
I dont get why they keep saying the world is watching when only ~40k (a very liberal estimate) people are.

More people are logged into TL than are watching them... Idk I just feel that the popularity of the movement is grossly overexaggerated.

Well... Given that it's anywhere from midnight to 3am in the US, and given that media outlets are banned from filming... I would find it hard to believe that there would be millions of people swarming to watch this.


I was reading the livestream chat and it appears that 23k on one stream was a record. The moderators seem to regard 40k as one of their peaks.

EDIT: Also, could someone suggest a course of action for police to take to evict the OWS protesters WITHOUT "Violence"? Considering that the people basically refuse to leave, what kind of non-violent stimuli would make them leave?


I'm pretty sure the space shuttle launches that they aired there got a few hundred thousand people
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
November 15 2011 08:36 GMT
#3109
hmm so the reason to clear on tents was 'fire hazard' and there were a 'noticed' sent in to the protestors before hand.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
November 15 2011 08:38 GMT
#3110
On stream. Kitchen staff is tear-gassed and thrown onto the ground by the police.
I post only when my brain works.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 15 2011 08:41 GMT
#3111
On November 15 2011 17:26 KtheZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 17:23 Mystlord wrote:
On November 15 2011 17:17 KtheZ wrote:
I dont get why they keep saying the world is watching when only ~40k (a very liberal estimate) people are.

More people are logged into TL than are watching them... Idk I just feel that the popularity of the movement is grossly overexaggerated.

Well... Given that it's anywhere from midnight to 3am in the US, and given that media outlets are banned from filming... I would find it hard to believe that there would be millions of people swarming to watch this.


I was reading the livestream chat and it appears that 23k on one stream was a record. The moderators seem to regard 40k as one of their peaks.

EDIT: Also, could someone suggest a course of action for police to take to evict the OWS protesters WITHOUT "Violence"? Considering that the people basically refuse to leave, what kind of non-violent stimuli would make them leave?


It depends on state, county, and city laws and ordinances. According to Federal law they have a right to peaceful assembly. Most, if not all, of the OWS protests have been using public property. The areas where there have been issues are parks or public areas that had curfews (Atlanta). In NYC I'm fairly certain there is no curfew for the park at Liberty Plaza which helps to explain why initially Bloomberg tried to use an excuse of, "public health issue." I'm not certain of New York City law so there might be an ordinance that says they can remove them if they stay in a public place for X amount of days. I really don't know. Basically, they may not even have a legal right to remove them from the camp.

Regardless, they were peacefully assembled for a protest. Just like in Egypt or Iran in 08. It's just kind of ironic that the American government condemned those governments for trying to put down peaceful protests and is okay with handling the OWS movement in the way they have.
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14203 Posts
November 15 2011 08:42 GMT
#3112
On November 15 2011 17:04 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 17:01 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Apparently a NYC council member is bleeding from the head and also being arrested.

its actually fascinating that they can even find people (police) to do their job... I mean it could be anyone in that park: Your gf, your family relatives, your neighbors...


The Irish community in NYC would like a few worlds with that statement .


On November 15 2011 17:07 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The NYPD are now sawing down trees in liberty square WTF?


if the trees too damaged to live they just chop it down and pant a new one in a week.

shocking that they're doing it now but I guess its about time. the streams pretty bad for me anyone got a good one?
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
November 15 2011 08:43 GMT
#3113
I heard that the kitchen was not tear gassed from one stream.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
November 15 2011 08:44 GMT
#3114
http://www.ustream.tv/TheOther99 is cleaner and from the outside :-/
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 08:46:06
November 15 2011 08:44 GMT
#3115
On November 15 2011 17:43 Shiragaku wrote:
I heard that the kitchen was not tear gassed from one stream.


Conflicting reports then one way or another. I'll have to watch to get a better understanding then. My stream is saying confirmation.

Edit: I can see tear gas.
Double edit: Streams are being blocked one after another.
I post only when my brain works.
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 08:54:14
November 15 2011 08:45 GMT
#3116
On November 15 2011 17:44 Reaper9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 17:43 Shiragaku wrote:
I heard that the kitchen was not tear gassed from one stream.


Conflicting reports then one way or another. I'll have to watch to get a better understanding then. My stream is saying confirmation.

But one thing for sure is that they are tearing down the kitchen and there are 40 people trapped inside.

EDIT - Definitely use of tear gas http://yfrog.com/163yiz

Maybe not...there would be so much more panic
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
November 15 2011 08:48 GMT
#3117
video of tear gas was played on the iphone on the stream from twitter... It just smoke but cant confirm if tear gas ... wtf is a chain-cutter?
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
November 15 2011 08:52 GMT
#3118
Now reports inside saying no tear gas. I am so confused...
I post only when my brain works.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
November 15 2011 08:58 GMT
#3119
On November 15 2011 17:48 NB wrote:
video of tear gas was played on the iphone on the stream from twitter... It just smoke but cant confirm if tear gas ... wtf is a chain-cutter?

Not tear gas, confirmed fire extinguisher/smoke to panic people.
Reaper9
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1724 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 09:08:05
November 15 2011 09:07 GMT
#3120
LRADs used against protestors. Sound weapons which are so strong to the ears they cause excruciating pain to the ears. So the police are using their new technology against U.S. citizens as well. Excellent... (sarcasm meter which was recently patched up explodes again)
I post only when my brain works.
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