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I for one don't care one bit if women think gaming is a sexist hobby and refuse to take part in it. The day I see tampon commercials during MLG is the day I find a new hobby.
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On September 18 2011 11:02 BrosephBrostar wrote:
I for one don't care one bit if women think gaming is a sexist hobby and refuse to take part in it. The day I see tampon commercials during MLG is the day I find a new hobby.
lol
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On September 18 2011 10:56 HereticSaint wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 10:24 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 10:19 RageBot wrote:On September 18 2011 10:17 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 10:15 RageBot wrote:On September 18 2011 10:10 Saint131 wrote:
I do not think that males are inherently better than females at gaming, like in other physical sports. That being said, there are very few, if any females in the very top tier of Starcraft II.
In my opinion, females are "afraid" of entering the starcraft community specifically because they are female, in which case, they feel that there is sexism in the starcraft community. Even if we don't find using femininity as derogatory, the females that enter the starcraft community certainly do.
Of course, I would like to see more females in esports in general. I think that if we lighten up on the derogatory comments that we point towards females, they will start to take up esports. Hopefully, this effect of females joining the esports community will be much like the Olympics, where at a certain point in time, the number of females in the esports community will drastically climb, becoming almost on par with the number of males. There are two reasons for the lack of women in the top of SC2 (and mostly anything else): 1. They have less motivation to do so, not only from social pressure, but also, biologically, women have less testosterone and are less agressive, they have less need to g ofurther and push harder. 2. The female gauss cruve of skill is more curved/less flat than the male one, that basically means that there are way more very skilled male individuals than female ones (and the ratio is even bigger when you go to the super-skilled), but also that there are more skill-less men than women. ................................... I uh.......................... ............................. You do know what you're saying right? The ugly truth. You honestly believe that women are inherently less motivated and less skilled than men just because they are women? EDIT:: On September 18 2011 10:23 RageBot wrote:On September 18 2011 10:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 10:15 RageBot wrote:
2. The female gauss cruve of skill is more curved/less flat than the male one, that basically means that there are way more very skilled male individuals than female ones (and the ratio is even bigger when you go to the super-skilled), but also that there are more skill-less men than women. what is this? where is it? I'll do a greater search tommorow, but the thing is that due to the male brain functions being more votaile, there are way more male geniuses than female, just like there are way more male retards than female. Oh, you do think women are less than men because they're women...  Stop talking for other people, no one is buying it. It's really no surprise that you so heavily side with an article that blatantly lies about what someone says and then puts it into quotes, because that's the exact same fucking thing you are doing and it's bullshit and you know it. Furthermore no one gives a damn about your utopian ideals which would be in effect in a perfect World. You come here preaching about how it's sexist to be sexually attracted to a woman and voice it yet a few posts later you concede you talk about how much you want to bang that attractive chick with her boobs hanging out to your friends before exchanging high fives. What the fuck, do you think everyone is more adept than you at controlling their emotions and reactions? Furthermore why the hell is finding someone sexually attractive a bad thing? I find a chick attractive, I want to bang her, I may voice this to other people. No one thinks less of that chick due to that unless they are stupid and completely misinterpret what is said, if anything they think more highly of her because of her looks, this isn't objectification anymore than acknowledging other positive traits, such as strength, dexterity, agility, intelligence, charisma, determination, etc, etc. Whether or not you are a feminist I don't know, but you are certainly posting like one and acting like one in this thread, you are trying to stir up a whole lot of shit out of a civil conversation by again shoving words into other peoples mouths, knock it off. I know Day[9] wont, but I personally would love him 1000% more if he sued this douchebag who "quoted" him for defamation. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 10:53 buhhy wrote:On September 18 2011 10:45 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 10:40 buhhy wrote:On September 18 2011 10:31 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 10:25 Mczeppo wrote:On September 18 2011 10:01 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 09:51 Mczeppo wrote:On September 18 2011 09:26 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 09:22 zimz wrote:
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i said nothing about rape. go read books from male and female scientist and experts on this subjects please...... so you can be better informed next time you make assertions and post. You're the one who brought up the idea that if it's biological, it's okay. I'm saying that people shouldn't be treated special/bad because of their sex. You're the one who thinks that so long as it's biological, it must be okay. You got an issue with sex indeed... It's human biology if a guy would like to have sex with a good looking woman. It's just that most people dont speak it out loud. If a guy sais he'd like to have sex with that hot woman that walks by there is NOTHING wrong with it... Maybe the other guy doesnt really care but there is nothing wrong with that statement. It's our sexuality. You said you have to think like this: "wow that woman is 'hot', i wonder if she likes the same movie as i do" Are you serious? you're fooling yourself. It's ridiculous. Why do you even ask yourself if THAT particular ('hot') woman likes the same things you do? To have a new best friend? You speak against yourself. Why would you want her to be "hot" anyway? It also isnt offensive if you think about a woman like that. You dont treat her bad as long as you're polite/ dont offend her/ dont abuse her or anything like that. Our sexuality is a normal thing (obviously -.-') and not being able to stand for it implies that you have an issue with it. Study male brain or sexuality in general was a good advice. It HAS to be all about sex otherwise evolution would not work! I think that thread is crap anyways. OP should be banned for spreading wrong believes about day9 I never said that being attracted to the person was bad. Wanting to have sex with someone is perfectly fine. It's the way you talk about it out loud (and thereby normalizing inappropriate actions) that is bad. A girl walks by and you're attracted to her, your penis goes up. All fine and dandy, that's normal. You then feel the need to talk about it with your friends. This is no longer a biological process, but a social one. The only thing say to them is "She's hot, I'd fuck her" Your friends agree. You've now normalize the objectification of women within your social sphere. It is now expected that if you a woman passes by, that it's only her physical appearance that deserves mentioning. An ugly woman passes by, none of you say anything. Why? Because to think of women as human beings is not yet normalized in your social sphere, she failed the hotness check so she is no longer relevant to your life. Expand that beyond you and your friends and you'll see why it's so easy for feminists to "see" sexism everywhere--because it's there. Because it's normalized in throw away comments amongst close male friends. Why talk about a woman unless she's hot? Why make comments about a woman outside of wanting to have sex with her? And so on and so forth until you naturally see women as objects for the benefit of males. Being turned on is perfectly normal. It's how you deal with people in society that makes it sexist or not. I perfectly know what you mean but you are overdoing it. What else is there to talk about if you dont know anything about that person that walks by? You see the physical appearance nothing esle... "she deserves the hotness check so she is no longer relevant." Thats not true. You just don't care about her at the moment. In other words you're simply not interested in her if she isnt appealing to you. Most normal thing in the world. If you meet that "not so good looking" woman at work and you get to know her better then you can talk about her with your buddy. Of course do other aspects deserve mentioning. I think it is true to say that it is wrong to bring everything down to sex completely. Even if you know the person better. You still have to respect other aspects of that person but that is not the problem we are discussing. Your basic idea may be right but you're way overdoing it. I'm not doing it enough actually. Most of the time I'm just a sexist pig. But I try my best not to. When I see a girl at a convention dressed in next to nothing posing two feet away from me--hell yes my jaw will drop and I'll say to my friend next to me that I would love to do things to her that might be illegal in some states. It's a sexist thing to say, and I am objectifying her and I should give her a lot more respect. But it's sometimes hard to not slip up and act masculine when amongst male friends. Don't mistake my ideals for the execution of my morals. I'm simply honest that I'm a product of my culture and am doing what I can to respect people more. Don't be a hypocrite and push your ideals onto others if you cannot even adhere to them yourself. Also, men and women are born different; it cannot be denied. Why try to push equal roles based upon unequal beings? The ideal doesn't become invalid just because it's hard to attain. Also, do you really believe this? Why try to push equal roles based upon unequal beings? Yes, men and women have different genes, and different qualities beyond appearance. Girls are physically weaker than men, they also have worse spatial sense. Men and women are different? OH MY GOD, YOU MUST BE SEXIST! (Sarcasm, don't hit me anyone  )
A.) I've never said being sexually attracted to a woman was sexist. What I said was that not caring about what she wants or cares about is sexist.
B.) Why does it anger people to call what they're doing exactly what it is? People objectify others, it's bad, we should try to be better. The fact that people do bad things doesn't mean we shouldn't try to better ourselves as a society.
C.) Me caring about feminists issues and me believing that Esports is misogynistic does not mean that I have sided for/against the Starcity Article. I have not once said that I agree with that article nor have I once said that I believe in what the article says. The US and EU are very misogynistic societies, it's very normal and expected for Esports to also be heavily misogynistic. I'm just calling it what it is.
D.) People being okay with making sexist comments does not mean what they're saying isn't sexist.
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Bottom line is the guy who wrote the article is a lonely geek who never got any. Obviously trying to publicly white knight himself hoping to get some chick to think he's cool for sticking up for women. Shame he had to be a total cock to day9, who never deserved that kind of treatment.
Nothing to see there folks. Just a man and his dry penis.
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On September 18 2011 11:00 buhhy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 10:57 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 10:46 Mczeppo wrote:On September 18 2011 10:42 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 10:40 Mordiford wrote:On September 18 2011 10:36 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 10:30 frogrubdown wrote:On September 18 2011 10:24 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 10:19 RageBot wrote:On September 18 2011 10:17 lorkac wrote:
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You do know what you're saying right? The ugly truth. You honestly believe that women are inherently less motivated and less skilled than men just because they are women? EDIT:: On September 18 2011 10:23 RageBot wrote:On September 18 2011 10:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
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what is this? where is it? I'll do a greater search tommorow, but the thing is that due to the male brain functions being more votaile, there are way more male geniuses than female, just like there are way more male retards than female. Oh, you do think women are less than men because they're women... This is getting disturbing. You keep talking about not treating people as objects, and yet you've disrespected half a dozen people on this thread by blatantly misinterpreting the things they say and replacing them with sensationalized counterparts. Please learn to show more respect for your fellow posters and to be a more honest person. The community deserves better than this. What did I misinterpret? He said that women are less motivated and that female brains are just less than male brains. Where did I misinterpret? He didn't say womens brains are just less than male brains, you have to be fucking trolling. Read what he wrote. You mean this? due to the male brain functions being more votaile, there are way more male geniuses than female AND there are more male retards than felame ones. And even IF there were only more male geniuses than female geniuses... What would be wrong with that statement if it was scientifically proofed? I also wouldnt care the other way around... But again this isnt even the case He said more male geniuses and also more male retards! Forgetting the fact that he said he didn't remember where he read it Forgetting the fact that he said that the source wasn't really validated or popular The fact of the matter is that the number of male retards has no bearing on his initial statement that there are more male genius than female geniuses because that's how the brain works. No, but that's how statistics work. If the average IQ of men and women are the same, and there are more male retards, therefore there are more male geniuses.
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I dont see the word Bitch nor the word Bastard to be sexist....
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@ deek
THANK YOU FOR POSTING THAT! Jesus, I KNEW he said it somewhere, and I was going through dailies going, "Where on earth did he say that?"
and everyone's all being hella BM about "SEAN WOULD NEVER SAY THAT"
and I was thinking the whole time "YES HE DID OMG WHERE DID HE SAY IT"
and deek found it.
Deek, you're a hero. Thank you.
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On September 18 2011 11:07 TheDraken wrote:
Bottom line is the guy who wrote the article is a lonely geek who never got any. Obviously trying to publicly white knight himself hoping to get some chick to think he's cool for sticking up for women. Shame he had to be a total cock to day9, who never deserved that kind of treatment.
Nothing to see there folks. Just a man and his dry penis.
Not that I agree with the article. But he does have a wife and kid. There's no need to attack him for having an opinion that's different from yours.
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On September 18 2011 11:10 Moldwood wrote:
I dont see the word Bitch nor the word Bastard to be sexist....
Bitch => Female Dog
Calling someone a bitch is calling them female.
Bastard => No father
Calling someone a bastard is saying they don't have a male leader (ie, mother's child/raised by the mother)
Both are saying someone is bad by being female/raised by female.
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On September 18 2011 00:08 Dreis1337 wrote:
Because gamers are the only ones who would use "bitch" as an insult amiright
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't girls use "bitch" as an insult too? Or is this the case that it's "their" word, which is stonewall sexism in itself.
On September 18 2011 00:10 DreamChaser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 17 2011 23:41 Bobble wrote:
Geez, looks like he likes taking quotes out of context. Everyone knows that Sean is respectful of women. Basically i read the quote and the following lines then just stopped.
On September 18 2011 00:10 StiX wrote:
It's not about just judging a sentence or word, you've also have to know the context.
On September 18 2011 00:12 Mortality wrote:
Sorry, but this is total bullshit. A lot of girls talk like that as well. When a guy is being a bitch you will sometimes see a girl call him a bitch. And dick can be used as an insult similar to how cunt can be.
The only sexism in the gaming culture is the desperation your typical geek holds towards getting to tap the female of the species. A very large percentage of guys who do things like go out of their way to give a girl special items, or on the flip-side go out of their way to troll girls, are doing what they are doing because at their core what they really want is to get laid. That's the only sexism in gaming. And it's not like a lot of girls don't milk the positive aspect of that.
On September 18 2011 00:13 Djzapz wrote:
lol saying "young bitch" is sexist now?
Sometimes it blows my mind because sometimes it's more sexist to point out sexism in things that aren't sexist.
(Mess of a sentence, I'm sorry)
On September 18 2011 00:15 Drizzt3 wrote:
calling someone a bitch means your sexist against women now? so if i call a guy a dick am i now sexist against men?
Read the header at the top of the thread; day9 didn't call anyone a bitch.
furthermore, i'm vaguely dissapointed that any day9 fan would assume this journalist was correct. When i hear someone say something bad about day9 my initial thought is "this person is literally incorrect" because day9 is a good person.
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On September 18 2011 11:06 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 10:56 HereticSaint wrote:On September 18 2011 10:24 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 10:19 RageBot wrote:On September 18 2011 10:17 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 10:15 RageBot wrote:On September 18 2011 10:10 Saint131 wrote:
I do not think that males are inherently better than females at gaming, like in other physical sports. That being said, there are very few, if any females in the very top tier of Starcraft II.
In my opinion, females are "afraid" of entering the starcraft community specifically because they are female, in which case, they feel that there is sexism in the starcraft community. Even if we don't find using femininity as derogatory, the females that enter the starcraft community certainly do.
Of course, I would like to see more females in esports in general. I think that if we lighten up on the derogatory comments that we point towards females, they will start to take up esports. Hopefully, this effect of females joining the esports community will be much like the Olympics, where at a certain point in time, the number of females in the esports community will drastically climb, becoming almost on par with the number of males. There are two reasons for the lack of women in the top of SC2 (and mostly anything else): 1. They have less motivation to do so, not only from social pressure, but also, biologically, women have less testosterone and are less agressive, they have less need to g ofurther and push harder. 2. The female gauss cruve of skill is more curved/less flat than the male one, that basically means that there are way more very skilled male individuals than female ones (and the ratio is even bigger when you go to the super-skilled), but also that there are more skill-less men than women. ................................... I uh.......................... ............................. You do know what you're saying right? The ugly truth. You honestly believe that women are inherently less motivated and less skilled than men just because they are women? EDIT:: On September 18 2011 10:23 RageBot wrote:On September 18 2011 10:18 KurtistheTurtle wrote:On September 18 2011 10:15 RageBot wrote:
2. The female gauss cruve of skill is more curved/less flat than the male one, that basically means that there are way more very skilled male individuals than female ones (and the ratio is even bigger when you go to the super-skilled), but also that there are more skill-less men than women. what is this? where is it? I'll do a greater search tommorow, but the thing is that due to the male brain functions being more votaile, there are way more male geniuses than female, just like there are way more male retards than female. Oh, you do think women are less than men because they're women... Stop talking for other people, no one is buying it. It's really no surprise that you so heavily side with an article that blatantly lies about what someone says and then puts it into quotes, because that's the exact same fucking thing you are doing and it's bullshit and you know it. Furthermore no one gives a damn about your utopian ideals which would be in effect in a perfect World. You come here preaching about how it's sexist to be sexually attracted to a woman and voice it yet a few posts later you concede you talk about how much you want to bang that attractive chick with her boobs hanging out to your friends before exchanging high fives. What the fuck, do you think everyone is more adept than you at controlling their emotions and reactions? Furthermore why the hell is finding someone sexually attractive a bad thing? I find a chick attractive, I want to bang her, I may voice this to other people. No one thinks less of that chick due to that unless they are stupid and completely misinterpret what is said, if anything they think more highly of her because of her looks, this isn't objectification anymore than acknowledging other positive traits, such as strength, dexterity, agility, intelligence, charisma, determination, etc, etc. Whether or not you are a feminist I don't know, but you are certainly posting like one and acting like one in this thread, you are trying to stir up a whole lot of shit out of a civil conversation by again shoving words into other peoples mouths, knock it off. I know Day[9] wont, but I personally would love him 1000% more if he sued this douchebag who "quoted" him for defamation. On September 18 2011 10:53 buhhy wrote:On September 18 2011 10:45 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 10:40 buhhy wrote:On September 18 2011 10:31 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 10:25 Mczeppo wrote:On September 18 2011 10:01 lorkac wrote:On September 18 2011 09:51 Mczeppo wrote:On September 18 2011 09:26 lorkac wrote:
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You're the one who brought up the idea that if it's biological, it's okay.
I'm saying that people shouldn't be treated special/bad because of their sex. You're the one who thinks that so long as it's biological, it must be okay.
You got an issue with sex indeed... It's human biology if a guy would like to have sex with a good looking woman. It's just that most people dont speak it out loud. If a guy sais he'd like to have sex with that hot woman that walks by there is NOTHING wrong with it... Maybe the other guy doesnt really care but there is nothing wrong with that statement. It's our sexuality. You said you have to think like this: "wow that woman is 'hot', i wonder if she likes the same movie as i do" Are you serious? you're fooling yourself. It's ridiculous. Why do you even ask yourself if THAT particular ('hot') woman likes the same things you do? To have a new best friend? You speak against yourself. Why would you want her to be "hot" anyway? It also isnt offensive if you think about a woman like that. You dont treat her bad as long as you're polite/ dont offend her/ dont abuse her or anything like that. Our sexuality is a normal thing (obviously -.-') and not being able to stand for it implies that you have an issue with it. Study male brain or sexuality in general was a good advice. It HAS to be all about sex otherwise evolution would not work! I think that thread is crap anyways. OP should be banned for spreading wrong believes about day9 I never said that being attracted to the person was bad. Wanting to have sex with someone is perfectly fine. It's the way you talk about it out loud (and thereby normalizing inappropriate actions) that is bad. A girl walks by and you're attracted to her, your penis goes up. All fine and dandy, that's normal. You then feel the need to talk about it with your friends. This is no longer a biological process, but a social one. The only thing say to them is "She's hot, I'd fuck her" Your friends agree. You've now normalize the objectification of women within your social sphere. It is now expected that if you a woman passes by, that it's only her physical appearance that deserves mentioning. An ugly woman passes by, none of you say anything. Why? Because to think of women as human beings is not yet normalized in your social sphere, she failed the hotness check so she is no longer relevant to your life. Expand that beyond you and your friends and you'll see why it's so easy for feminists to "see" sexism everywhere--because it's there. Because it's normalized in throw away comments amongst close male friends. Why talk about a woman unless she's hot? Why make comments about a woman outside of wanting to have sex with her? And so on and so forth until you naturally see women as objects for the benefit of males. Being turned on is perfectly normal. It's how you deal with people in society that makes it sexist or not. I perfectly know what you mean but you are overdoing it. What else is there to talk about if you dont know anything about that person that walks by? You see the physical appearance nothing esle... "she deserves the hotness check so she is no longer relevant." Thats not true. You just don't care about her at the moment. In other words you're simply not interested in her if she isnt appealing to you. Most normal thing in the world. If you meet that "not so good looking" woman at work and you get to know her better then you can talk about her with your buddy. Of course do other aspects deserve mentioning. I think it is true to say that it is wrong to bring everything down to sex completely. Even if you know the person better. You still have to respect other aspects of that person but that is not the problem we are discussing. Your basic idea may be right but you're way overdoing it. I'm not doing it enough actually. Most of the time I'm just a sexist pig. But I try my best not to. When I see a girl at a convention dressed in next to nothing posing two feet away from me--hell yes my jaw will drop and I'll say to my friend next to me that I would love to do things to her that might be illegal in some states. It's a sexist thing to say, and I am objectifying her and I should give her a lot more respect. But it's sometimes hard to not slip up and act masculine when amongst male friends. Don't mistake my ideals for the execution of my morals. I'm simply honest that I'm a product of my culture and am doing what I can to respect people more. Don't be a hypocrite and push your ideals onto others if you cannot even adhere to them yourself. Also, men and women are born different; it cannot be denied. Why try to push equal roles based upon unequal beings? The ideal doesn't become invalid just because it's hard to attain. Also, do you really believe this? Why try to push equal roles based upon unequal beings? Yes, men and women have different genes, and different qualities beyond appearance. Girls are physically weaker than men, they also have worse spatial sense. Men and women are different? OH MY GOD, YOU MUST BE SEXIST! (Sarcasm, don't hit me anyone ) A.) I've never said being sexually attracted to a woman was sexist. What I said was that not caring about what she wants or cares about is sexist. B.) Why does it anger people to call what they're doing exactly what it is? People objectify others, it's bad, we should try to be better. The fact that people do bad things doesn't mean we shouldn't try to better ourselves as a society. C.) Me caring about feminists issues and me believing that Esports is misogynistic does not mean that I have sided for/against the Starcity Article. I have not once said that I agree with that article nor have I once said that I believe in what the article says. The US and EU are very misogynistic societies, it's very normal and expected for Esports to also be heavily misogynistic. I'm just calling it what it is. D.) People being okay with making sexist comments does not mean what they're saying isn't sexist.
Valuing traits isn't objectification. it doesn't matter if you think it is, you're wrong, this isn't a debate, this isn't about how you view it, this is about fact.
I highly, highly, highly suggest you go look at what objectification actually is before you start giving it whatever the hell meaning you want, because you don't define words, thank God.
You caring about feminist issues? What feminist issues, the fact that they have just as much chance to join the guys league but instead decide, "Naw, fuck that, let's make our own league and let's limit it to only females" That doesn't sound sexist at all, you're right, in fact if I say, "bitch" once in my entire life time it totally negates that plus some, because clearly I just hate all females and want them to get back to the kitchen or else I'll beat them. There, I said it just so you don't feel the need to put words in my mouth like you have been doing for everyone else, you just have to quote me out of context and not interpret sarcasm.
E-sports isn't heavily misogynistic and I think that's the main point of this thread, anyone who says that is full of shit. Link me to a full study against other places, like frat houses, schools, jobs (that are lacking females at least on certain shifts/potential higher ups during shifts), sports, hell everyday life, whatever else you want to shove you in there. In fact I can guarantee you the last thing I'm doing when I'm trying to avoid getting supply blocked and prevent a three pronged harass drop is whether my opponent has a pussy and if so if I'd enjoy fucking it. I really don't give too much of a fuck after the game either.
You are doing the very epitome of making a mountain out of a mole hill. Stop misquoting people and saying it as fact and stop making grandiose claims without any statistical evidence while at the same time basically telling people they are full of shit for not having statistical evidence at their fingertips the second you want it.
On September 18 2011 11:13 lorkac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 11:10 Moldwood wrote:
I dont see the word Bitch nor the word Bastard to be sexist.... Bitch => Female Dog Calling someone a bitch is calling them female. Bastard => No father Calling someone a bastard is saying they don't have a male leader (ie, mother's child/raised by the mother) Both are saying someone is bad by being female/raised by female.
Don't even attempt to try and give definitions of words when you have no idea what the hell objectification even means and yet you like to throw it around a dozen times a post. News post for you as well, definitions of words change, gay used to mean something entirely different, now you are likely to get the shit beat out of you by white knights for using it in public no matter what context you use it under, furthermore you really have no idea what intent and that to an extent makes sense because you don't understand anyone, not even yourself. (As seen by making ridiculous utopian ideals and trying to enforce them on everyone else, then not sticking to them yourself)
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@ Blazinghand
DAY 9 DID CALL SOMEONE A BITCH! There's this guy, Deek, and he posted proof THAT EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH IF THEY'RE GOING TO GET HUNG UP ON THE QUOTE!
http://youtu.be/3W4tMRveozY
QUOTE STARTS AT ~20 minutes!!
there's the link... I'm not really sure how to embed it as a video.
Sorry for the caps, I'm just really excited that someone found that quote!
(also, if sean somehow ends up reading this awful thread; you rock!!)
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On September 18 2011 11:14 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 00:08 Dreis1337 wrote:
Because gamers are the only ones who would use "bitch" as an insult amiright
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't girls use "bitch" as an insult too? Or is this the case that it's "their" word, which is stonewall sexism in itself. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 00:10 DreamChaser wrote:On September 17 2011 23:41 Bobble wrote:
Geez, looks like he likes taking quotes out of context. Everyone knows that Sean is respectful of women. Basically i read the quote and the following lines then just stopped. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 00:10 StiX wrote:
It's not about just judging a sentence or word, you've also have to know the context. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 00:12 Mortality wrote:
Sorry, but this is total bullshit. A lot of girls talk like that as well. When a guy is being a bitch you will sometimes see a girl call him a bitch. And dick can be used as an insult similar to how cunt can be.
The only sexism in the gaming culture is the desperation your typical geek holds towards getting to tap the female of the species. A very large percentage of guys who do things like go out of their way to give a girl special items, or on the flip-side go out of their way to troll girls, are doing what they are doing because at their core what they really want is to get laid. That's the only sexism in gaming. And it's not like a lot of girls don't milk the positive aspect of that. Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 00:13 Djzapz wrote:
lol saying "young bitch" is sexist now?
Sometimes it blows my mind because sometimes it's more sexist to point out sexism in things that aren't sexist.
(Mess of a sentence, I'm sorry) Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 00:15 Drizzt3 wrote:
calling someone a bitch means your sexist against women now? so if i call a guy a dick am i now sexist against men? Read the header at the top of the thread; day9 didn't call anyone a bitch.
Eh, apparently he does. Scroll up o.o;
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Day9 doesnt deserve this bullshit...
This is a complete joke
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Blazinghand
United States25563 Posts
On September 18 2011 11:20 Haemonculus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 11:14 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2011 00:08 Dreis1337 wrote:
Because gamers are the only ones who would use "bitch" as an insult amiright
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't girls use "bitch" as an insult too? Or is this the case that it's "their" word, which is stonewall sexism in itself. On September 18 2011 00:10 DreamChaser wrote:On September 17 2011 23:41 Bobble wrote:
Geez, looks like he likes taking quotes out of context. Everyone knows that Sean is respectful of women. Basically i read the quote and the following lines then just stopped. On September 18 2011 00:10 StiX wrote:
It's not about just judging a sentence or word, you've also have to know the context. On September 18 2011 00:12 Mortality wrote:
Sorry, but this is total bullshit. A lot of girls talk like that as well. When a guy is being a bitch you will sometimes see a girl call him a bitch. And dick can be used as an insult similar to how cunt can be.
The only sexism in the gaming culture is the desperation your typical geek holds towards getting to tap the female of the species. A very large percentage of guys who do things like go out of their way to give a girl special items, or on the flip-side go out of their way to troll girls, are doing what they are doing because at their core what they really want is to get laid. That's the only sexism in gaming. And it's not like a lot of girls don't milk the positive aspect of that. On September 18 2011 00:13 Djzapz wrote:
lol saying "young bitch" is sexist now?
Sometimes it blows my mind because sometimes it's more sexist to point out sexism in things that aren't sexist.
(Mess of a sentence, I'm sorry) On September 18 2011 00:15 Drizzt3 wrote:
calling someone a bitch means your sexist against women now? so if i call a guy a dick am i now sexist against men? Read the header at the top of the thread; day9 didn't call anyone a bitch. Eh, apparently he does. Scroll up o.o;
that's a fair point. correction: he didn't call his girlfriend a bitch in daily #100, the daily referenced in the article. He relays the same story, without bitching.
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Canada11607 Posts
Wow large tangents and turns out Day9 DID say 'you young bitch,' but in a monobattle vod.
This I think is the crux of the matter:
On September 18 2011 08:51 Talin wrote:
The problem with these threads is like... they're raising the issue (which does exist) to a completely different level, making it some kind of specific uptight point about political correctness that gets shut down easily because people hate that.
The heart of the matter is really just about being nice (something that seems quite undervalued these days, partly thanks to the absolute trash that is western media for the most part).
For the most part, EVERYONE knows how they should behave in ANY kind of social situation in order to not make people around them feel awkward or offended. The problem is that very few people actually want to be nice - because we've all been raised in an "I'm the most important person in the world and I can and should do and say whatever the fuck I want to and whatever makes me feel good" kind of culture.
It's a mentality that's been beaten into people and the way to beat it out of them would require a much wider approach than making an internet article about a very small slice of a greater problem.
I've said it before that lot's of people are more interested in being right then welcoming and I wish it were the other way around. A lot of these issues could be resolved with a little more consideration for other and not fighting for every single 'right.' But such is the way of things.
and @zimz.
I'm sorry, but a lot of male behaviour cannot be excused as 'lulz it's biology.' Yes, there is biology. A guy can't help noticing an attractive girl, she just sort of stands out. But a guy certainly can control what he says, what he continues to think (natural reaction huh, she's attractive and move on vs an hour dwelling on sexual fantasies) and what he does. That is unless you're a biological determinist where everything you do is controlled by random synapses firing... in which case I don't know why you're 'debating' on a forum as free choice is an illusion. But it is a wonderful excuse to hide behind to justify a lot of rather despicable behaviours.
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Would anyone actually care if day9 called someone a bitch? i mean would anyone actually go as far as to just completely stop watching him because they found what he said so highly offensive.
Id say if that was the case.. that person has other issues.. i really love how these threads go completely off topic.
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On September 18 2011 11:06 lorkac wrote:
C.) Me caring about feminists issues and me believing that Esports is misogynistic does not mean that I have sided for/against the Starcity Article. I have not once said that I agree with that article nor have I once said that I believe in what the article says. The US and EU are very misogynistic societies, it's very normal and expected for Esports to also be heavily misogynistic. I'm just calling it what it is.
If we're, "very misogynistic," I don't believe that there is such thing as a society that isn't.
I'm going to try to do a blunt, rude, to-the-point, TL;DR version of my opinion of this entire situation:
If you've never called someone a bitch, you're a pussy who I assume was raised by overprotective, naive parents.
If you believe the word, "Bitch," is sexist, regardless of context, fuck yourself. You're a miserable human being.
I'd rather be called a, "Dick," than to be ignored as a human being.
User was warned for this post
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United Kingdom3482 Posts
On September 18 2011 11:27 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 11:20 Haemonculus wrote:On September 18 2011 11:14 Blazinghand wrote:On September 18 2011 00:08 Dreis1337 wrote:
Because gamers are the only ones who would use "bitch" as an insult amiright
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't girls use "bitch" as an insult too? Or is this the case that it's "their" word, which is stonewall sexism in itself. On September 18 2011 00:10 DreamChaser wrote:On September 17 2011 23:41 Bobble wrote:
Geez, looks like he likes taking quotes out of context. Everyone knows that Sean is respectful of women. Basically i read the quote and the following lines then just stopped. On September 18 2011 00:10 StiX wrote:
It's not about just judging a sentence or word, you've also have to know the context. On September 18 2011 00:12 Mortality wrote:
Sorry, but this is total bullshit. A lot of girls talk like that as well. When a guy is being a bitch you will sometimes see a girl call him a bitch. And dick can be used as an insult similar to how cunt can be.
The only sexism in the gaming culture is the desperation your typical geek holds towards getting to tap the female of the species. A very large percentage of guys who do things like go out of their way to give a girl special items, or on the flip-side go out of their way to troll girls, are doing what they are doing because at their core what they really want is to get laid. That's the only sexism in gaming. And it's not like a lot of girls don't milk the positive aspect of that. On September 18 2011 00:13 Djzapz wrote:
lol saying "young bitch" is sexist now?
Sometimes it blows my mind because sometimes it's more sexist to point out sexism in things that aren't sexist.
(Mess of a sentence, I'm sorry) On September 18 2011 00:15 Drizzt3 wrote:
calling someone a bitch means your sexist against women now? so if i call a guy a dick am i now sexist against men? Read the header at the top of the thread; day9 didn't call anyone a bitch. Eh, apparently he does. Scroll up o.o; that's a fair point. correction : he didn't call his girlfriend a bitch in daily #100, the daily referenced in the article. He relays the same story, without bitching.
The daily #100 part in the article didn't have anything to do with the quote. It was about how good it is to be so passionate about a game:
As you watch, you might find yourself moved by Day[9]'s emotional recounting of the many positive things that happened to him as a result of being unashamed of his game of choice—StarCraft: Brood War. When he's moved to tears recalling how he and his brother had supported each other through the emotional roller coaster of tournament play, you might find yourself moved with him. When he talks passionately about how StarCraft is not something to be hidden away but rather to be made a point of pride, you, caught up in his breathless enthusiasm, might agree. And like many of us just over the fence in CCG land, you might apply that sentiment to your favorite game, whether it's an RTS, an MMORPG, or tiddlywinks.
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