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rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 21:09:34
November 14 2013 07:57 GMT
#701
On November 14 2013 16:39 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
The last things humans need to do is go spread their bullshit to other planets.

Hopefully if aliens ever find us they wipe us out just like the Colonial Americans did to the Native Americans.

This thread reminds me of this:



Your video expresses your point but I think its nonsensical. For once, if we get wiped out we're probably just being replaced by an equally worse species. So I'm not sure where you would get your satisfaction for "a better universe of peace and love". If such a human concept can even exist without said humans.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
November 14 2013 11:02 GMT
#702
On November 08 2013 04:03 Grumbels wrote:
Stars are quite far away from us. I think the nearest star will still take us around 10.000-100.000 years to travel towards using current technology. Obviously that's too long for generation ships and the like.

More like 50-100 years.
Zaros
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom3692 Posts
November 14 2013 11:17 GMT
#703
On November 14 2013 20:02 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 04:03 Grumbels wrote:
Stars are quite far away from us. I think the nearest star will still take us around 10.000-100.000 years to travel towards using current technology. Obviously that's too long for generation ships and the like.

More like 50-100 years.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri
whoso
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany523 Posts
November 14 2013 14:47 GMT
#704
On November 14 2013 20:02 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2013 04:03 Grumbels wrote:
Stars are quite far away from us. I think the nearest star will still take us around 10.000-100.000 years to travel towards using current technology. Obviously that's too long for generation ships and the like.

More like 50-100 years.


in 3013 maybe
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5731 Posts
November 14 2013 15:22 GMT
#705
On November 14 2013 20:17 Zaros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:02 Tobberoth wrote:
On November 08 2013 04:03 Grumbels wrote:
Stars are quite far away from us. I think the nearest star will still take us around 10.000-100.000 years to travel towards using current technology. Obviously that's too long for generation ships and the like.

More like 50-100 years.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri

There have been concepts since about the 70s (getting more and more feasible) to accelerate a probe to on the order of 10% of the speed of light which would do the job, there just happens to be no money for it and we have a mental block about launching things into space that have the word "nuclear" in them.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
November 14 2013 17:50 GMT
#706
On November 15 2013 00:22 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2013 20:17 Zaros wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 Tobberoth wrote:
On November 08 2013 04:03 Grumbels wrote:
Stars are quite far away from us. I think the nearest star will still take us around 10.000-100.000 years to travel towards using current technology. Obviously that's too long for generation ships and the like.

More like 50-100 years.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri

There have been concepts since about the 70s (getting more and more feasible) to accelerate a probe to on the order of 10% of the speed of light which would do the job, there just happens to be no money for it and we have a mental block about launching things into space that have the word "nuclear" in them.


It's not a mental block, it's a result of rational analysis. Building a large nuclear arsenal and sending it into space is a huge security risk (I'm guessing we're talking about Project Orion type propulsion). It's not a route we should aim for, especially in the current environment. Plus there are probably other options that are feasible, like solar sail driven by lasers from Earth.

On a general note, worrying about unquantified risk is not irrational.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
Restrider
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany129 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 20:13:16
November 14 2013 20:09 GMT
#707
On November 14 2013 16:39 SjPhotoGrapher wrote:
The last things humans need to do is go spread their bullshit to other planets.

Hopefully if aliens ever find us they wipe us out just like the Colonial Americans did to the Native Americans.

This thread reminds me of this:


This stance is short sighted.
Yes, there are habits and customs on Earth that are surely not worth spreading, but rolling over and just die is not a solution (as kind of proposed by the last statement). People tend to ignore that culture and societies will evolve (maybe not as fast as technology), but it sure will evolve - unless we kill ourselves during the process.
Alas, if this comment was not somewhat ironic/sarcastic I have to just say that cultural pessimism is something that is over"hyped", if I may use this term.
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
November 14 2013 20:37 GMT
#708
I can't believe the US aren't trying harder to bring freedom on these planets
rly ?
StatixEx
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United Kingdom779 Posts
November 14 2013 21:31 GMT
#709
i love all this stuff and its great but its all pointless!! its too far to even our nearest dead planet! All too theoretical . . .the wonder i think keeps us going!
Reason
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United Kingdom2770 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 00:55:04
November 21 2013 00:54 GMT
#710
On November 15 2013 02:50 hypercube wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 00:22 oBlade wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:17 Zaros wrote:
On November 14 2013 20:02 Tobberoth wrote:
On November 08 2013 04:03 Grumbels wrote:
Stars are quite far away from us. I think the nearest star will still take us around 10.000-100.000 years to travel towards using current technology. Obviously that's too long for generation ships and the like.

More like 50-100 years.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxima_Centauri

There have been concepts since about the 70s (getting more and more feasible) to accelerate a probe to on the order of 10% of the speed of light which would do the job, there just happens to be no money for it and we have a mental block about launching things into space that have the word "nuclear" in them.


It's not a mental block, it's a result of rational analysis. Building a large nuclear arsenal and sending it into space is a huge security risk (I'm guessing we're talking about Project Orion type propulsion). It's not a route we should aim for, especially in the current environment. Plus there are probably other options that are feasible, like solar sail driven by lasers from Earth.

On a general note, worrying about unquantified risk is not irrational.

Saying Project Orion type propulsion is not a route we should aim for is ridiculous, we should use whatever means we have at our disposal!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)

^interesting read.. I'm feeling a lot more confident about the future of space travel :D
On November 15 2013 06:31 StatixEx wrote:
i love all this stuff and its great but its all pointless!! its too far to even our nearest dead planet! All too theoretical . . .the wonder i think keeps us going!

Don't be so sure ^^
Speak properly, and in as few words as you can, but always plainly; for the end of speech is not ostentation, but to be understood.
TrishLovesET
Profile Joined June 2013
United States52 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 19:42:09
November 21 2013 19:39 GMT
#711
The Drake Equation:

N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L

Where,

N = The number of civilizations in The Milky Way Galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable.

R* =The rate of formation of stars suitable for the development of intelligent life.

fp = The fraction of those stars with planetary systems.

ne = The number of planets, per solar system, with an environment suitable for life.

fl = The fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears.

fi = The fraction of life bearing planets on which intelligent life emerges.

fc = The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space.

L = The length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.

Oh and don't forget the Goldilocks Principle
“For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” --Carl Sagan
Abraxas514
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada475 Posts
November 24 2013 21:14 GMT
#712
On November 22 2013 04:39 TrishLovesET wrote:
The Drake Equation:

N = R* • fp • ne • fl • fi • fc • L

Where,

N = The number of civilizations in The Milky Way Galaxy whose electromagnetic emissions are detectable.

R* =The rate of formation of stars suitable for the development of intelligent life.

fp = The fraction of those stars with planetary systems.

ne = The number of planets, per solar system, with an environment suitable for life.

fl = The fraction of suitable planets on which life actually appears.

fi = The fraction of life bearing planets on which intelligent life emerges.

fc = The fraction of civilizations that develop a technology that releases detectable signs of their existence into space.

L = The length of time such civilizations release detectable signals into space.

Oh and don't forget the Goldilocks Principle


The issue with that is the assumption that after the civ no longer exists, we wouldn't receive messages. We should be able to capture signals left long after civs go extinct. In theory, the number of extinct civs should far surpass extant civs. Since we've found no such communications, there must be some other problem. Perhaps related to dark matter or supersymmetry?
Fear is the mind killer
TrishLovesET
Profile Joined June 2013
United States52 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-25 18:37:45
November 25 2013 18:37 GMT
#713


Like fermionic dimensions in spacetime?
“For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” --Carl Sagan
krzych113
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United Kingdom547 Posts
November 25 2013 19:16 GMT
#714
might've made a mistake ( though i don't care ), but based on the fact that light from sun to earth goes for roughly 8 min, this planet is only about 344*10^12 km from here and which is only 2 299 500 times further
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 29 2013 00:03 GMT
#715
A team of European astronomers has discovered a second planetary system, the closest parallel to our own solar system yet found. It includes seven exoplanets orbiting a star with the small rocky planets close to their host star and the gas giant planets further away. The system was hidden within the wealth of data from the Kepler Space Telescope.

KOI-351 is “the first system with a significant number of planets (not just two or three, where random fluctuations can play a role) that shows a clear hierarchy like the solar system — with small, probably rocky, planets in the interior and gas giants in the (exterior),” Dr. Juan Cabrera, of the Institute of Planetary Research at the German Aerospace Center, told Universe Today.

Three of the seven planets orbiting KOI-351 were detected earlier this year, and have periods of 59, 210 and 331 days — similar to the periods of Mercury, Venus and Earth.

But the orbital periods of these planets vary by as much as 25.7 hours. This is the highest variation detected in an exoplanet’s orbital period so far, hinting that there are more planets than meets the eye.

In closely packed systems, the gravitational pull of nearby planets can cause the acceleration or deceleration of a planet along its orbit. These “tugs” cause the variations in orbital periods.

They also provide indirect evidence of further planets. Using advanced computer algorithms, Cabrera and his team detected four new planets orbiting KOI-351.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
November 29 2013 00:45 GMT
#716
Hi guys, i'm a Astronomy student, i'm still in diapers here (finishing first year), and i'm in love of exoplanets and life beyond earth, i'm about to give a speech about exoplanets ( it will be tomorrow!~) and i have recompiled quite a bit of info about the theme, anyways because of the trend of talk is moving more and more towards life i feel you would like to have a look at these pictures, they are a bit old for today's standards but i feel they will be good enough for you guys ^^

[image loading]

I'll let you guess where Kepler was pointing at ;D

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Go to phl.upr.edu for more stuff, they have A LOT of pretty amazing media and quite a bit (to say the least) of solid scientific data too!


Also, NASA/Kepler guys are trying a quite interesting method to bring back Kepler from the dead!, it a extremely smarty pants method and i love it!

So yeah, Zombie Kepler ftw!
@Kantuva | Mapmaker | KTVMaps.wordpress.com | Check my profile to see my TL map threads, and you can search for KTV in the Custom Games section to play them.
LibertyRises
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States175 Posts
November 29 2013 12:25 GMT
#717
I hate to be a pessimist but I'm pretty sure every government on earth would burn babies rather than release any real info out to the public. Some things are worth more than money and its fun to speculate but they're not even sharing the money what makes any of you think they'd share their secret knowledge bombs with us lowly folk?
Polt: Nani... why such a bitch?
Abraxas514
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada475 Posts
November 29 2013 19:29 GMT
#718
On November 29 2013 21:25 LibertyRises wrote:
I hate to be a pessimist but I'm pretty sure every government on earth would burn babies rather than release any real info out to the public. Some things are worth more than money and its fun to speculate but they're not even sharing the money what makes any of you think they'd share their secret knowledge bombs with us lowly folk?


Good thing organizations like CERN are unaffiliated with any governments!
Fear is the mind killer
TrishLovesET
Profile Joined June 2013
United States52 Posts
November 29 2013 19:30 GMT
#719
On November 30 2013 04:29 Abraxas514 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2013 21:25 LibertyRises wrote:
I hate to be a pessimist but I'm pretty sure every government on earth would burn babies rather than release any real info out to the public. Some things are worth more than money and its fun to speculate but they're not even sharing the money what makes any of you think they'd share their secret knowledge bombs with us lowly folk?


Good thing organizations like CERN are unaffiliated with any governments!



Exactly!
“For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.” --Carl Sagan
Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France7913 Posts
November 29 2013 20:37 GMT
#720
On November 29 2013 21:25 LibertyRises wrote:
I hate to be a pessimist but I'm pretty sure every government on earth would burn babies rather than release any real info out to the public. Some things are worth more than money and its fun to speculate but they're not even sharing the money what makes any of you think they'd share their secret knowledge bombs with us lowly folk?

It's not pessimism it's acute paranoia.

Why would "governments" hide anything to anyone regarding planets that are light years away? That doesn't make sense. It's not like you could travel there tomorrow morning. And even if you could I don't really see what difference it would make.

You guys watch too many TV shows.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
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