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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On August 02 2011 12:30 oldgregg wrote: its a transaction and they are both consenting adults so i dont see a problem That's exactly what prostitution is though..... -.-' Meh, the US is still in better shape than.. well I know for a fact there are countries worse off than the US! | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
On August 03 2011 00:53 Horst wrote: they should have known this going in, when getting degrees in things like psychology and other BS liberal arts fields. no one goes into university thinking that they'll pay off their tuition by way of prostitution afterwards. they go into it thinking that it's a good way to find a good paying job that will make them live luxuriously. the government not informing the general public about the job market is causing these things to happen to pay off student debt. sure they consent to having sex for money, but that's not the problem, the problem is why the hell did they have to do it in the first place if they're going to higher education. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On August 03 2011 01:13 Malgrif wrote: no one goes into university thinking that they'll pay off their tuition by way of prostitution afterwards. they go into it thinking that it's a good way to find a good paying job that will make them live luxuriously. the government not informing the general public about the job market is causing these things to happen to pay off student debt. sure they consent to having sex for money, but that's not the problem, the problem is why the hell did they have to do it in the first place if they're going to higher education. I thought those people affected by it do it to pay their tuition during their studies? It's not as if they finished the studies and were caught off guard by a declining job market. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On August 02 2011 12:31 phosphorylation wrote: really.. forward me to such site if there really is any Seriously, I'd be down for it. | ||
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mprs
Canada2933 Posts
On August 02 2011 19:16 KeksX wrote: That is right. That is why I stressed the point that it is MY view on things. I'm totally aware that people can have different views on that. This is the nature of things, however, and I can't really do anything about it. (And why should I? I'm totally fine with that) Love is a very complex "construct", if you want so, and very individual as well. But I also never said that a candle-light dinner is no expression of love or "worse", it is just different. In which way depends on the human being. For me, a candle-light dinner is very intimate as well, but says something different than a kiss for example... I agree! BUT, an alien will most likely have similar, if not the exact same feelings and other ways to express these. Maybe they feel the things we will when we kiss each other, but they just do a handshake then? Interesting topic  . Great conclusion. I really hear you and I feel like, after rereading my post, I really did not respect this in the first place. I understand that there are different types of people with different symbols, however this does imply that they have symbolizations(And you pretty much should assume that everyone has them because it is just...well, without, you could not judge anything whatsever. But this a WHOLE NEW topic!) AND I also stated earlier that this is "my definition of things". I was implying that others have their view, however, I wanted to give you guys my view. The reason I have to assume things is that I have no "scientific evidence".. However, I am not forcing anybody to believe what I believe. I have my view and to everyone that wants to come close to me I make clear how I feel. If they disagree, I respect it. If they agree, I respect it as well. I don't know if "believe" is the right term either, as it is more another feeling. Words are difficult! But still, you have pretty solid points that make me think even more about that topic and I may have to adjust my thoughts, at least when it comes to the terms of "ultimate expression", as it is quite true that people have very unique views here. Oh, and it is NO question for me that women and men are treated equally here. I don't see any reason to treat them differently. P.S: These kind of discussions are what make this forum very unique(at least for me). Never had these before in any other online-community. I aprreciate it, thanks a bunch! Oh and I love how we perfectly prove that things can be very complicated even if they look easy at the first look. Yes. I'm pretty sure we 100% agree. I think I'm guilty of thinking that you are enforcing your opinion on others because everyone else that is anti-prostitution has been. But you are of course allowed to have your opinion about the subject, and it is as valid as any. However, when we discuss the situation in certain countries, women don't have that right. I come from the muslim world so I'm used to seeing daughters and wives being beat for much less. Part of this is culture. Part of this is religion. Part of it is just women oppression. They basically took the gray line that we have between prostitution and "normal" women behavior and just dragged it to one side. And seeing that, we really see how fragile this line is, and hence, how superficial it is. Now back to the topic, most countries do not allow this deviance. They have either strict prostitution laws or no prostitution allowed. This is fine for somebody as yourself, but I don't think you (which you don't) or a country (which they do) should impose their rights and wrongs onto their people. There is actually no REAL reason why prostitution can't be a respectable and elegant profession. Society just chooses not to consider it. But like most stigmas and other crutches from centuries ago, we as a civilization are slowly but surely moving toward a more fair and equal. Love the discussion by the way! | ||
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ToxNub
Canada805 Posts
No seriously, I posted a thread seeking info on escorts if you check my history. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
I have friends that wanted to try prostitution for fun, and did it for a fair amount of time afterwards too because it was interesting and the money was decent. I think thats awesome. But the article references the girl felt "dirty" afterwards and "wanted to just get it over with". --> This is another manifestation of imbalances in society that should not exist in the first place. | ||
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Malgrif
Canada1095 Posts
On August 03 2011 01:21 JustPassingBy wrote: in canada if you're a full time student you don't have to to begin paying off student loans until 6 months after you graduate. is it different in the US?I thought those people affected by it do it to pay their tuition during their studies? It's not as if they finished the studies and were caught off guard by a declining job market. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On August 03 2011 01:33 ToxNub wrote: I hope to one day grow up to be a sugar daddy. What do you want to be doing when you are 50+? Gardening? Watching wheel of fortune? I don't know about you, but I want to be plowing college girls. No seriously, I posted a thread seeking info on escorts if you check my history. That mentality is healthy if the girls want to be plowed by you. If they are doing it for the money and out of a sense of desperation, and its something they are tormented by afterwards, even if they continue to engage in it, I think its completely different. | ||
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Art_of_Kill
Zaire1232 Posts
to be honest dropping some debs for having sex with older people is kind of weird, cause i doubt anyone starts studing without knowing how fucking expensive it will be... so they have to be pretty desperate about their debs to do that | ||
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W2
United States1177 Posts
On August 03 2011 01:33 ToxNub wrote: I hope to one day grow up to be a sugar daddy. What do you want to be doing when you are 50+? Gardening? Watching wheel of fortune? I don't know about you, but I want to be plowing college girls. No seriously, I posted a thread seeking info on escorts if you check my history. I think when we grow older, we lose sex drive. Coupled with the guilt of paying money for sex, as well as banging someone the same age as your daughter, I would hope that it would be enough to subdue our sexual instincts. But if old people really are as horny as we are now, I guess Hugh Heffner has it best LOL. He doesn't even have to pay. | ||
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Equity213
Canada873 Posts
Would I want to be a prositute or work and wal mart or work in a sweatshop? No, but I have no right to interfere in the lives of people who do. I find it pretty insulting when you people insinuate that those less fortunate are just stupid animals that need you to take care of them. | ||
Myles
United States5162 Posts
On August 03 2011 01:43 caradoc wrote: I've got nothing against prostitution, but I have everything against a society where the imbalance of resources/power is so great that people do things to survive that they would not morally engage in otherwise. I have friends that wanted to try prostitution for fun, and did it for a fair amount of time afterwards too because it was interesting and the money was decent. I think thats awesome. But the article references the girl felt "dirty" afterwards and "wanted to just get it over with". --> This is another manifestation of imbalances in society that should not exist in the first place. There are many, many jobs that people take out of desperation, not just prostitution. And lots of people hate their job, so, imo, using that as the standard just doesn't work. Hell, I'm working a job I wouldn't have taken otherwise if I didn't need money to live in society. | ||
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Equity213
Canada873 Posts
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UpsideDownGuy
2 Posts
On August 03 2011 01:46 Art_of_Kill wrote: i am finishing my master of sience in physics in about 8months, if everything goes the right way, i will end up with ~10k€ debs to be honest dropping some debs for having sex with older people is kind of weird, cause i doubt anyone starts studing without knowing how fucking expensive it will be... so they have to be pretty desperate about their debs to do that ou ʇɥǝ ouǝ ɥɐup, ʇɥǝ bıɹןs ɔɐu ɟnɔʞ soɯǝ bnʎs, bǝʇ onʇ oɟ pǝqʇ, ɐup ʇɥǝu ɯoʌǝ ou ʇo ɥɐʌıub ɐ uoɹɯɐן ןıɟǝ ʍɥǝu ʇɥǝʎ bǝʇ ɐ ظoq. ou ʇɥǝ oʇɥǝɹ ɥɐup, ظnpbɯǝuʇɐן qɐsʇɐɹps ʍɥo ɥɐʌǝ uoʇɥıub ʇo bɐıu oɹ ןosǝ ıu ʇɥǝ ɯɐʇʇǝɹ ǝxɔǝdʇ ʇo ɯɐʞǝ snɹǝ ʇɥǝıɹ odıuıou ıs ɟoןןoʍǝp qʎ ǝʌǝɹʎouǝ, ʍıןן ɟoɹɔǝ ʇɥǝ bıɹן ʇo qǝ ıu pǝqʇ ɟoɹ ʇɥǝ ɹǝsʇ oɟ ɥǝɹ ןıɟǝ. ʇɥǝu sɥǝ ɥɐs ʇo ɔɥoosǝ ɐ ɔɹɐddʎ ظoq ظnsʇ ʇo dɐʎ ʇɥǝ ıuʇǝɹǝsʇ, ɐup dɹoqɐqןʎ uǝʌǝɹ sǝǝ ɥǝɹ ɔɐɹǝǝɹ qןossoɯ. ɥʎdoɔɹısʎ, sʇndıpıʇʎ, ظnpbɯǝuʇɐן, ɥoןıǝɹ-ʇɥɐu-ʇɥon ɯǝuʇɐןıʇʎ. ı sɐʎ, ظnsʇ ןıʌǝ ɐup ןǝʇ ןıʌǝ. User was banned for this post. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On August 03 2011 01:53 Myles wrote: There are many, many jobs that people take out of desperation, not just prostitution. And lots of people hate their job, so, imo, using that as the standard just doesn't work. Hell, I'm working a job I wouldn't have taken otherwise if I didn't need money to live in society. Are you happy with it? No. So do we want a better society where that doesnt happen? Yes. Therefore shouldn't we investigate the sources of power imbalances in society? That seems logical. My point stands. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On August 03 2011 01:50 Equity213 wrote: I love how folks are so quick to claim exploitation or 'wage-slavery'. Who the hell are you to say what is exploitation and whats not? You have no right to tell these people what they can and cant do so save the self rightous bleeding heart crap. Would I want to be a prositute or work and wal mart or work in a sweatshop? No, but I have no right to interfere in the lives of people who do. I find it pretty insulting when you people insinuate that those less fortunate are just stupid animals that need you to take care of them. respond to specific posts or you're just adding to the cacophony if you're responding to my post, see the above post. Nobody aspires to be a wage slave. Its a systemic issue, not an individual one. | ||
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W2
United States1177 Posts
On August 03 2011 01:50 Equity213 wrote: I love how folks are so quick to claim exploitation or 'wage-slavery'. Who the hell are you to say what is exploitation and whats not? You have no right to tell these people what they can and cant do so save the self rightous bleeding heart crap. Would I want to be a prositute or work and wal mart or work in a sweatshop? No, but I have no right to interfere in the lives of people who do. I find it pretty insulting when you people insinuate that those less fortunate are just stupid animals that need you to take care of them. Where is this coming from? I don't see any post talking about these women being exploited. | ||
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caradoc
Canada3022 Posts
On August 03 2011 01:56 UpsideDownGuy wrote: ou ʇɥǝ ouǝ ɥɐup, ʇɥǝ bıɹןs ɔɐu ɟnɔʞ soɯǝ bnʎs, bǝʇ onʇ oɟ pǝqʇ, ɐup ʇɥǝu ɯoʌǝ ou ʇo ɥɐʌıub ɐ uoɹɯɐן ןıɟǝ ʍɥǝu ʇɥǝʎ bǝʇ ɐ ظoq. ou ʇɥǝ oʇɥǝɹ ɥɐup, ظnpbɯǝuʇɐן qɐsʇɐɹps ʍɥo ɥɐʌǝ uoʇɥıub ʇo bɐıu oɹ ןosǝ ıu ʇɥǝ ɯɐʇʇǝɹ ǝxɔǝdʇ ʇo ɯɐʞǝ snɹǝ ʇɥǝıɹ odıuıou ıs ɟoןןoʍǝp qʎ ǝʌǝɹʎouǝ, ʍıןן ɟoɹɔǝ ʇɥǝ bıɹן ʇo qǝ ıu pǝqʇ ɟoɹ ʇɥǝ ɹǝsʇ oɟ ɥǝɹ ןıɟǝ. ʇɥǝu sɥǝ ɥɐs ʇo ɔɥoosǝ ɐ ɔɹɐddʎ ظoq ظnsʇ ʇo dɐʎ ʇɥǝ ıuʇǝɹǝsʇ, ɐup dɹoqɐqןʎ uǝʌǝɹ sǝǝ ɥǝɹ ɔɐɹǝǝɹ qןossoɯ. ɥʎdoɔɹısʎ, sʇndıpıʇʎ, ظnpbɯǝuʇɐן, ɥoןıǝɹ-ʇɥɐu-ʇɥon ɯǝuʇɐןıʇʎ. ı sɐʎ, ظnsʇ ןıʌǝ ɐup ןǝʇ ןıʌǝ. I need a report button. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
 I would've gladly done the same thing if I could find older women who were up for it. XD | ||
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