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Keep your off topic discussions out of this thread and show some damn respect!
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
July 23 2011 22:11 GMT
#1381
Oh my god, just caught the interview with the killers laywer. He says the video and manifesto is about his network and himself, so there is more like him out there prepared to do the same.

I am not young enough to know everything.
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
July 23 2011 22:12 GMT
#1382
On July 24 2011 06:43 kekepop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 06:39 Dr_Jones wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:32 marttorn wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:25 loladin wrote:
NRK got some "expert" that saw a parallell between the events of Utøya and a post the killer made on a WoW forum saying what an "epic feeling it was to finally kill Nefarion".

Jesus Christ, how are these segments allowed to air?



Oh god, they started with the WoW thing >,> Assuming he did his deeds because of WoW is completely ludicrous, and theres no reason to assume so.

If playing WoW, a completely innocent game, is supposedly enough to give a person murderous thoughts, then owning a kitchen knife should make them go on a killing spree- >,<

Let's say that I kill someone. I have hair. That doesn't mean I murdered someone BECAUSE I have hair...


It was just a matter of time until they brougt it up, though.. that being said, it was just ONE small segment in a 16 hour day of continious news broadcasts, so let's not get our panties in a bunch just yet... Also find it interesting that they keep harping on WoW and still refrain from mentioning CoDMW2...



from his manifesto :| wait till they find this


Show nested quote +
February 2010

I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations.



Kotick would be unhappy...
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
July 23 2011 22:14 GMT
#1383
The more I look through this manifest the more I feel that reading the anarchist cookbook was like reading a tutorial on how to raise a kitten..

This whole thing definitly took years of calculated, ruthless and cold planning..

I consider my knowledge very solid when it comes to, from an ethical point of view horrible, but nonetheless effective applications of strategy (think Machiavelli, Robert Greene and similar things) but this dude is on a whole other, completely twisted, level.

Where on earth would you get the intention to pretty much determine years of your life to this from? I mean, fanatism, yes. But.. this stuff is just insane. Don't know what to say. :/

Those descriptions are so detailed that a handicapped monkey could learn from them.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
sidesprang
Profile Joined January 2009
Norway1033 Posts
July 23 2011 22:14 GMT
#1384
Not sure if this has been posted yet. But according too a girl that was on the island when it happend she saw kids at the age of 7-8 that had been shot. They had been working on the island picking up bottles for money. I'm speechless...

Link(Norwegian source)
Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
July 23 2011 22:15 GMT
#1385
On July 24 2011 07:11 Jiddra wrote:
Oh my god, just caught the interview with the killers laywer. He says the video and manifesto is about his network and himself, so there is more like him out there prepared to do the same.



You are assuming the "network" is not just in the killer's head. Let's hope it is.
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
July 23 2011 22:15 GMT
#1386
On July 24 2011 07:12 Bleak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 06:43 kekepop wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:39 Dr_Jones wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:32 marttorn wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:25 loladin wrote:
NRK got some "expert" that saw a parallell between the events of Utøya and a post the killer made on a WoW forum saying what an "epic feeling it was to finally kill Nefarion".

Jesus Christ, how are these segments allowed to air?



Oh god, they started with the WoW thing >,> Assuming he did his deeds because of WoW is completely ludicrous, and theres no reason to assume so.

If playing WoW, a completely innocent game, is supposedly enough to give a person murderous thoughts, then owning a kitchen knife should make them go on a killing spree- >,<

Let's say that I kill someone. I have hair. That doesn't mean I murdered someone BECAUSE I have hair...


It was just a matter of time until they brougt it up, though.. that being said, it was just ONE small segment in a 16 hour day of continious news broadcasts, so let's not get our panties in a bunch just yet... Also find it interesting that they keep harping on WoW and still refrain from mentioning CoDMW2...



from his manifesto :| wait till they find this


February 2010

I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations.



Kotick would be unhappy...


we might as well ban the bible then since a lot of serial killers and mass murderer say they were inspired by scripture.
Blix
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands873 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 22:17:12
July 23 2011 22:16 GMT
#1387
On July 24 2011 07:15 Kilby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 07:11 Jiddra wrote:
Oh my god, just caught the interview with the killers laywer. He says the video and manifesto is about his network and himself, so there is more like him out there prepared to do the same.



You are assuming the "network" is not just in the killer's head. Let's hope it is.


I'm afraid if millions read his crap, that if there doesnt exist a network now, there will exist one in the future
Conquer yourself not the world. - Descartes
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
July 23 2011 22:18 GMT
#1388
On July 24 2011 07:15 Psychobabas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 07:12 Bleak wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:43 kekepop wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:39 Dr_Jones wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:32 marttorn wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:25 loladin wrote:
NRK got some "expert" that saw a parallell between the events of Utøya and a post the killer made on a WoW forum saying what an "epic feeling it was to finally kill Nefarion".

Jesus Christ, how are these segments allowed to air?



Oh god, they started with the WoW thing >,> Assuming he did his deeds because of WoW is completely ludicrous, and theres no reason to assume so.

If playing WoW, a completely innocent game, is supposedly enough to give a person murderous thoughts, then owning a kitchen knife should make them go on a killing spree- >,<

Let's say that I kill someone. I have hair. That doesn't mean I murdered someone BECAUSE I have hair...


It was just a matter of time until they brougt it up, though.. that being said, it was just ONE small segment in a 16 hour day of continious news broadcasts, so let's not get our panties in a bunch just yet... Also find it interesting that they keep harping on WoW and still refrain from mentioning CoDMW2...



from his manifesto :| wait till they find this


February 2010

I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations.



Kotick would be unhappy...


we might as well ban the bible then since a lot of serial killers and mass murderer say they were inspired by scripture.
This is the media we are talking about here. Logic has no place in the media!
Peanutbutt3r
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark23 Posts
July 23 2011 22:19 GMT
#1389
On July 24 2011 07:06 Dystisis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 07:03 Peanutbutt3r wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:43 kekepop wrote:

Oh god, they started with the WoW thing >,> Assuming he did his deeds because of WoW is completely ludicrous, and theres no reason to assume so.

If playing WoW, a completely innocent game, is supposedly enough to give a person murderous thoughts, then owning a kitchen knife should make them go on a killing spree- >,<

Let's say that I kill someone. I have hair. That doesn't mean I murdered someone BECAUSE I have hair...

On July 24 2011 06:43 kekepop wrote:
It was just a matter of time until they brougt it up, though.. that being said, it was just ONE small segment in a 16 hour day of continious news broadcasts, so let's not get our panties in a bunch just yet... Also find it interesting that they keep harping on WoW and still refrain from mentioning CoDMW2...


from his manifesto :| wait till they find this.



February 2010

I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations.



Holy crap. When this becomes official.. Well, I'm glad I'm 18, seeing as if I was younger, my parents would probably ban video games from my life ( I might be overreacting a tiny bit : D ).

But I've been discussing whether video games played a major role in the shooting or not with my mom, who of course blindly blames it on the video games.

I saw a interview with a psychiatrist on danish television, but basically said that Anders isn't considered mentally ill.
But reading this statement from his manifesto, it basically proves the exact opposite.

What a sick fuck.

This doesn't prove that video games motivated him at all.

Most young guys play video games.

Most young guys don't commit terrorist attacks.


After reading that quote from the manifesto, I definitely feel like MW2 played a role in all of this.

And of course most people play video games. But I'm sure that the majority of those, don't consider the games as " training simulation "...
From the sky scraper, down to the submarine
Kilby
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland1069 Posts
July 23 2011 22:19 GMT
#1390
On July 24 2011 07:14 r.Evo wrote:
The more I look through this manifest the more I feel that reading the anarchist cookbook was like reading a tutorial on how to raise a kitten..

This whole thing definitly took years of calculated, ruthless and cold planning..

I consider my knowledge very solid when it comes to, from an ethical point of view horrible, but nonetheless effective applications of strategy (think Machiavelli, Robert Greene and similar things) but this dude is on a whole other, completely twisted, level.

Where on earth would you get the intention to pretty much determine years of your life to this from? I mean, fanatism, yes. But.. this stuff is just insane. Don't know what to say. :/

Those descriptions are so detailed that a handicapped monkey could learn from them.


I get the impression that he first started imaginating it and planning it in his head and then got motivated by it more and more along the way and it became is life goal and ultimately he had to fulfill it. Like a feedback loop that just gets stronger the longer it runs.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
July 23 2011 22:21 GMT
#1391
"Total weight of ANALFO, 18 bags = 900kg + 50kg ANALNM (inner charge) + 130kg (1 person + gear) + 80kg (mini MC) = 1160kg. The max carrying capacity of Volkswagen Crafter is 1340kg but it's safer to leave a certain safety margin, just in case."

Well, it exploded pretty hard.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
July 23 2011 22:21 GMT
#1392
MW2 is very unrealistic and not a "training simulator" at all compared to games like ArmA 2, this guy is completely wrong about that.
xarthaz
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1704 Posts
July 23 2011 22:21 GMT
#1393
hate to say it but Breivik seems to be a very intelligent and charismatic person with a well though out agenda and plan to carry it out, in a twisted fashion making himself seem as a martyr through the court case and the political view to which he sacrificed himself
Aah thats the stuff..
MinoMino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1103 Posts
July 23 2011 22:22 GMT
#1394
An interesting part of the manifesto:

I am required to build a capital base in order to fund the creation of the compendium. I don’t know if I will ever proceed with a martyrdom operation at this point as it simply seems too radical.

My plan A is to attempt to acquire 3 million Euro, in which case I plan to establish a pan-European organizational platform that will attempt to grow organically as a support organization which will distribute a “legal version” of the compendium.

If I fail to generate the specified amount I will move forward with the operation, in order to market the compendium that way.

As of 2005 I have managed to generate 500 000 Euro, but I am still 2,5 million Euro short. I will attempt to generate the remaining amount through continued stock/options speculation. I can afford to lose up to 250 000 Euro without it compromising the completion of the compendium and the subsequent effectuation of the operation.

Stock/option speculation did not work out. I will need to cut my losses and proceed to plan B.

After cutting my losses, I now have a minimum of funds to complete my two tasks (in excess of 250 000 Euro).

He failed to generate the funds he had planned. He got to 4 million NOK, then lost 2 million NOK in the stock market. This meant that he had to go with plan B, proceed with the martyrdom operation, which is what he did. Basically, the whole massacre was done to promote this very thing I'm reading in order to start a movement. He wrote about the possibility of living through it and getting arrested, like he did, and he explains that this will be used to promote it even further.
Blah.
Lankeer
Profile Joined July 2011
35 Posts
July 23 2011 22:23 GMT
#1395
This guy had better be sentenced to death. I fail to see how you can let somebody that killed ~70 people survive.
trNimitz
Profile Joined October 2010
204 Posts
July 23 2011 22:23 GMT
#1396
On July 24 2011 07:21 Cassel_Castle wrote:
MW2 is very unrealistic and not a "training simulator" at all compared to games like ArmA 2, this guy is completely wrong about that.

You just had to say it out loud didn't you?
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
July 23 2011 22:24 GMT
#1397
On July 24 2011 07:23 trNimitz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 07:21 Cassel_Castle wrote:
MW2 is very unrealistic and not a "training simulator" at all compared to games like ArmA 2, this guy is completely wrong about that.

You just had to say it out loud didn't you?


Everyone was thinking it, someone had to say it.

Also, didn't download the PDF as I don't want to support martyrdom or have a record of downloading instructions to create explosives.
reisada
Profile Joined September 2010
183 Posts
July 23 2011 22:25 GMT
#1398
3.23 The cruel nature of our operations


“We do not want to do this, but we are left no choice.”


The 3-phase-process of destroying and replacing the current cultural Marxist/ multiculturalist regimes of Western Europe will not be easy or painless. Keep in mind that these regimes we are fighting have and are still committing genocide against the indigenous peoples of Europe by exposing them to more than 25 million Muslims. They have indirectly killed more than 15 000 Europeans, raped more than 500 000 European women, robbed and terrorised more than 4,5 million Europeans, fired more than 37 000 cultural conservatives from their jobs and incarcerated more than 150 000 brothers and sisters for opposing their policies.

As a Justiciar Knight you are operating as a jury, judge and executioner on behalf of all free Europeans. Never forget that it is not only your right to act against the tyranny of the cultural Marxist/multiculturalist elites of Europe, it is your duty to do so.

There are situations in which cruelty is necessary, and refusing to apply necessary cruelty is a betrayal of the people whom you wish to protect.


The preferred method is to attack in a violent and deceptive form (shock attack), usually with limited forces (1-2 individuals).


Once you decide to strike, it is better to kill too many than not enough, or you risk reducing the desired ideological impact of the strike. Explain what you have done (in an announcement distributed prior to operation) and make certain that everyone understands that we, the free peoples of Europe, are going to strike again and again. Do not apologise, make excuses or express regret for you are acting in self-defence or in a preemptive manner. In many ways, morality has lost its meaning in our struggle. The question of good and evil is reduced to one simple choice. For every free patriotic European, only one choice remains: Survive or perish. Some innocent will die in our operations as they are simply at the wrong place at the wrong time. Get used the idea. The needs of the many will always surpass the needs of the few.


oh my god... what sickening way of thinking
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14081 Posts
July 23 2011 22:26 GMT
#1399
On July 24 2011 07:19 Kilby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 07:14 r.Evo wrote:
The more I look through this manifest the more I feel that reading the anarchist cookbook was like reading a tutorial on how to raise a kitten..

This whole thing definitly took years of calculated, ruthless and cold planning..

I consider my knowledge very solid when it comes to, from an ethical point of view horrible, but nonetheless effective applications of strategy (think Machiavelli, Robert Greene and similar things) but this dude is on a whole other, completely twisted, level.

Where on earth would you get the intention to pretty much determine years of your life to this from? I mean, fanatism, yes. But.. this stuff is just insane. Don't know what to say. :/

Those descriptions are so detailed that a handicapped monkey could learn from them.


I get the impression that he first started imaginating it and planning it in his head and then got motivated by it more and more along the way and it became is life goal and ultimately he had to fulfill it. Like a feedback loop that just gets stronger the longer it runs.


The dedicated "every reading handicapped monkey will be able to follow in my footsteps"-part is what really scares me. It's just all so incredibly in-depth and analytical down to like every single fucking scenario that could happen during "an operation".
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18869 Posts
July 23 2011 22:26 GMT
#1400
On July 24 2011 07:19 Peanutbutt3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 07:06 Dystisis wrote:
On July 24 2011 07:03 Peanutbutt3r wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:43 kekepop wrote:

Oh god, they started with the WoW thing >,> Assuming he did his deeds because of WoW is completely ludicrous, and theres no reason to assume so.

If playing WoW, a completely innocent game, is supposedly enough to give a person murderous thoughts, then owning a kitchen knife should make them go on a killing spree- >,<

Let's say that I kill someone. I have hair. That doesn't mean I murdered someone BECAUSE I have hair...

On July 24 2011 06:43 kekepop wrote:
It was just a matter of time until they brougt it up, though.. that being said, it was just ONE small segment in a 16 hour day of continious news broadcasts, so let's not get our panties in a bunch just yet... Also find it interesting that they keep harping on WoW and still refrain from mentioning CoDMW2...


from his manifesto :| wait till they find this.



February 2010

I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations.



Holy crap. When this becomes official.. Well, I'm glad I'm 18, seeing as if I was younger, my parents would probably ban video games from my life ( I might be overreacting a tiny bit : D ).

But I've been discussing whether video games played a major role in the shooting or not with my mom, who of course blindly blames it on the video games.

I saw a interview with a psychiatrist on danish television, but basically said that Anders isn't considered mentally ill.
But reading this statement from his manifesto, it basically proves the exact opposite.

What a sick fuck.

This doesn't prove that video games motivated him at all.

Most young guys play video games.

Most young guys don't commit terrorist attacks.


After reading that quote from the manifesto, I definitely feel like MW2 played a role in all of this.

And of course most people play video games. But I'm sure that the majority of those, don't consider the games as " training simulation "...

In almost all cases, the criminally insane merely look for excuses, "justifiable" reasons for why and how they act. To look at the mention of an FPS, an incredibly inaccurate one in terms of real world application, and look at it as anything more than the rantings of a crazy person is silly.
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