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On July 24 2011 06:32 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 06:25 loladin wrote:
NRK got some "expert" that saw a parallell between the events of Utøya and a post the killer made on a WoW forum saying what an "epic feeling it was to finally kill Nefarion".
Jesus Christ, how are these segments allowed to air? Oh god, they started with the WoW thing >,> Assuming he did his deeds because of WoW is completely ludicrous, and theres no reason to assume so. If playing WoW, a completely innocent game, is supposedly enough to give a person murderous thoughts, then owning a kitchen knife should make them go on a killing spree- >,< Let's say that I kill someone. I have hair. That doesn't mean I murdered someone BECAUSE I have hair...
This happen with Columbine and Marilyn Manse I do believe (i.e. the murderers music tastes were seen as cause of their murderousness), hopefully the Media has grown up a bit since then but I doubt it.
Still shocked and still thinking about these poor people. fucksake...
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On July 24 2011 06:32 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 06:25 loladin wrote:
NRK got some "expert" that saw a parallell between the events of Utøya and a post the killer made on a WoW forum saying what an "epic feeling it was to finally kill Nefarion".
Jesus Christ, how are these segments allowed to air? Oh god, they started with the WoW thing >,> Assuming he did his deeds because of WoW is completely ludicrous, and theres no reason to assume so. If playing WoW, a completely innocent game, is supposedly enough to give a person murderous thoughts, then owning a kitchen knife should make them go on a killing spree- >,< Let's say that I kill someone. I have hair. That doesn't mean I murdered someone BECAUSE I have hair...
Same bullshit that idiot mass media sticks onto like flies on a shit. Stop blaming video games or music for this!
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Man, the document is disturbing to read, yet very fascinating. D:
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On July 24 2011 06:32 marttorn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 06:25 loladin wrote:
NRK got some "expert" that saw a parallell between the events of Utøya and a post the killer made on a WoW forum saying what an "epic feeling it was to finally kill Nefarion".
Jesus Christ, how are these segments allowed to air? Oh god, they started with the WoW thing >,> Assuming he did his deeds because of WoW is completely ludicrous, and theres no reason to assume so. If playing WoW, a completely innocent game, is supposedly enough to give a person murderous thoughts, then owning a kitchen knife should make them go on a killing spree- >,< Let's say that I kill someone. I have hair. That doesn't mean I murdered someone BECAUSE I have hair...
It was just a matter of time until they brougt it up, though.. that being said, it was just ONE small segment in a 16 hour day of continious news broadcasts, so let's not get our panties in a bunch just yet... Also find it interesting that they keep harping on WoW and still refrain from mentioning CoDMW2...
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On July 24 2011 06:21 BestZergOnEast wrote:
Everyone acts so sanctimonious and holier then though in these situations. Guess what? 60 kids just died of malaria in sub saharan africa. Personally I feel nothing when I hear that people in a far off country died. Should I pretend to be upset? Should I express condolances I don't really feel? Why should I care about the death of these individuals, when I am apathetic to the 10,000 other people who died today?
That's one view point. But some people genuinely feel sorrow or grief when people they don't know die. Some people cry when they see a puppy getting hurt. Personally I'm always more interested in these sorts of things from an analytical perspective than an emotional one. And let's not forget that TL is an international community and there are actual people from Norway that post here. To them, this incident isn't in some faraway distant land. If you aren't upset by this than that's fine. But you seem to be upset about something. Otherwise, why make this post? It brings nothing constructive to the discussion.
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On July 24 2011 06:36 MinoMino wrote:
Man, the document is disturbing to read, yet very fascinating. D:
Man everyone who gets fascinated by this manifest should consider:
Even if hes clever and has proper arguments everything seems to fit in ... its just plain hate, hate on everyone, hate on humans it self... if u conclude his thinking u have to kill everyone in the end becouse most of it is just a perspective to live and just a attemp to figure it out. He has no love in his soul he has no mercy and so its all on non-human thinking a robot could do ....
WE ARE HUMANS WE SHOULD ACT LIKE HUMANS.
Stop try to use logic everywhere and on everything. Becouse youre logic is just as good as youre perspective... consider this and you will find a true way of living.
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On July 24 2011 06:05 Deleuze wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 06:03 PeZuY wrote:
Oh man, heard about this just by now :s made me speechless and angry at the same time. Feeling so bad for all the victims and their families who has not done anything wrong to deserve shit like this. I hope this ain't terrorist attack(?), I just don't understand at all : (
This really doesnt help islamic community at all, another step back now. It is sad that it is just a small parties of islamic (extremists) who does this shit : (, I wonder what kind of this world would be without any religion? Um, this was not done by an islamist group. It was done by some neo-nazi motherfucker. Please read the OP, a newspaper, a newsite.
"It was done by some neo-nazi motherfucker." I haven't read much about the mofo but was he part of a neo-nazi movment ? Anyway, you forgot "catholic" in your description (when nutjobs are islamists people never forget to mention it, so I think it should only be fair other religions get their 5 minutes of glory too).
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On July 24 2011 06:39 Dr_Jones wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 06:32 marttorn wrote:On July 24 2011 06:25 loladin wrote:
NRK got some "expert" that saw a parallell between the events of Utøya and a post the killer made on a WoW forum saying what an "epic feeling it was to finally kill Nefarion".
Jesus Christ, how are these segments allowed to air? Oh god, they started with the WoW thing >,> Assuming he did his deeds because of WoW is completely ludicrous, and theres no reason to assume so. If playing WoW, a completely innocent game, is supposedly enough to give a person murderous thoughts, then owning a kitchen knife should make them go on a killing spree- >,< Let's say that I kill someone. I have hair. That doesn't mean I murdered someone BECAUSE I have hair... It was just a matter of time until they brougt it up, though.. that being said, it was just ONE small segment in a 16 hour day of continious news broadcasts, so let's not get our panties in a bunch just yet... Also find it interesting that they keep harping on WoW and still refrain from mentioning CoDMW2...
from his manifesto :| wait till they find this
February 2010
I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations.
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On July 24 2011 06:43 kekepop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 06:39 Dr_Jones wrote:On July 24 2011 06:32 marttorn wrote:On July 24 2011 06:25 loladin wrote:
NRK got some "expert" that saw a parallell between the events of Utøya and a post the killer made on a WoW forum saying what an "epic feeling it was to finally kill Nefarion".
Jesus Christ, how are these segments allowed to air? Oh god, they started with the WoW thing >,> Assuming he did his deeds because of WoW is completely ludicrous, and theres no reason to assume so. If playing WoW, a completely innocent game, is supposedly enough to give a person murderous thoughts, then owning a kitchen knife should make them go on a killing spree- >,< Let's say that I kill someone. I have hair. That doesn't mean I murdered someone BECAUSE I have hair... It was just a matter of time until they brougt it up, though.. that being said, it was just ONE small segment in a 16 hour day of continious news broadcasts, so let's not get our panties in a bunch just yet... Also find it interesting that they keep harping on WoW and still refrain from mentioning CoDMW2... from his manifesto :| wait till they find this Show nested quote +February 2010
I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations.
what a sick motherfucekr
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On July 24 2011 06:43 Eurekastreet wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 06:05 Deleuze wrote:On July 24 2011 06:03 PeZuY wrote:
Oh man, heard about this just by now :s made me speechless and angry at the same time. Feeling so bad for all the victims and their families who has not done anything wrong to deserve shit like this. I hope this ain't terrorist attack(?), I just don't understand at all : (
This really doesnt help islamic community at all, another step back now. It is sad that it is just a small parties of islamic (extremists) who does this shit : (, I wonder what kind of this world would be without any religion? Um, this was not done by an islamist group. It was done by some neo-nazi motherfucker. Please read the OP, a newspaper, a newsite. "It was done by some neo-nazi motherfucker." I haven't read much about the mofo but was he part of a neo-nazi movment ? Anyway, you forgot "catholic" in your description (when nutjobs are islamists people never forget to mention it, so I think it should only be fair other religions get their 5 minutes of glory too).
He was actually associated with the EDL (read OP and my linked post in the OP, Killer section). The EDL basicly seems to be a right-wing organisation that's stating they're not part of any neo-nazi movement. So, yeah... read up on it if you need more infos.
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On July 24 2011 06:43 kekepop wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 06:39 Dr_Jones wrote:On July 24 2011 06:32 marttorn wrote:On July 24 2011 06:25 loladin wrote:
NRK got some "expert" that saw a parallell between the events of Utøya and a post the killer made on a WoW forum saying what an "epic feeling it was to finally kill Nefarion".
Jesus Christ, how are these segments allowed to air? Oh god, they started with the WoW thing >,> Assuming he did his deeds because of WoW is completely ludicrous, and theres no reason to assume so. If playing WoW, a completely innocent game, is supposedly enough to give a person murderous thoughts, then owning a kitchen knife should make them go on a killing spree- >,< Let's say that I kill someone. I have hair. That doesn't mean I murdered someone BECAUSE I have hair... It was just a matter of time until they brougt it up, though.. that being said, it was just ONE small segment in a 16 hour day of continious news broadcasts, so let's not get our panties in a bunch just yet... Also find it interesting that they keep harping on WoW and still refrain from mentioning CoDMW2... from his manifesto :| wait till they find this Show nested quote +February 2010
I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations. Oh dear lord...
This will be going places...
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On July 24 2011 06:41 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 06:36 MinoMino wrote:
Man, the document is disturbing to read, yet very fascinating. D: Man everyone who gets fascinated by this manifest should consider: Even if hes clever he and has proper arguments everything seems to fit in ... its just plain hate, hate on everyone, hate on humans it self... if u conclude his thinking u have to kill everyone in the end becouse most of it is just a perspective to live and just a attemp to figure it out. He has no love in his soul he has no mercy and so its all on non-human thinking a robot could do .... WE ARE HUMANS WE SHOULD ACT LIKE HUMANS. Stop try to use logic everywhere and on everything. Becouse youre logic is just as good as youre perspective... consider this and you will find a true way of living.
I've got to be honest, I don't quite understand everything you're trying to say, but I think you may be misunderstanding what I meant with "fascinating". I find it fascinating to read how a madman thinks. He has planned this for so long, he is intelligent and really hard-working, yet he somehow sees the world completely different. That's why I find it fascinating, it's not that I'm agreeing with him or something like that.
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The manifesto just reeks of obsessive psychotic writing. Many pages of text about even some smallest details. I can just imagine him writing this shit alone in a dark room night after night. Really gives me the shivers.
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On July 24 2011 06:41 Chilling5pr33 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 06:36 MinoMino wrote:
Man, the document is disturbing to read, yet very fascinating. D: Man everyone who gets fascinated by this manifest should consider: Even if hes clever and has proper arguments everything seems to fit in ... its just plain hate, hate on everyone, hate on humans it self... if u conclude his thinking u have to kill everyone in the end becouse most of it is just a perspective to live and just a attemp to figure it out. He has no love in his soul he has no mercy and so its all on non-human thinking a robot could do .... WE ARE HUMANS WE SHOULD ACT LIKE HUMANS. Stop try to use logic everywhere and on everything. Becouse youre logic is just as good as youre perspective... consider this and you will find a true way of living.
I'm pretty sure most people who are fascinated by his manifest are perfectly aware that it's more or less pure hate all the way through. It's perfectly possibly to find something your completely disagree with very fascinating, perhaps even easier because it gives insight into thought's that you could never even conceive of thinking.
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On July 24 2011 06:50 Kilby wrote:
The manifesto just reeks of obsessive psychotic writing. Many pages of text about even some smallest details. I can just imagine him writing this shit alone in a dark room night after night. Really gives me the shivers.
yea, exactly what i mean saying this feels so damn unreal, like straight out of some pyscho-thriller... :s
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On July 24 2011 06:46 Thorakh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 06:43 kekepop wrote:On July 24 2011 06:39 Dr_Jones wrote:On July 24 2011 06:32 marttorn wrote:On July 24 2011 06:25 loladin wrote:
NRK got some "expert" that saw a parallell between the events of Utøya and a post the killer made on a WoW forum saying what an "epic feeling it was to finally kill Nefarion".
Jesus Christ, how are these segments allowed to air? Oh god, they started with the WoW thing >,> Assuming he did his deeds because of WoW is completely ludicrous, and theres no reason to assume so. If playing WoW, a completely innocent game, is supposedly enough to give a person murderous thoughts, then owning a kitchen knife should make them go on a killing spree- >,< Let's say that I kill someone. I have hair. That doesn't mean I murdered someone BECAUSE I have hair... It was just a matter of time until they brougt it up, though.. that being said, it was just ONE small segment in a 16 hour day of continious news broadcasts, so let's not get our panties in a bunch just yet... Also find it interesting that they keep harping on WoW and still refrain from mentioning CoDMW2... from his manifesto :| wait till they find this February 2010
I just bought Modern Warfare 2, the game. It is probably the best military simulator out there and it’s one of the hottest games this year. I played MW1 as well but I didn’t really like it as I’m generally more the fantasy RPG kind of person – Dragon Age Origins etc .and not so much into first person shooters. I see MW2 more as a part of my training-simulation than anything else. I’ve still learned to love it though and especially the multiplayer part is amazing. You can more or less completely simulate actual operations. Oh dear lord... This will be going places...
The dude must have really been insane to think MW2 was able to simulate actual operations.
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On July 24 2011 06:48 MinoMino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2011 06:41 Chilling5pr33 wrote:On July 24 2011 06:36 MinoMino wrote:
Man, the document is disturbing to read, yet very fascinating. D: Man everyone who gets fascinated by this manifest should consider: Even if hes clever he and has proper arguments everything seems to fit in ... its just plain hate, hate on everyone, hate on humans it self... if u conclude his thinking u have to kill everyone in the end becouse most of it is just a perspective to live and just a attemp to figure it out. He has no love in his soul he has no mercy and so its all on non-human thinking a robot could do .... WE ARE HUMANS WE SHOULD ACT LIKE HUMANS. Stop try to use logic everywhere and on everything. Becouse youre logic is just as good as youre perspective... consider this and you will find a true way of living. I've got to be honest, I don't quite understand everything you're trying to say, but I think you may be misunderstanding what I meant with "fascinating". I find it fascinating to read how a madman thinks. He has planned this for so long, he is intelligent and really hard-working, yet he somehow sees the world completely different. That's why I find it fascinating, it's not that I'm agreeing with him or something like that.
HEHE
I dont blame you at all still i found youre words somehow not well choosen...
That masage wasnt for you 
Still this could catch some lonely souls just want to prevent that :D
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So there is a manifesto now. Great. Even though he chose to kill as many as possible in a single attack he seems to have a lot in common with the stereotypical serial killer profile. A full blown psychopath, farily smart, who considers himself above everyone else. At first I thought the shootings might be driven by anger somehow, but it seems he's even a sicker fuck than that. It sounds like he was methodically walking around on the island, trying to spread as much fear as possible, and, I assume, enjoying the feeling of being in control.
Of course, he got to "control" the media exactly the way he wanted too, which didn't hesitate to use the two PR-photos he planted on the new facebook account in every news article following the reveal of his identity. And now we get the "manifesto", which will certainly get all the publicity he could have wished for.
I really hope the guy himself fades from everyone's memory as fast as possible.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/BFMTV#p/u/18/KDqxYSpd5Lg (french)
This guy reminds me of Battle Royal :/ Maybe watching japanese drama makes you also a serial killer, as well as playing rogue on WoW...
Its so crazy I can't understand how he could do this... I found no media explaining why... (true reason I mean, other than he loved Modern Warfare)
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There are problems in Europe. However, they are nothing compared to the problems we see in other continents. Our problems have nothing to do with "multiculturalism" like this maniac claims. The same is true of the problems in other continents.
This event, if anything, shows what hate and division breeds. I have absolutely no respect for anyone who can agree with the ideas that led this man to his actions.
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