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Keep your off topic discussions out of this thread and show some damn respect!
Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 21:10:56
July 23 2011 21:08 GMT
#1301
On July 24 2011 06:05 CCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 05:37 EndOfTime88 wrote:
This really was the wrong way to bring attention to these problems within Europe. More than anything acting this extreme has hurt his cause.

My condolences to all the families involved.


Uuhm. Dude are you for real?
"The wrong way to bring attention to these problems?" Are you SICK?
"Hurt his cause?" WHAT?? Dude, could you please GET OUT of this thread? NOW?


issue has been dropped, post removed
DBOWNIZZ
Profile Joined April 2011
United States66 Posts
July 23 2011 21:09 GMT
#1302
Suuuuper depressing....I can hardly breath after reading, what one of the survivors wrote.
" Aaaannnd see you next time"
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
July 23 2011 21:09 GMT
#1303
On July 24 2011 06:08 CCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 06:04 EndOfTime88 wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:00 Shockk wrote:
On July 24 2011 05:52 EndOfTime88 wrote:
On July 24 2011 05:47 Shockk wrote:
On July 24 2011 05:37 EndOfTime88 wrote:
This really was the wrong way to bring attention to these problems within Europe. More than anything acting this extreme has hurt his cause.

My condolences to all the families involved.


Despite your expression of condolences, your post is completely devoid of respect. Considering what you just wrote, I'm hard-pressed not to interpret the "88" in your nickname too much. You better stop posting.


I didn't really elaborate because I didn't think I needed to.

What this individual did was disturbing and sickening, that however does not mean I am not entitled to my own political views.

I in no way condone what was done, and do feel sympathy condolences for everyone affected by this incident.

PS:88 is my birth year smart guy.


Considering that your very first comment to the shootings was that this "was the wrong way to bring attention to these problems withing Europe" with the condolences following afterwards, the 88 might as well have meant something else.

It apparently didn't - fine - which still doesn't mean this is the right place to express your views. You're certainly entitled to them, whatever they might be, but that doesn't change the fact that your post was, as I said earlier, lacking respect.



I agree in retrospect what I said was a little insensitive, and a thread about this tragedy isn't a place to try to spread ideas. If you look at my other post I make that clear.


"No need to get into it here, out of respect for the families and severity of the recent incident.

Just upsetting someone would act in this way and think it's beneficial to anyone."

I didn't come in here for a debate. This was a tragic event, that was senseless and did not need to occur.

The end.

Dude, NO ONE, really, NO ONE, wants your "ideas". Who are you to come to this thread an make posts like that? People are greving. Some even knew people who died there. And you really think anyone wants anyone here who is open for those "ideas" and sees those "problems"? Are you sane?



Ok he said The End. Drop it. this is not the place for discuss of this sort. DROP IT.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
TipsyMan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States16 Posts
July 23 2011 21:10 GMT
#1304
In my opinion, this whole situation is good because it is shrinking the ever growing over-population and balancing the human race to not be too OP for other animals (Lions, Birds, Snakes) in this world. I think that other animals should be supeior and if anything humans should not.

User was banned for this post.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
July 23 2011 21:11 GMT
#1305
On July 24 2011 06:10 TipsyMan wrote:
In my opinion, this whole situation is good because it is shrinking the ever growing over-population and balancing the human race to not be too OP for other animals (Lions, Birds, Snakes) in this world. I think that other animals should be supeior and if anything humans should not.


You son of a bitch.

FU
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11792 Posts
July 23 2011 21:11 GMT
#1306
On July 24 2011 06:10 TipsyMan wrote:
In my opinion, this whole situation is good because it is shrinking the ever growing over-population and balancing the human race to not be too OP for other animals (Lions, Birds, Snakes) in this world. I think that other animals should be supeior and if anything humans should not.

Please just ignore this troll and don't react to him.
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 21:12:38
July 23 2011 21:11 GMT
#1307
And I thought the massacre itself was unreal .... that manifesto and how he perceived the world, the future scenarios that he "foresaw", the efforts he had put into this .... fkn unbelievable. I'm literally speechless.
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
r.Evo
Profile Joined August 2006
Germany14080 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 21:13:44
July 23 2011 21:12 GMT
#1308
On July 24 2011 06:05 Thorakh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 05:45 tharid wrote:
I just browsed over the manifesto with my roommate. We both were shocked about the rhetorical and logical strength of this document. I mean, look at the literature used; also the points about the Frankfurt School.

For everyone who did not read it yet: Beware, this compedium is pure poison. I have a feeling that it will spread out like fire in the future days, and it surely will hit some people who aren't as much aware of politics as I am.
I just watched the video and I have this creeping suspicion that it contains some truth (while I don't even want to), even if his methods are completely wrong. This could be pure poison indeed. Why do I get the feeling this wasn't the last of it.

Gah I feel ashamed now... but I can't help it. It's probably just my lack of knowledge on the matter.


The first link to the .docx (It was posted by someone who apparently got the email himself) jumped from about 300 downloads when I first took note of it to almost 19000.

The youtube video hit 1500ish before it got taken down, the other video source has 4000ish views. Not even counting torrents, it's definitly spreading and is easily attainable.

That's part of the reason I recommended sending this to proper authorities asap, historians, professors who are into that type of subject, etc.


Edit: Please, for the love of this thread and the whole shitfest, including the families and friends of victims, stop turning this into a flamefest. This is not 4chan.
"We don't make mistakes here, we call it happy little accidents." ~Bob Ross
CCow
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany335 Posts
July 23 2011 21:12 GMT
#1309
On July 24 2011 06:08 Phenny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 06:05 CCow wrote:
On July 24 2011 05:37 EndOfTime88 wrote:
This really was the wrong way to bring attention to these problems within Europe. More than anything acting this extreme has hurt his cause.

My condolences to all the families involved.


Uuhm. Dude are you for real?
"The wrong way to bring attention to these problems?" Are you SICK?
"Hurt his cause?" WHAT?? Dude, could you please GET OUT of this thread? NOW?


What's wrong with that post? It was most definitely the wrong way to bring attention to the problems (depending if you consider them to be so) that affect much of Europe these days. It's also true that his extreme actions have brought everyone together rather than worked in his favour, there's nothing particularly insensitive or objectionable in the post.


You think there is nothing wrong to make a post in this thread agreeing with the suspects view on the "problems" there are in Europe? You don't think this is any problematic?
I mean, sure. He made it WAAAY better pointing out that "acting this extreme" hurt his "cause". Because yeah, we would have LOOOOVED anything that would have been less extreme in order to help that "cause". Really?
You think the 88 with those posts is a coincidence? Really?
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
July 23 2011 21:12 GMT
#1310
Shit like this makes me wonder why we don't use anymore the fine roman tradition of damnatio memoriae. This guy used mass-murder as a marketing ploy just to distribute his idiotic ramblings to everyone, hoping to influence some weak-minded far-right tools. Probably, he's going to use his trial as a tribune to spew even more shit. The best punishment for him would be to erase his name from our history and to make disappear all the poisonous shit he wrote.

Sadly, it is impossible now. I just hope that the police of our countries will pay more attention from now on to the far-right groups. They are frustrated enough to actually idolize this sad excuse for a human being, and gullible enough to read and believe all the crap he wrote.

And yes, i'm mad.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
July 23 2011 21:12 GMT
#1311
On July 24 2011 06:10 TipsyMan wrote:
In my opinion, this whole situation is good because it is shrinking the ever growing over-population and balancing the human race to not be too OP for other animals (Lions, Birds, Snakes) in this world. I think that other animals should be supeior and if anything humans should not.
Lol.

Why don't you kill yourself then?
EndOfTime88
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria259 Posts
July 23 2011 21:12 GMT
#1312
On July 24 2011 06:08 CCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 06:04 EndOfTime88 wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:00 Shockk wrote:
On July 24 2011 05:52 EndOfTime88 wrote:
On July 24 2011 05:47 Shockk wrote:
On July 24 2011 05:37 EndOfTime88 wrote:
This really was the wrong way to bring attention to these problems within Europe. More than anything acting this extreme has hurt his cause.

My condolences to all the families involved.


Despite your expression of condolences, your post is completely devoid of respect. Considering what you just wrote, I'm hard-pressed not to interpret the "88" in your nickname too much. You better stop posting.


I didn't really elaborate because I didn't think I needed to.

What this individual did was disturbing and sickening, that however does not mean I am not entitled to my own political views.

I in no way condone what was done, and do feel sympathy condolences for everyone affected by this incident.

PS:88 is my birth year smart guy.


Considering that your very first comment to the shootings was that this "was the wrong way to bring attention to these problems withing Europe" with the condolences following afterwards, the 88 might as well have meant something else.

It apparently didn't - fine - which still doesn't mean this is the right place to express your views. You're certainly entitled to them, whatever they might be, but that doesn't change the fact that your post was, as I said earlier, lacking respect.



I agree in retrospect what I said was a little insensitive, and a thread about this tragedy isn't a place to try to spread ideas. If you look at my other post I make that clear.


"No need to get into it here, out of respect for the families and severity of the recent incident.

Just upsetting someone would act in this way and think it's beneficial to anyone."

I didn't come in here for a debate. This was a tragic event, that was senseless and did not need to occur.

The end.

Dude, NO ONE, really, NO ONE, wants your "ideas". Who are you to come to this thread an make posts like that? People are greving. Some even knew people who died there. And you really think anyone wants anyone here who is open for those "ideas" and sees those "problems"? Are you sane?


You're the one who's starting a confrontation in this thread sir. I meant no disrespect and a previous poster said exactly what I intended to. I am merely looking at the cause of what happened, and why it didn't need to happen. Relax.
"Time is what we want most,but what we use worst."-William Penn
chronomancer
Profile Joined May 2011
United States29 Posts
July 23 2011 21:12 GMT
#1313
On July 24 2011 06:05 Thorakh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 05:45 tharid wrote:
I just browsed over the manifesto with my roommate. We both were shocked about the rhetorical and logical strength of this document. I mean, look at the literature used; also the points about the Frankfurt School.

For everyone who did not read it yet: Beware, this compedium is pure poison. I have a feeling that it will spread out like fire in the future days, and it surely will hit some people who aren't as much aware of politics as I am.
I just watched the video and I have this creeping suspicion that it contains some truth (while I don't even want to), even if his methods are completely wrong. This could be pure poison indeed. Why do I get the feeling this wasn't the last of it.

Gah I feel ashamed now... but I can't help it. It's probably just my lack of knowledge on the matter.


i skimmed over a page or two. there's a lot better literature that i can fill up my time with. even if there is a bit of truth there what he did should completely make this "manifesto" into the "deranged thoughts of a emotionally disturbed twat"
CCow
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany335 Posts
July 23 2011 21:14 GMT
#1314
On July 24 2011 06:10 TipsyMan wrote:
In my opinion, this whole situation is good because it is shrinking the ever growing over-population and balancing the human race to not be too OP for other animals (Lions, Birds, Snakes) in this world. I think that other animals should be supeior and if anything humans should not.


...sadness...
Thorakh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 21:16:54
July 23 2011 21:16 GMT
#1315
On July 24 2011 06:12 chronomancer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 06:05 Thorakh wrote:
On July 24 2011 05:45 tharid wrote:
I just browsed over the manifesto with my roommate. We both were shocked about the rhetorical and logical strength of this document. I mean, look at the literature used; also the points about the Frankfurt School.

For everyone who did not read it yet: Beware, this compedium is pure poison. I have a feeling that it will spread out like fire in the future days, and it surely will hit some people who aren't as much aware of politics as I am.
I just watched the video and I have this creeping suspicion that it contains some truth (while I don't even want to), even if his methods are completely wrong. This could be pure poison indeed. Why do I get the feeling this wasn't the last of it.

Gah I feel ashamed now... but I can't help it. It's probably just my lack of knowledge on the matter.


i skimmed over a page or two. there's a lot better literature that i can fill up my time with. even if there is a bit of truth there what he did should completely make this "manifesto" into the "deranged thoughts of a emotionally disturbed twat"
Yeah but that's the problem. This is going to get a lot of attention and for lesser political informed people, like me for example, this could get bad as it seems to be very well written (even if the content might be pure bullshit).

Combine that with the already present xenophobia and uuurghhh...

Maybe I'm just a doomsayer.
EndOfTime88
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria259 Posts
July 23 2011 21:16 GMT
#1316
On July 24 2011 06:12 CCow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2011 06:08 Phenny wrote:
On July 24 2011 06:05 CCow wrote:
On July 24 2011 05:37 EndOfTime88 wrote:
This really was the wrong way to bring attention to these problems within Europe. More than anything acting this extreme has hurt his cause.

My condolences to all the families involved.


Uuhm. Dude are you for real?
"The wrong way to bring attention to these problems?" Are you SICK?
"Hurt his cause?" WHAT?? Dude, could you please GET OUT of this thread? NOW?


What's wrong with that post? It was most definitely the wrong way to bring attention to the problems (depending if you consider them to be so) that affect much of Europe these days. It's also true that his extreme actions have brought everyone together rather than worked in his favour, there's nothing particularly insensitive or objectionable in the post.


You think there is nothing wrong to make a post in this thread agreeing with the suspects view on the "problems" there are in Europe? You don't think this is any problematic?
I mean, sure. He made it WAAAY better pointing out that "acting this extreme" hurt his "cause". Because yeah, we would have LOOOOVED anything that would have been less extreme in order to help that "cause". Really?
You think the 88 with those posts is a coincidence? Really?


Yes I do think extreme actions like this are senseless and there's other ways to go about bringing attention to the problems surrounding Europe. Calm down if you don't share my views, oh well, I'm not here to debate it.

PS:88 is my birth year, as previously stated.
"Time is what we want most,but what we use worst."-William Penn
chronomancer
Profile Joined May 2011
United States29 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 21:24:09
July 23 2011 21:17 GMT
#1317
On July 24 2011 06:10 TipsyMan wrote:
In my opinion, this whole situation is good because it is shrinking the ever growing over-population and balancing the human race to not be too OP for other animals (Lions, Birds, Snakes) in this world. I think that other animals should be supeior and if anything humans should not.


bad troll is bad troll humans will eventually do themselves in too many cheeseburgers is one way. your opinion is pretty fucking retarded though but that's just my opinion

On July 24 2011 06:12 chronomancer wrote:
Show nested quote +


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i skimmed over a page or two. there's a lot better literature that i can fill up my time with. even if there is a bit of truth there what he did should completely make this "manifesto" into the "deranged thoughts of a emotionally disturbed twat"
Yeah but that's the problem. This is going to get a lot of attention and for lesser political informed people, like me for example, this could get bad as it seems to be very well written (even if the content might be pure bullshit).

Combine that with the already present xenophobia and uuurghhh...

Maybe I'm just a doomsayer.


meh hopefully those people who take it seriously, fail to educate themselves on these subjects, and only take this as the "word of god" after what he did will out themselves before they do any harm to society.

smfd
Profile Joined June 2004
United States423 Posts
July 23 2011 21:19 GMT
#1318
i heard it was alqaeda
cellblock
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden206 Posts
July 23 2011 21:20 GMT
#1319
Here is the video preview of the compendium
http://www.veoh.com/watch/v21123164bZCBQeZ8
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-23 21:20:53
July 23 2011 21:20 GMT
#1320
CCow please stop you are totally overreacting to his posts.

Both of you just stop posting in here for a bit.
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