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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
February 01 2019 20:35 GMT
#14341
In a situation where a coworker, with whom one has to work daily, is spouting racist and sexist "jokes" and outright slurs regularly, is one complicit in the bigotry by not speaking out against it in the interest of a smooth and conflict free workday?

Having conflicting thoughts on the subject in my own life and would like some validation or advice.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9296 Posts
February 01 2019 20:39 GMT
#14342
Is he spouting those near people who could be a target of such jokes?
You're now breathing manually
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 01 2019 20:41 GMT
#14343
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Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
February 01 2019 20:53 GMT
#14344
More often than not it's only around other white guys but not always. The issue also is that as far as I can tell I'm the only one that doesn't appreciate the jokes, including management. It's construction and i know that's no excuse but it seems to permeate the culture of the job.

Follow-up: if one speaks out and receives vitriol or nothing changes, is it still complicity to thereafter not say anything as it has been shown not to accomplish anything?
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 01 2019 21:33 GMT
#14345
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23905 Posts
February 01 2019 21:54 GMT
#14346
On February 02 2019 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
More often than not it's only around other white guys but not always. The issue also is that as far as I can tell I'm the only one that doesn't appreciate the jokes, including management. It's construction and i know that's no excuse but it seems to permeate the culture of the job.

Follow-up: if one speaks out and receives vitriol or nothing changes, is it still complicity to thereafter not say anything as it has been shown not to accomplish anything?


Yes. But lots of jobs are have complicity in as a job requirement. Like it's pretty hard to be a top boss until you've fired a quality employee with a family that depends on them for costing the company too much money because they've worked there too long and been too loyal.

So ignoring some racism is far from the worst stuff people do to make sure their paycheck keeps coming, but it's also appropriate to feel complicit if you don't stop it/stop working there.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18278 Posts
February 02 2019 08:02 GMT
#14347
On February 02 2019 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
More often than not it's only around other white guys but not always. The issue also is that as far as I can tell I'm the only one that doesn't appreciate the jokes, including management. It's construction and i know that's no excuse but it seems to permeate the culture of the job.

Follow-up: if one speaks out and receives vitriol or nothing changes, is it still complicity to thereafter not say anything as it has been shown not to accomplish anything?

Does your company have some way of logging complaints with HR? Most companies do, and larger companies take it very seriously. You don't necessarily need to confront him directly, if you're afraid that will negatively impact your own situation.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
February 02 2019 09:01 GMT
#14348
On February 02 2019 17:02 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2019 05:53 Fecalfeast wrote:
More often than not it's only around other white guys but not always. The issue also is that as far as I can tell I'm the only one that doesn't appreciate the jokes, including management. It's construction and i know that's no excuse but it seems to permeate the culture of the job.

Follow-up: if one speaks out and receives vitriol or nothing changes, is it still complicity to thereafter not say anything as it has been shown not to accomplish anything?

Does your company have some way of logging complaints with HR? Most companies do, and larger companies take it very seriously. You don't necessarily need to confront him directly, if you're afraid that will negatively impact your own situation.

No HR department it's a small company. Obviously I could stop working there or file some sort of complaint to the government but the financial and opportunity cost of doing so would set me back a great deal. The owner of the company is arguably more toxic than the initial person I referenced, I just hardly interact with him.

I guess I just have to deal with it on a personal level, accept the deal with the devil I made in silence, or find myself back at square one career-wise.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-02 16:56:44
February 02 2019 16:47 GMT
#14349
If management is fine with it, then there isn't much you can do, especially if you don't have the financial wherewithal to do so. You can however make it known is that you don't accept that kind of behaviour so he is less likely to express it around you, but you will have to accept the consequences of doing so, depending on group dynamics.

Oh and don't accept that it is because it is the culture of "construction". It is not. When I was younger I worked in a few manual labour jobs and in any of them anybody making regularily making racist slurs would soon find that their behaviour is considered unacceptable.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
February 12 2019 00:43 GMT
#14350
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Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
February 12 2019 02:17 GMT
#14351
Let's look at some stuff.
Hippos weigh ~1600kg. Orcas weigh ~4500kg.
Orcas can take out Walruses, which are a bit less heavy than Hippos, but it still gives us an idea about what they're capable of. Hippos and Walruses both rely on their bulk for protection against foes (though Hippos are generally more aggressive and less reliant on packs than Walruses).
Hippos are able to retaliate against and kill both lions and crocodiles, but both of these predators pale in comparison to Killer Whales. They've been known to prey on Southern Elephant Seals (~3000kg), far bigger than hippos. Hippos are also far less mobile than these animals, and their attacks aren't nearly as damaging underwater as they are on land.
Despite the numbers advantage, I'd say the Orca wins hands down.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
Atreides
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2393 Posts
February 12 2019 03:02 GMT
#14352
How deep is the water? id say for the hippos to even have a chance we'd have to give them a beach type setting, where they are standing on solid ground and the orca is coming in on them in the classic 'take the seal off the beach attack' but its a little hard to envision this being a 'fight'. If they are swimming around in open water its not a fight though either.

In reference to above, marine mammals (be they walruses, stellar sea lions, elephant seals, etc) are far far more at home and agile actually swimming than a hippo and they still have essentially no chance beyond escape.
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11813 Posts
February 12 2019 20:25 GMT
#14353
So, i just went into the space thread, and read this:



And it made me mad, and got me thinking:

Mad, because what kind of shitty unit of measurement is "metric ton of force". We already have a perfectly good unit for force in the metric (SI) system. It is called the Newton. It is very well defined. One Newton is the Force needed to accelerate 1 kg of mass at an acceleration of 1m/s².

Why would you feel the need to bring the horrible system that uses the same unit for mass and force into a system that doesn't do something as monumentally stupid? I get it that that is advertisement talk aimed at americans, and to a lot of americans "Metric ton" simply means "very heavy" or "a lot". But still. It is such a bad idea to use the same units for force and mass, and even more stupid is to base a unit of measurment on something as un-universal as surface gravity of earth. A nice quote from wikipedia with regards to this:

"Kilogram-force is a non-standard unit and is classified in SI Metric System as a unit that is unacceptable for use with SI."

Digging deeper into wikipedia seems to suggest that that unit is for inexplicable reasons actually used by a bunch of space programs, and i can't figure out why one would do that when a perfectly fine and well defined unit exists to describe the same thing.

Now, to my question:

Does anyone have experience teaching physics to high school children in the US? Specifically, introductory stuff that deals with force and mass. As someone who is in the process of becoming a physics teacher here in Germany, I know that it is already hard enough to convince children here that force and mass are not the same thing, especially since you usually mostly talk about the force of gravity when you introduce forces. It sounds like that would be made a lot harder if you actually used the same units for both things. And it seems like explaining that something with a mass of 1 pound doesn't have the weight-force of one pound on the surface of the moon is incredibly confusing.

If anyone knows about how this is dealt with, i would be interested.

And i would also be interested in more general stuff on how physics teachers in the US deal with that horrible system of units that you use over there. Do you introduce SI units which are only used during physics class, or do you try to calculate stuff with all the horrible conversion factors that you need to use in the US system? It seems to me as if that both ways would make it even harder for students to understand (and thus for teachers to teach) this stuff.
kidcrash
Profile Joined September 2009
United States623 Posts
February 12 2019 20:46 GMT
#14354
What is the most extreme re-entry scenario a person could survive without a parachute given that the capsule was built to both withstand the impact/heat and help the person survive inside? How would the interior be built to allow the person to survive that absolute insane whiplash and decelerate them safely?
tw!tch
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States563 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-25 18:53:11
February 25 2019 05:46 GMT
#14355
Maybe this is a stupid question?

Calm vs Mini, ASL S7, Calm has 1800+ minerals in the bank, and in one second goes down under 100. Game time is 9:59.

youtu.be

How does that even happen? They show his hatcheries, he doesn't have any larva making, and its too fast to select a bunch of upgrades. What gives?

*edit* Yeah this really was a stupid question. They talk about it on stream but I wasn't originally watching with sound. Doh.
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5112 Posts
February 25 2019 12:19 GMT
#14356
I'm quite certain the spectator view was bugged. Tasteless mentioned it several times and both Artosis and Tasteless had differences in their spectator screen, like they were watching a different game. At some point it was switched out to which I assume was the correct one, but I'm not sure on the exact thing that went down at that moment.
Taxes are for Terrans
Oshuy
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands529 Posts
February 25 2019 12:27 GMT
#14357
On February 13 2019 05:46 kidcrash wrote:
What is the most extreme re-entry scenario a person could survive without a parachute given that the capsule was built to both withstand the impact/heat and help the person survive inside? How would the interior be built to allow the person to survive that absolute insane whiplash and decelerate them safely?


Not sure I get the question. If we chose (by design) not to have a parachute, then we can get a safe deceleration and landing using wings or thrusters.

If there is a malfunction on the parachute on a lander that was designed to use one, you will (of course) get a crash at terminal velocity for the lander. Usually, would be far easier to build redundancy on the parachutes than to try and get a safe landing both with and without the parachutes.

If the goal is to build a scenario where the passengers survive impact at terminal velocity based on current capsule designs:
  • if we do not know of the parachute failure before hand, it is almost impossible: the capsule are set to crash on water and will simply desintegrate on impact with everyone dead onboard. Perhaps if it falls within a watersprout to the slope of a high enough wave, the passengers could survive long enough to drown?
  • If we have time to prepare, then we can build unrealistic scenarii like catching the capsule with a net, preparing a cushion to receive it or sending kidcrash skydiving to attach a new parachute to the falling capsule.
Coooot
tw!tch
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States563 Posts
February 25 2019 12:44 GMT
#14358
On February 25 2019 21:19 Uldridge wrote:
I'm quite certain the spectator view was bugged. Tasteless mentioned it several times and both Artosis and Tasteless had differences in their spectator screen, like they were watching a different game. At some point it was switched out to which I assume was the correct one, but I'm not sure on the exact thing that went down at that moment.


Ah, ok, fair enough. Thanks man
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7162 Posts
February 25 2019 13:59 GMT
#14359
On February 13 2019 05:25 Simberto wrote:
So, i just went into the space thread, and read this:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1093424663269523456

And it made me mad, and got me thinking:

Mad, because what kind of shitty unit of measurement is "metric ton of force". We already have a perfectly good unit for force in the metric (SI) system. It is called the Newton. It is very well defined. One Newton is the Force needed to accelerate 1 kg of mass at an acceleration of 1m/s².

Why would you feel the need to bring the horrible system that uses the same unit for mass and force into a system that doesn't do something as monumentally stupid? I get it that that is advertisement talk aimed at americans, and to a lot of americans "Metric ton" simply means "very heavy" or "a lot". But still. It is such a bad idea to use the same units for force and mass, and even more stupid is to base a unit of measurment on something as un-universal as surface gravity of earth. A nice quote from wikipedia with regards to this:

"Kilogram-force is a non-standard unit and is classified in SI Metric System as a unit that is unacceptable for use with SI."

Digging deeper into wikipedia seems to suggest that that unit is for inexplicable reasons actually used by a bunch of space programs, and i can't figure out why one would do that when a perfectly fine and well defined unit exists to describe the same thing.


I'm just happy they use the metric system at all to be honest.

~ 1700 kN is quite awesome. Normal plane engines do about 500 kN afaik

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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-02-25 15:49:54
February 25 2019 15:49 GMT
#14360
In UK we use SI units for everything, though most of us can easily convert to Imperial measurement, because a lot of old guys use it and it's hard to shrug off American influence since they are everywhere. Though I do vaguely remember a funny story about some guy in NASA that blew up a rocket because he forgot to convert.

Not sure about metric ton as a unit of force, though maybe that's peculiar to rocketry, but for a unit of thrust, lb is pretty common. I don't know why the Americans use weight as a measurement of force. I blame the British.
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