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just want to point out with this how useless this poll is in my eyes.
Banning halal/kosher butchering - Page 34
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tadL
Croatia679 Posts
or destroying planet for our living conditiouns choose just want to point out with this how useless this poll is in my eyes. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
For fuck's sake, this thread doesn't even have any real relevance to a religious or theological discourse. If you can't actually deal with what this whole argument is about, then don't post. Don't bring in your half-baked reason with your philosophical and theological ignorance. It's a grotesque red herring that spits on everything. | ||
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Cifer
United Kingdom69 Posts
This issue is really funny from my perspective, because jews and muslims apply the same argument for animal welfare for killing the fast rather than being mass electrocuted or suffocated. Both sides should stop talking about stuff they don't know. | ||
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UFO
582 Posts
On June 30 2011 07:50 Euronyme wrote: Like why do people still not read the thread? What's wrong with your eyes? There was even a guy linking a test done by scientists that shows that slitting the throat of the animal is less painful than stunning it. BOOM. And who cares anyway. It dies fairly quickly however you do it, and it's obviously more humane or whatever to do it the religious way. Just because it's religious doesn't mean it's bad... Just that it's probably bad. I dunno where all these PETA guys comes from. First the policeman killing a dog thread, where poeple says that he should be put down for murder and shit, and now this. And you claim this link is all one needs to believe that it really is so. BOOM. Here, you have a link. Scientists proved. BOOM. Who cares about animal being killed in the name of a religious ritual. BOOM. Imagine your throat was about to be sliced. 5 minutes or so and you are gone. Why worry ? Guess what, the animal feels as well but BOOM why would you care. BOOM. | ||
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SlayerSBriefS
United States37 Posts
i've killed chickens and pigs when i was with my grandparents in china. i just kinda held the chicken down and chopped off its neck. nothing wrong with killing animals for meat halal/kosher all day errrryday PETA just gotta get over it User was warned for this post | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
Unless ofc the majority of those voters were vegetarians but I somehow doubt that. EDIT: I'm post 666.  | ||
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Chibithor
Brazil514 Posts
On June 30 2011 12:20 SlayerSBriefS wrote: people kill animals all over this world in every country all the time for food i've killed chickens and pigs when i was with my grandparents in china. i just kinda held the chicken down and chopped off its neck. nothing wrong with killing animals for meat halal/kosher all day errrryday PETA just gotta get over it Did you even read the first post. Nobody is actually arguing about killing animals. It's about how it's done. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
On June 30 2011 12:15 UFO wrote: And you claim this link is all one needs to believe that it really is so. BOOM. Here, you have a link. Scientists proved. BOOM. Who cares about animal being killed in the name of a religious ritual. BOOM. Imagine your throat was about to be sliced. 5 minutes or so and you are gone. Why worry ? Guess what, the animal feels as well but BOOM why would you care. BOOM. You're using your own personal conjecture to try refute a documented scientific test. For those have done research, it would seem that the throat cutting is done because it is the least painful and quickest way to slaughter the animal. That is the entire point of it. | ||
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Euronyme
Sweden3804 Posts
On June 30 2011 12:15 UFO wrote: And you claim this link is all one needs to believe that it really is so. BOOM. Here, you have a link. Scientists proved. BOOM. Who cares about animal being killed in the name of a religious ritual. BOOM. Imagine your throat was about to be sliced. 5 minutes or so and you are gone. Why worry ? Guess what, the animal feels as well but BOOM why would you care. BOOM. Yes I do. If it's tested, it's proven until proven false. I don't give a fuck about animals dying because of a "religious ritual". They'd die anyway. This is for the food industry. If I were you I'd worry more about what conditions they're in when they're alive. Animals generally don't know what a knife is, and having your throat sliced doesn't actually hurt if you do it right. It's like a paper cut. Even if it hurt life fuck it wouldn't matter cause they'd be dead in a matter of seconds. I want my kebab. | ||
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AngryFarmer
United States560 Posts
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br34ch
Germany12 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:23 AngryFarmer wrote: None. I personally don't believe animals can feel and if they do, it doesn't matter. As long as it's the cheaper method, I'd prefer it. Animals can't feel? WTF I've seen the so called cosher killing of sheep and I say THEY FEEL IT and it's terrible. They should go for the boltshot that breaks their skull. That's cheap and after that, they feel nothing. | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:23 AngryFarmer wrote: None. I personally don't believe animals can feel and if they do, it doesn't matter. As long as it's the cheaper method, I'd prefer it. You're an animal too, dingus. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
But he's a human, and his purpose of existence isn't to be food either | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
On July 01 2011 00:13 Blasterion wrote: But he's a human, and his purpose of existence isn't to be food either Sure it is, worm food. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On June 30 2011 16:23 AngryFarmer wrote: None. I personally don't believe animals can feel and if they do, it doesn't matter. As long as it's the cheaper method, I'd prefer it. And I personally don't believe the Earth is round. Seriously wtf? Of course animals can feel, even plants can feel to some extent. I'm in favour of animal welfare, but going against religious beliefs would cause more problems than its worth so I disagree with the proposed changes. Also its been said, but the poll is really biased. | ||
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Armut
Turkey141 Posts
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Lanfire
Netherlands151 Posts
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Rabbitmaster
1357 Posts
On July 01 2011 00:31 Armut wrote: This is so obviously done with the intention to alienate the Muslim and Jewish societies. Some kind of show of strength in an useless way. Animal welfare? Give me a break, Western companies treat animals ruthlessly. Just to poke something in the circle to make people disturbed. I doubt most people here concerned about animal welfare approves very much of the industrial slaughter in general, however it is an unfortunate consequence of capitalism but that is an unrelated point to this discussion. My point is that you can not justify "animal cruelty", even in the form of religious tradition, by saying "other people treat animals badly, therefore we can as well". On July 01 2011 00:31 Armut wrote: This is so obviously done with the intention to alienate the Muslim and Jewish societies. Are you fucking serious?! I might as well say that the religious slaughter of animals is obviously an attempt to alienate secularists, atheists and animal activists. Religious tradition? Give me a break! On July 01 2011 00:33 Lanfire wrote: halal/kosher butcherin of animals can be very painless for animals when it is done correctly. When i accindently cut myself with a really sharp knife i dont feel anything. Nice argument. Have you ever been close to bleeding to death? Can't say that i personally have either, but i have once bled so much i atleast lost conciousness. And i can tell you from personal experience that it was of the most obnoxious things i have ever experienced. The nausea is incredible, your vision starts to blur and you get tunnelvision. Then you throw up, feel even more terrible, and then you pass out. Atleast that is my experience on the matter. Can't really compare bleeding to death to cutting a finger on a sharp knife. Thats like saying that being strangled is not painful, because holding your hands around your neck is not. | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
On June 30 2011 15:10 bkrow wrote: You're using your own personal conjecture to try refute a documented scientific test. For those have done research, it would seem that the throat cutting is done because it is the least painful and quickest way to slaughter the animal. That is the entire point of it. Altho this is possible, I think the reason people are sceptical of this (the fact that halal/kosher slaughter is less painfull then slaughter with stun/sedation) is because in the end the major foodindustry chooses to stun/anestesise the animals. This costs money and time (and time is money yay!). This wouldnt be something they put in themselves unless there was either some benefit to it or a regulation forcing them to do it. Now, i'm assuming that apart from the benefit that the animals suffer less there aren't a great many reasons why a company would go trough a relatively expensive and time consuming procedure to chop off the animals head afterwards. Assuming then, that it's regulated , I would also assume that this regulation is there for the benefit of the animals welfare/condition. I'm not trying to say one thing or the other, but this is where my assumptions leave me. If i'm wrong in any of my assumptions please let me know to shed some more light on this. | ||
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RoarMan
Canada745 Posts
On July 01 2011 00:31 Armut wrote: This is so obviously done with the intention to alienate the Muslim and Jewish societies. Some kind of show of strength in an useless way. Animal welfare? Give me a break, Western companies treat animals ruthlessly. Just to poke something in the circle to make people disturbed. Honestly anyone who voted Animal Welfare but still eats meat is just a hypocrite lol. Westerners do not treat animals any better than a butcher who is using Halal or a Kosher method. Animals are still regularly abused and mistreated before their time of execution. | ||
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