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tokicheese
Canada739 Posts
Stop saying it's even close to related criminalization dammit. If you want FREE MONEY they can out w/e restrictions they want on it it's not like your working for it. People act so entitled with welfare now its ridiculous. It should be a privilege not a right imo. It's more complicated than you would think when you stop and think... | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:03 Light`iu wrote: Fact: Weed is not the only illegal drug in the United States. Then is it possible that this isn't only about weed, guys? Oh my goodness...I never would have thought. Point: Stop talking as if circumventing positive tests for weed is the issue at hand. Uh...I don't know what country you think you're talking about, but weed IS the only illegal drug in the entire world. Please get your facts straight. There exist no other illegal drugs besides weed, Heroin and cocaine are only in the movies. They do not exist. | ||
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manawah
123 Posts
On top if this they should make everyone they give welfare to bring in receipts for all expenses for the previous month. Discrepancies = automatic drug test and audit and counseling. Failing a drug test should get them assigned to rehab clinic instead of just cancelling support. Personally I would take the hard road and just cut them off since its proven the money is just used to buy drugs. Since the easy money is gone they have 2 choices 1. get a job and go legit or 2. get money criminally, eventually get caught and put where they can't get drugs easily or harm anyone. | ||
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Supamang
United States2298 Posts
On June 10 2011 07:54 travis wrote: This is wrong for multiple reasons, the primary one being that people should be allowed to spend their welfare check on weed if they want to. Is this a joke?? Weed and other drugs theyre testing for are illegal. The federal government is giving out the money, they should be allowed to restrict their handouts to people who actually follow their laws. People who have illegal drugs would normally be put in jail, let alone refused welfare checks. I mean seriously now, ordinary citizens are not allowed under US law to buy weed with their own money. Why should people on welfare be given an exception? | ||
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.Wilsh.
United States133 Posts
On June 10 2011 05:10 Omnipresent wrote: I don't do drugs, but I would absolutely object. That's really irrelevant though. The constitution prevents the state from requiring the test in the first place. Well to be fair the Constitution doesn't really allow for taxpayers money to be given out to people. "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison aka the father of the constitution. | ||
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Light`iu
Spain51 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:04 RoosterSamurai wrote: Uh...I don't know what country you think you're talking about, but weed IS the only illegal drug in the entire world. Please get your facts straight. There exist no other illegal drugs besides weed, Heroin and cocaine are only in the movies. They do not exist. Lol. My mistake! ^^ | ||
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goiflin
Canada1218 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:05 .Wilsh. wrote: Well to be fair the Constitution doesn't really allow for taxpayers money to be given out to people. "I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents." - James Madison aka the father of the constitution. You're right. Let's force schools to advertise to your children so that they can give them an education, since that's a benevolent object that comes out of money taken from the people. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:02 RoosterSamurai wrote: You get like $200 a month, and you have to have a child/children to be on welfare. Good luck keeping yourself and your kid(s) fed, and still have money left to buy pot! lol I am saying that if somebody is going to spend their money on weed rather than feeding their kids, then it has to do with them being a selfish asshole, rather than them being a pot smoker. On June 10 2011 08:03 sunprince wrote: People might be more inclined to agree with you if weed were legal (even if it should be, it currently isn't), and if weed was the only thing they were testing for. The government does have a legitimate interest in ensuring that welfare dollars are spent on the things they were intended for. yes but welfare has nothing to do with law enforcement. and it's entirely possible for somebody to spend welfare money on food or bills and smoke weed with their friends or have a pot plant in their house. they are singling something out that isn't even necessarily related to where people are spending their money. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:02 RoosterSamurai wrote: You get like $200 a month, and you have to have a child/children to be on welfare. Really?  | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
Yeah. Welfare =! Social Security or Disability. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:05 Supamang wrote: Is this a joke?? Weed and other drugs theyre testing for are illegal. The federal government is giving out the money, they should be allowed to restrict their handouts to people who actually follow their laws. People who have illegal drugs would normally be put in jail, let alone refused welfare checks. no.. it's not a joke. many of you seem to think that because they are getting welfare it's justifiable for them to be drug tested. I disagree with this as I don't see the connection between getting welfare and smoking weed. More addictive drugs I'd actually agree with the policy but weed can be used recreationally. I mean seriously now, ordinary citizens are not allowed under US law to buy weed with their own money. Why should people on welfare be given an exception? It's illegal regardless of whether or not they are drug tested, there would be no exception.. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On June 10 2011 07:54 travis wrote: This is wrong for multiple reasons, the primary one being that people should be allowed to spend their welfare check on weed if they want to. I'm a pretty liberal person generally but I simply don't agree with this. Welfare money is pretty much a pure drain on the country in terms of money. If these people are collecting this money from everyone's tax dollars I would really appreciate it if they didn't spend it on getting high. If they use it to pay rent, get food, and otherwise try to make their lives better so they can get out of welfare? Great....however if they just stay on welfare because it's free money and buy drugs with it all day, that's really not okay.. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6641 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:10 RoosterSamurai wrote: Yeah. Welfare =! Social Security or Disability. Oh I see, I thought that it just meant "benefits" as they're all called here. | ||
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acker
United States2958 Posts
On June 10 2011 07:07 shinosai wrote: You're not forced to do something if you could choose to do otherwise. Got murdered? You didn't have much of a choice on the dying part, I'd say it was forced. Decided to fill out a welfare application.... doesn't sound forced to me unless there's someone holding a gun to your head. How about cancer or malnutrition? People die from things that they cannot choose to avoid all the time. Or, on the other end, armed robbery, where you get to "choose" between your life or your wallet. I suppose people could forgo welfare checks and, I don't know, get denied medical care and other things most would consider basic human rights in a first world country. But it's bizarre that you're saying that people aren't forced to sign up for welfare because "no one is holding a gun to their head" when, in many cases, they do. On June 10 2011 07:09 smokeyhoodoo wrote: Did you know that context is integral to the English language? Probably. But I still don't understand why "forced" is necessarily limited to humans and institutions in this situation. There are plenty of other reasons why someone might be "forced" into doing something other than humans or institutions | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:11 jello_biafra wrote: Oh I see, I thought that it just meant "benefits" as they're all called here. I'm pretty sure we're just talking about true welfare. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:11 Jayme wrote: I'm a pretty liberal person generally but I simply don't agree with this. Welfare money is pretty much a pure drain on the country in terms of money. If these people are collecting this money from everyone's tax dollars I would really appreciate it if they didn't spend it on getting high. wtf does this even mean. what do you think happens to welfare money? that they put it away in lockboxes never to be seen again? If they use it to pay rent, get food, and otherwise try to make their lives better so they can get out of welfare? Great....however if they just stay on welfare because it's free money and buy drugs with it all day, that's really not okay.. So you get to say what they spend their money on to be comfortable, basically? Weed doesn't fit in here but food does? Why not just give them food stamps. Do they need electricity? Why? Do they need things like ice cream? Some people like to smoke weed it's really not a big deal and it isn't exactly the most expensive thing in the world. So many of you are going to say my argument is retarded, but it's really not. Welfare isn't meant just to keep people alive. It's very easy to do that with very very little money. It's to keep them at a certain standard of living. | ||
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Justanx
United States240 Posts
On June 10 2011 04:34 SpoR wrote: I don't do drugs and I think its a fucking hassle, an invasion of privacy, and a waste of time every time I'm tested for something. Not to mention a waste of time and money from the state as well (for all the clean people obviously). Then don't go on welfare. Can't have it your way and want the money as well. Testing is really not that expensive now a days. Quick litmus to look for Top 3 drugs or particulates. Then it gets sent for further testing if found. If all people were as honest as you are then there would be no need to test. Unemployment and welfare are two different entities. Unemployment is paid out of your pay check, whereas welfare is a state run organization paid by the taxes of others. | ||
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Lixler
United States265 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:13 acker wrote: How about cancer or malnutrition? People die from things that they cannot choose to avoid all the time. I suppose people could forgo welfare checks and, I don't know, starve to death or get denied medical care or something. But it's bizarre that you're saying that people aren't forced to sign up for welfare because "no one has a gun to their head" when, in many cases, they do. Probably. But I still don't understand why "forced" is necessarily limited to humans and institutions in this situation. He's talking about forced by the government. If some private individual or circumstance forces you to consent to a search of your property, this is not the same thing as a government worker forcibly searching it without a warrant. He's not saying "No one has to sign up for welfare to live," he's saying "The government is not violating the Fourth Amendment because consenting to these drug tests is not mandatory." | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On June 10 2011 08:15 travis wrote: wtf does this even mean. what do you think happens to welfare money? that they put it away in lockboxes never to be seen again? So you get to say what they spend their money on to be comfortable, basically? Weed doesn't fit in here but food does? Why not just give them food stamps. Do they need electricity? Why? Do they need things like ice cream? Some people like to smoke weed it's really not a big deal and it isn't exactly the most expensive thing in the world. So many of you are going to say my argument is retarded, but it's really not. Welfare isn't meant just to keep people alive. It's very easy to do that with very very little money. It's to keep them at a certain standard of living. Weed or no weed, i'll bet sitting at home all day eating cereal and hot dogs is better than getting up every god damn morning to go into work, so you can pay for someone else to sit around and neglect their children. | ||
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Jaso
United States2147 Posts
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