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On June 09 2011 02:21 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:11 Roflhaxx wrote:On June 09 2011 01:11 absalom86 wrote:On June 09 2011 00:42 splinter9 wrote:On June 09 2011 00:32 gold_ wrote:On June 09 2011 00:27 splinter9 wrote:On June 09 2011 00:23 gold_ wrote:On June 09 2011 00:17 splinter9 wrote:On June 09 2011 00:03 gold_ wrote:On June 08 2011 23:56 splinter9 wrote:
way too many idealistic 16 year old school boys with all the answers in here. In life there are double standards everywhere go learn to live with it.
Can someone please bring up the stats of how many rapes happen women on man vs. Men on women. I don't know the stats by my guess is that they are staggeringly in favour of the latter. You guys can fight it all you want with your revolutionary equal-ism talk. But you just have to realize that boys doing this to a girl is totally different. Mind you its not inexcusable for the girls, to act like this.
For those of you that seem to think men and women are equal, can you explain why i have balls and my wife doesn't? Another piss poor stereotype here, we aren't all 16 years old. You and your wife are EQUAL in regards to your rights as a person, like me and my wife are EQUAL. Why should what hangs or doesn't hang between your legs allow you to more or less rights? It shouldn't, and doesn't. Yes on paper women and men should be equal. But there are many grey areas of life that you can't just "paint with one pleasing colour". This happens to be one of those areas. Ill give another example of one of these "grey areas" I don't know if you have children but lets say you have a daughter and a son both seventeen and they tell you they are going to a party tonight where they will be only hanging out with people of the opposite sex. Tell me who are you more worried for? I actually have a son & daughter, I treat them equally and always will. I will not show biased for either, and tell them both to be careful. I love them both equally. I am sorry for the way your mind works, did something bad happen to you? Or you just brainwashed by news? you didn't answer my question. Yet you skillfully danced around the subject. Yes my daughter and son will be treated equally 95% of the time. To treat them absolutely equally is ridiculous and not even possible girls and boys have totally different upbringing. I am not dancing around any question.... ? I WILL treat both my kids equally, you opinion won't change my mind. What do you mean have different upbringings? If my daughter wants to play soccer like my son, so be it. My son and daughter both go to dance class, nothing wrong with that either. If either of my kids cry, I will hug them and help them with whatever there problem is. How or why should I treat them differently? actually your still dancing. Yes with those simple life issues that you mentioned yes they are obviously going to be treated 1000% equally. If my daughter gets a cookie so will my son. I will also kiss my son's "bobo's" better t. I will sing them both sweet lullabys to fall asleep at night. But if i catch my son banging a 24 year old when he is 17 vs my daughter doing the same you better believe i wont be treating them equally. Dude get your head checked. You are the definition of sexism. Actually not really "Sexism, a term coined in the mid-20th century, is the belief or attitude that one sex is inherently superior to, more competent than, or more valuable than the other. It can also include this type of discrimination in regards to gender." - Wikipedia He is just saying that he would be more worried about is daughter, because it is a chance chance that she will get raped at a party then his son..obviously.. Here's another definition " Sexism -behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex " "But if i catch my son banging a 24 year old when he is 17 vs my daughter doing the same you better believe i wont be treating them equally." "Im not saying id pat my son on the back, but it would'nt keep me up at night worrying the same way it would with my daughter. If that sexist then im proud to be your definetion of a sexist" These are things he said. His son would be just as likely to get an std, a number of things could happen to him, just as bad as what could happen to his daughter, but its clear he subscribes to the helpless victim stereotypes. He even admits he would barely be worried about his son in that situation. Yes, there are generally biological differences between boys and girls. It's best to parent/judge accordingly based on the person themselves, not their gender, clearly something this person would not do. "You're a girl? NO SEX WITH SOMEONE ABOVE YOUR AGE!!!" "Screwing that 30 year old milf, son? Nice job buddy!"
Yeah, but he couldn't get pregnant.
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On June 09 2011 02:26 EmeraldSparks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:21 Olinim wrote:On June 09 2011 02:11 Roflhaxx wrote:On June 09 2011 01:11 absalom86 wrote:On June 09 2011 00:42 splinter9 wrote:On June 09 2011 00:32 gold_ wrote:On June 09 2011 00:27 splinter9 wrote:On June 09 2011 00:23 gold_ wrote:On June 09 2011 00:17 splinter9 wrote:On June 09 2011 00:03 gold_ wrote:
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Another piss poor stereotype here, we aren't all 16 years old. You and your wife are EQUAL in regards to your rights as a person, like me and my wife are EQUAL. Why should what hangs or doesn't hang between your legs allow you to more or less rights? It shouldn't, and doesn't. Yes on paper women and men should be equal. But there are many grey areas of life that you can't just "paint with one pleasing colour". This happens to be one of those areas. Ill give another example of one of these "grey areas" I don't know if you have children but lets say you have a daughter and a son both seventeen and they tell you they are going to a party tonight where they will be only hanging out with people of the opposite sex. Tell me who are you more worried for? I actually have a son & daughter, I treat them equally and always will. I will not show biased for either, and tell them both to be careful. I love them both equally. I am sorry for the way your mind works, did something bad happen to you? Or you just brainwashed by news? you didn't answer my question. Yet you skillfully danced around the subject. Yes my daughter and son will be treated equally 95% of the time. To treat them absolutely equally is ridiculous and not even possible girls and boys have totally different upbringing. I am not dancing around any question.... ? I WILL treat both my kids equally, you opinion won't change my mind. What do you mean have different upbringings? If my daughter wants to play soccer like my son, so be it. My son and daughter both go to dance class, nothing wrong with that either. If either of my kids cry, I will hug them and help them with whatever there problem is. How or why should I treat them differently? actually your still dancing. Yes with those simple life issues that you mentioned yes they are obviously going to be treated 1000% equally. If my daughter gets a cookie so will my son. I will also kiss my son's "bobo's" better t. I will sing them both sweet lullabys to fall asleep at night. But if i catch my son banging a 24 year old when he is 17 vs my daughter doing the same you better believe i wont be treating them equally. Dude get your head checked. You are the definition of sexism. Actually not really "Sexism, a term coined in the mid-20th century, is the belief or attitude that one sex is inherently superior to, more competent than, or more valuable than the other. It can also include this type of discrimination in regards to gender." - Wikipedia He is just saying that he would be more worried about is daughter, because it is a chance chance that she will get raped at a party then his son..obviously.. Here's another definition " Sexism -behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex " "But if i catch my son banging a 24 year old when he is 17 vs my daughter doing the same you better believe i wont be treating them equally." "Im not saying id pat my son on the back, but it would'nt keep me up at night worrying the same way it would with my daughter. If that sexist then im proud to be your definetion of a sexist" These are things he said. His son would be just as likely to get an std, a number of things could happen to him, just as bad as what could happen to his daughter, but its clear he subscribes to the helpless victim stereotypes. He even admits he would barely be worried about his son in that situation. Yes, there are generally biological differences between boys and girls. It's best to parent/judge accordingly based on the person themselves, not their gender, clearly something this person would not do. "You're a girl? NO SEX WITH SOMEONE ABOVE YOUR AGE!!!" "Screwing that 30 year old milf, son? Nice job buddy!" Yeah, but he couldn't get pregnant.
Umm so what? He could get the other chick pregnant...
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I wouldn't have to raise that kid and neither my son. Id have to raise my daughter's or have an abortion both situations much worse then vice versa with my son.
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On June 09 2011 02:26 Akta wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 01:16 splinter9 wrote:
i don't see how you see those situations as equal. A 17 year old boy in that spot is just getting his kicks. Where as a girl is literally putting her life in danger wheather she knows it or not. Im not saying id pat my son on the back, but it would'nt keep me up at night worrying the same way it would with my daughter. If that sexist then im proud to be your definetion of a sexist Sure, a lot of people subconsciously or deliberately value females higher than men. But if you claim that it's more dangerous to be a female as well I'd like to see some sources, because as far as I know it's generally more dangerous to be a man than a woman, by a large margin.
Yes it is definently more dangerous to be a man in the sense that they are more likely, to rob a bank, assault someone,get in a fist fight etc.. . Not because women are snatching men of the street s and murdering them.
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On June 09 2011 02:30 splinter9 wrote:
I wouldn't have to raise that kid and neither my son. Id have to raise my daughter's or have an abortion both situations much worse then vice versa with my son.
Or give it up for adoption. Also your son would still have to pay child support so yeah.
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So after reading last page's back-and-forth between splinter9 and gold_ I can't help but ask, regarding
I don't know if you have children but lets say you have a daughter and a son both seventeen and they tell you they are going to a party tonight where they will be only hanging out with people of the opposite sex. Tell me who are you more worried for?
Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter.
For those of us who don't have children, who would you be more worried about, your younger sister or your younger brother?
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On June 09 2011 02:36 Sherbople wrote:So after reading last page's back-and-forth between splinter9 and gold_ I can't help but ask, regarding Show nested quote +I don't know if you have children but lets say you have a daughter and a son both seventeen and they tell you they are going to a party tonight where they will be only hanging out with people of the opposite sex. Tell me who are you more worried for? Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter. For those of us who don't have children, who would you be more worried about, your younger sister or your younger brother?
That's an antiquated view at this point in human history. We evolved that way because of the need to HUNT. That's gone, a woman doesn't need to stay at home with the kids because she isn't physically strong enough to go kill an animal, that's irrelevant now, a woman can go get a job as easy as a man, and a man can nurture their kids just as well.
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On June 09 2011 02:40 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:36 Sherbople wrote:So after reading last page's back-and-forth between splinter9 and gold_ I can't help but ask, regarding I don't know if you have children but lets say you have a daughter and a son both seventeen and they tell you they are going to a party tonight where they will be only hanging out with people of the opposite sex. Tell me who are you more worried for? Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter. For those of us who don't have children, who would you be more worried about, your younger sister or your younger brother? That's an antiquated view at this point in human history. We evolved that way because of the need to HUNT. That's gone, a woman doesn't need to stay at home with the kids because she isn't physically strong enough to go kill an animal, that's irrelevant now, a woman can go get a job as easy as a man, and a man can nurture their kids just as well.
I'm quite aware the driving force for that behavior is no longer relevant, but it doesn't change the fact that we are still programmed that way; our instincts. If there was a way to pull up statistics on the following points, I'd love to see them:
How many stay-at-home men are there vs stay-at-home women ?
How many men vs women make the majority of the meals for the family?
What is the average income for men vs women?
etc etc
I realize there are different variables in all of those, and I do cook for myself now and plan to when I get married etc, but my point being that I'd still be more worried for my daughter/younger sister than if they were male.
Anyways, I just wanted to contribute a bit to the thread, not derail it
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On June 09 2011 02:40 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:36 Sherbople wrote:So after reading last page's back-and-forth between splinter9 and gold_ I can't help but ask, regarding I don't know if you have children but lets say you have a daughter and a son both seventeen and they tell you they are going to a party tonight where they will be only hanging out with people of the opposite sex. Tell me who are you more worried for? Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter. My wife might actually feel this way stronger then I. She thinks our daughter won't be dating until she is twentie which is LOLable even to me. I never had a sister just 3 older bros but im pretty sure id be a lot more defensive of them. For those of us who don't have children, who would you be more worried about, your younger sister or your younger brother? That's an antiquated view at this point in human history. We evolved that way because of the need to HUNT. That's gone, a woman doesn't need to stay at home with the kids because she isn't physically strong enough to go kill an animal, that's irrelevant now, a woman can go get a job as easy as a man, and a man can nurture their kids just as well.
Nobody is arguing that point.
Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter.
My wife might actually feel this way stronger then I. She thinks our daughter won't be dating until she is twentie which is LOLable even to me. I never had a sister just 3 older bros but im pretty sure id be a lot more defensive of them.
sorry i massacred the quoting here 
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On June 09 2011 02:52 splinter9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:40 Olinim wrote:On June 09 2011 02:36 Sherbople wrote:So after reading last page's back-and-forth between splinter9 and gold_ I can't help but ask, regarding I don't know if you have children but lets say you have a daughter and a son both seventeen and they tell you they are going to a party tonight where they will be only hanging out with people of the opposite sex. Tell me who are you more worried for? Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter. My wife might actually feel this way stronger then I. She thinks our daughter won't be dating until she is twentie which is LOLable even to me. I never had a sister just 3 older bros but im pretty sure id be a lot more defensive of them. For those of us who don't have children, who would you be more worried about, your younger sister or your younger brother? That's an antiquated view at this point in human history. We evolved that way because of the need to HUNT. That's gone, a woman doesn't need to stay at home with the kids because she isn't physically strong enough to go kill an animal, that's irrelevant now, a woman can go get a job as easy as a man, and a man can nurture their kids just as well. Nobody is arguing that point.
I understand his point but yeah I don't agree with that line anyways
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On June 09 2011 02:52 splinter9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:40 Olinim wrote:On June 09 2011 02:36 Sherbople wrote:So after reading last page's back-and-forth between splinter9 and gold_ I can't help but ask, regarding I don't know if you have children but lets say you have a daughter and a son both seventeen and they tell you they are going to a party tonight where they will be only hanging out with people of the opposite sex. Tell me who are you more worried for? Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter. My wife might actually feel this way stronger then I. She thinks our daughter won't be dating until she is twentie which is LOLable even to me. I never had a sister just 3 older bros but im pretty sure id be a lot more defensive of them. For those of us who don't have children, who would you be more worried about, your younger sister or your younger brother? That's an antiquated view at this point in human history. We evolved that way because of the need to HUNT. That's gone, a woman doesn't need to stay at home with the kids because she isn't physically strong enough to go kill an animal, that's irrelevant now, a woman can go get a job as easy as a man, and a man can nurture their kids just as well. Nobody is arguing that point. Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter. My wife might actually feel this way stronger then I. She thinks our daughter won't be dating until she is twentie which is LOLable even to me. I never had a sister just 3 older bros but im pretty sure id be a lot more defensive of them. For those of us who don't have children, who would you be more worried about, your younger sister or your younger brother?
He said in his post that woman are the nurturers.
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On June 09 2011 02:55 Olinim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:52 splinter9 wrote:On June 09 2011 02:40 Olinim wrote:On June 09 2011 02:36 Sherbople wrote:So after reading last page's back-and-forth between splinter9 and gold_ I can't help but ask, regarding I don't know if you have children but lets say you have a daughter and a son both seventeen and they tell you they are going to a party tonight where they will be only hanging out with people of the opposite sex. Tell me who are you more worried for? Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter. My wife might actually feel this way stronger then I. She thinks our daughter won't be dating until she is twentie which is LOLable even to me. I never had a sister just 3 older bros but im pretty sure id be a lot more defensive of them. For those of us who don't have children, who would you be more worried about, your younger sister or your younger brother? That's an antiquated view at this point in human history. We evolved that way because of the need to HUNT. That's gone, a woman doesn't need to stay at home with the kids because she isn't physically strong enough to go kill an animal, that's irrelevant now, a woman can go get a job as easy as a man, and a man can nurture their kids just as well. Nobody is arguing that point. Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter. My wife might actually feel this way stronger then I. She thinks our daughter won't be dating until she is twentie which is LOLable even to me. I never had a sister just 3 older bros but im pretty sure id be a lot more defensive of them. For those of us who don't have children, who would you be more worried about, your younger sister or your younger brother? He said in his post that woman are the nurturers.
He is saying that it seems they are more so then men, even this day in age. I don't have stats but id assume he is right especially in 3rd world countries.
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Either way. I wont claim I've read every single post but I've read most and I've seen nothing what so ever that supports that something like this would be more traumatizing for a female victim.
Which is what it's about, the child, not what gender random adults might feel most sorry for.
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On June 09 2011 03:21 Akta wrote:
Either way. I wont claim I've read every single post but I've read most and I've seen nothing what so ever that supports that something like this would be more traumatizing for a female victim.
Which is what it's about, the child, not what gender random adults might feel most sorry for.
this isn't who it's more traumatizing for actually, it's more that if 3 guys had taken off the clothes of a girl and video taping it they prolly would have been sent to juvie. Obviously (as we can see from this example) 3 girls barely get punished at all.
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If three broads came up to me and tried to take my clothes off I'd kindly explain I only have the sexually competency to handle two. That being said I'm on my phone so I can't see the video but I can imagine the three girls being some butch herculean samsaquanch looking gremlins jumping on some 50lb nerd. The world gets weirder and weirder everyday. I'm hoping this doesn't put any detriment on the boys mental state as he grows older. As for the mother she is ignorant in her letting the parents hand out a punishment as behaviour like this is usually learned in the home.
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what happend to the world, when i was a kid i listened to metallica to be rebelious and climbed on trees :3
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Poor kid, probably will never grow up to apprecaite a nice set of tits beause of what those evil 8th grade cu#$s did to him.
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On June 09 2011 02:50 Sherbople wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:40 Olinim wrote:On June 09 2011 02:36 Sherbople wrote:So after reading last page's back-and-forth between splinter9 and gold_ I can't help but ask, regarding I don't know if you have children but lets say you have a daughter and a son both seventeen and they tell you they are going to a party tonight where they will be only hanging out with people of the opposite sex. Tell me who are you more worried for? Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter. For those of us who don't have children, who would you be more worried about, your younger sister or your younger brother? That's an antiquated view at this point in human history. We evolved that way because of the need to HUNT. That's gone, a woman doesn't need to stay at home with the kids because she isn't physically strong enough to go kill an animal, that's irrelevant now, a woman can go get a job as easy as a man, and a man can nurture their kids just as well. I'm quite aware the driving force for that behavior is no longer relevant, but it doesn't change the fact that we are still programmed that way; our instincts. If there was a way to pull up statistics on the following points, I'd love to see them: How many stay-at-home men are there vs stay-at-home women ? How many men vs women make the majority of the meals for the family? What is the average income for men vs women? etc etc I realize there are different variables in all of those, and I do cook for myself now and plan to when I get married etc, but my point being that I'd still be more worried for my daughter/younger sister than if they were male. Anyways, I just wanted to contribute a bit to the thread, not derail it
This is just a gut feeling, because I do not know anything scientific about that instinct idea in men and women. But humans, to me, seem to have very little stuff that is driven by instinct.
When born and a toddler, humans are pretty much 100 % useless, and this stays like that for years. For newborns, even very basic stuff, like identifying there is an object moving into and out of their view, seems to pose problems. Everything is learned while growing up from interactions with the environment and other humans.
After the start of their life, the genes of men and women seem to produce nearly the same growth in the body (and brain?) of boys and girls for 10 years or so, before development diverges. At that time, when starting to be a teenager, the brain is already done growing, I think, and the mind is just lacking experience for informed decisions about stuff (and puberty and hormones throw logic under the bus in certain situations).
I suspect that basic emotions about people close to you are the same between men and women, and the need you feel about cooking for your household or doing the laundry or having a career and earning money is programming from society, not instinct.
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On June 09 2011 02:57 splinter9 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2011 02:55 Olinim wrote:On June 09 2011 02:52 splinter9 wrote:On June 09 2011 02:40 Olinim wrote:On June 09 2011 02:36 Sherbople wrote:So after reading last page's back-and-forth between splinter9 and gold_ I can't help but ask, regarding I don't know if you have children but lets say you have a daughter and a son both seventeen and they tell you they are going to a party tonight where they will be only hanging out with people of the opposite sex. Tell me who are you more worried for? Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter. My wife might actually feel this way stronger then I. She thinks our daughter won't be dating until she is twentie which is LOLable even to me. I never had a sister just 3 older bros but im pretty sure id be a lot more defensive of them. For those of us who don't have children, who would you be more worried about, your younger sister or your younger brother? That's an antiquated view at this point in human history. We evolved that way because of the need to HUNT. That's gone, a woman doesn't need to stay at home with the kids because she isn't physically strong enough to go kill an animal, that's irrelevant now, a woman can go get a job as easy as a man, and a man can nurture their kids just as well. Nobody is arguing that point. Assuming you're both male, how would your wives feel about that? I feel in our society (and in the realm of animals as well) that men are the protectors and women are the 'nurturers'. This would obviously lead us men to be more defensive about our female offspring then our male offspring. Maybe that's just my take on things, although I'd have to agree with splinter that I'd be much more worried about my daughter. My wife might actually feel this way stronger then I. She thinks our daughter won't be dating until she is twentie which is LOLable even to me. I never had a sister just 3 older bros but im pretty sure id be a lot more defensive of them. For those of us who don't have children, who would you be more worried about, your younger sister or your younger brother? He said in his post that woman are the nurturers. He is saying that it seems they are more so then men, even this day in age. I don't have stats but id assume he is right especially in 3rd world countries.
And ironically, children raised by single mothers do far worse on every metric than those raised by single fathers.
By the way, an unwanted pregnancy causes far greater problems for a man, than for a woman. A woman can get an abortion, which, contrary to popular belief, have very little psychological impact on the woman*. On the other hand, an unwanted pregnancy for a man is 18 years of child support payments, with strict liability (strict liability means that you have to pay child support no matter the circumstances of conception, even the male was raped. Yes, its possible for a man to get raped. Its actually pretty easy, especially using modern definitions of rape**.) (Child support payments generally run to 40% of pre-tax income, and if you get a pay rise, child support will increase, but if you lose your job and get a low paying one, child support payments will stay the same, and if you miss a payment, its prison time.)
*when performed early and on an unwanted pregnancy. Abortions are traumatising when the pregnancy is desired by the female, but such abortions are performed either under duress, or late term, for medical reasons, hence are traumatising for obvious reasons. Late term abortions on an unwanted pregnancy are illegal, hence are also traumatising for obvious reasons.
**you know that "1 in 4 college girls are raped" statistic? That statistic counts drunken sex as rape, given that a person under the influence cannot give informed consent, legally speaking.
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If 3 8th grade boys did this to an 11 year old girl, this would be rape. Double standard much? God I hate how unfair the system is. Disappointing this is the world we live in.
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