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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On June 04 2011 00:27 hoganftw wrote: If we become herbivores, I'd think our population problem will escalate. Eventually we'd either have to engineer a super predator that feeds on humans or occupy another planet. I mean all herbivores in the wild are prone to predators at least some time in their lives. If we're going to live naturally, we'll need to be prone to predators too. As of now, no creature is truly a threat to us as we have guns to blow their heads off before they even come close. Are you saying vegetables make us healthier, less dying, more population? Veganism will turn us into sex gods? Or if we turn vegan Jaguars will own us? Please elaborate on your first sentence  | ||
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Aldehyde
Sweden939 Posts
The thought that struck me then was what would happen once/if everyone stopped eating food? Would the "first" vegans/vegetarians start saying "well, we were here first, we are better than you"? | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
Hahaha. Silly arguements make me lol. | ||
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Ojahh
Ireland728 Posts
I love my steak or a nice chicken breast, but it might as well be that by accident I don't eat meat for 2 or 3 weeks just because i cooked other stuff. Trying to make everybody vegetarian is ridiculous, but what needs to stop is the industrialization of animals. Nothing wrong with a 40 cows or pigs running around happy in a large fenced area and one day there is a "bizz" behind the ear and its all over. Its just the animal cruelty and the cruel conditions of mass production I am appalled by. I think it is important that kids in a young age go out to a farm with their school and see an animal being happy and all and then being killed and parted. So they learn that meat comes from living animals who deserve respect and that meat is just not something you stuff your face with "cause its tasty and fun" | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On June 04 2011 00:32 Aldehyde wrote: A funny thought struck me when frogurt said he's proud of being a vegan. This implies, to me, that he thinks he's superior for being one. The thought that struck me then was what would happen once/if everyone stopped eating food? Would the "first" vegans/vegetarians start saying "well, we were here first, we are better than you"? NO IT DOESN'T. Some people are proud of being gay, doesn't imply they are superior to heterosexuals. Some people are proud of their religion, they can wear a cross on their neck, but it's not elitism until they stick a bible down your throat. Sorry i had to unleash the fury of the caps lock but when I say "I'm not saying i'm better than you" and it's replied with "yes you are" I'm going to have to get the capital letters out of their glass emergency case. | ||
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haffy
United Kingdom430 Posts
On June 04 2011 00:21 frogurt wrote: I don't deny myself meat, deny implies I want it. I find meat disgusting. And no I don't label myself as a vegan to highlight my suffering. I do it because I'm proud of it. What I call myself is irrelevant. What do you find disgusting about it? I find insects disgusting. But if it was put into something that I couldn't recognise and tasted nice I would gladly eat it, even if I knew it was insects. But I'm guessing you wouldn't do the same with meat? You might not be doing it to highlight your suffering. But why is it that not eating meat is the only type of food that needs it's own name? | ||
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frogurt
Australia907 Posts
On June 04 2011 00:32 Aldehyde wrote: A funny thought struck me when frogurt said he's proud of being a vegan. This implies, to me, that he thinks he's superior for being one. The thought that struck me then was what would happen once/if everyone stopped eating food? Would the "first" vegans/vegetarians start saying "well, we were here first, we are better than you"? NO IT DOESN'T. Some people are proud of being gay, doesn't imply they think are superior to heterosexuals. Some people are proud of their religion, they can wear a cross on their neck, but it's not elitism until they stick a bible down your throat. Sorry i had to unleash the fury of the caps lock but when I say "I'm not saying i'm better than you" and it's replied with "yes you are" I'm going to have to get the capital letters out of their glass emergency case. | ||
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TheRhox
Canada868 Posts
On June 04 2011 00:36 Ojahh wrote: People need to learn that the unhealthy overconsumption of meat needs to stop. I love my steak or a nice chicken breast, but it might as well be that by accident I don't eat meat for 2 or 3 weeks just because i cooked other stuff. Trying to make everybody vegetarian is ridiculous, but what needs to stop is the industrialization of animals. Nothing wrong with a 40 cows or pigs running around happy in a large fenced area and one day there is a "bizz" behind the ear and its all over. Its just the animal cruelty and the cruel conditions of mass production I am appalled by. I think it is important that kids in a young age go out to a farm with their school and see an animal being happy and all and then being killed and parted. So they learn that meat comes from living animals who deserve respect and that meat is just not something you stuff your face with "cause its tasty and fun" These are my sentiments exactly | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
Even sneakers have animal by products in them never mind dress shoes. Paul McCartney had difficulty finding them, have they gotten easier to find since? | ||
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BleaK_
Norway593 Posts
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Aldehyde
Sweden939 Posts
On June 04 2011 00:38 frogurt wrote: NO IT DOESN'T. Some people are proud of being gay, doesn't imply they think are superior to heterosexuals. Some people are proud of their religion, they can wear a cross on their neck, but it's not elitism until they stick a bible down your throat. Sorry i had to unleash the fury of the caps lock but when I say "I'm not saying i'm better than you" and it's replied with "yes you are" I'm going to have to get the capital letters out of their glass emergency case. Hey, chill. I just said it was a funny thought that struck me and that it, TO ME, implied superiority when stated on its own. I didn't read all your posts thoroughly and I am sorry if I have offended you. | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On June 04 2011 00:39 ComaDose wrote: Do you have difficulty finding shoes as a vegan? Even sneakers have animal by products in them never mind dress shoes. Paul McCartney had difficulty finding them, have they gotten easier to find since? I've had tremendous difficulty... I've worn canvas shoes (converse or other brands) to job interviews and weddings because I couldn't find the | ||
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hoganftw
United States32 Posts
On June 04 2011 00:31 frogurt wrote: Are you saying vegetables make us healthier, less dying, more population? Veganism will turn us into sex gods? Or if we turn vegan Jaguars will own us? Please elaborate on your first sentence Well, producing vegetables is a lot cheaper than producing livestock. If we were to go full vegan, it'd be a lot easier to feed the masses. It could be possibly healthier too, as veggies and fruits have vitamins, which most people tend to not care about. Jaguars won't own us. They may kill one or two people a year, but that hardly puts a dent into our numbers. If we ever were to go full vegan and let's say, our population just kept rising; it'd be almost impossible to keep our numbers down without doing something "inhumane". Thus scientists will either have to find ways of living on other planets or create a super predator that is capable of denting our numbers. | ||
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breakingties
United Kingdom72 Posts
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On June 04 2011 00:46 hoganftw wrote: Well, producing vegetables is a lot cheaper than producing livestock. If we were to go full vegan, it'd be a lot easier to feed the masses. It could be possibly healthier too, as veggies and fruits have vitamins, which most people tend to not care about. Jaguars won't own us. They may kill one or two people a year, but that hardly puts a dent into our numbers. If we ever were to go full vegan and let's say, our population just kept rising; it'd be almost impossible to keep our numbers down without doing something "inhumane". Thus scientists will either have to find ways of living on other planets or create a super predator that is capable of denting our numbers. This is one of the funniest and interesting interpretations of the "what if we all went vegan" question I've ever read Theres a correlation between overall wealth and the amount of kids you have. The poorest % of society have more kids than the richest %. In our perfect world where everyone is vegan, can we also have everyone be upper middle class? Cool. Problem solved  Don't take this seriously... | ||
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zalz
Netherlands3704 Posts
On June 04 2011 00:02 frogurt wrote: I'm a vegan. I'm not a martyr, my life is great. I'm not suffering, I eat wholesomely. I'm not trying to prove anything to anyone, I just don't like meat. I believe that the world would be better with a vegan human race but i'm not going to try and force my own beliefs. I respect meat eaters alternate views. Stop this stereotype that all vegans are liberal hardcores who don't eat meat out of elitism/spite and are constantly trying to 'convert' omnivores. You do realise that let's say tommorow the entire world wakes up vegan the first course of action would be to mass murder all cows, chickens, sheeps, pigs and many more animals right? Or did you think animals like domesticated cows can take care of themselves? You want someone to walk up and down and feed them maybe? Not really sure who would do that because the only reason we feed them at the moment is so they grow and a profit gets made on them. Excluding wild variants entire breeds of cows would have to be exterminated just because they no longer serve a purpose and keeping them alive for no reason is pointless. The picture that pops in your head when you think of pigs or cows are animals that can't survive without humans looking after them. The only reason these strange breeds exist is because humans made them through selective breeding. If people stop eating meat then these animals have pretty much lost their entire purpose. They can't survive without people and people no longer have a reason to take care of them. Slowly eradicating an entire breed of animals doesn't seem much nicer then the horrible treatment they receive in some facilities. But let's be realistic, how would you take care of this problem? Of all these billions of animals that we don't need but can't survive without humans looking after them. Take into account how there is no profit in them anymore and how you need to drastically expand the ammount of land they require if you want to stop keeping them in mass facilities. | ||
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Ojahh
Ireland728 Posts
are we talking vegetarian, like in not eating meat, or vegan, as in I don't eat anything coming from animals, and maybe even I don't wear animal clothing. because especially in the Vegan group there are the people who just don't like the taste or lost their taste seeing the disgusting conditions of mass production and that is understandable, but but I found the most vocal and outspoken Vegans are the kind of people who wouldn't even eat an egg from the chicken out of their on garden, or wear the wool of sheeps that you can collect with out causing the sheep any distress. If OP is one of the later, there is no point further arguing cause such people are to determined to prove a point. | ||
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Matharos
Canada211 Posts
On June 03 2011 18:58 BackHo wrote: [ 1. The welfarist camp - those who believe that so long as animals are killed 'humanely' (although what is humane, as we would never kill a human) it is OK. 2. The abolitionist camp - those who believe that the meat industry should be outlawed altogether. So I have a question... I usually only eat meat 2-3 times a week and the meat I do it is all locally raised and organic. I hate the way animals are treated through the use of factory food and I'm a firm believer in animal rights and welfare. so I guess I'm in the welfarist camp? Dos this make me an Ethical Vegan? | ||
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BackHo
New Zealand400 Posts
On June 04 2011 00:39 ComaDose wrote: Do you have difficulty finding shoes as a vegan? Even sneakers have animal by products in them never mind dress shoes. Paul McCartney had difficulty finding them, have they gotten easier to find since? There are alternatives to leather shoes, the problem is actually because the majority of people don't care where their shoes come from so the demand for non-leather alternatives (such as microfiber) aren't as profitable, therefore not mass-produced in order to be cheap enough for consumers. For anyone who is interested, leather is explained from the 3:50 mark in this video: | ||
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