EPTOn May 27 2011 13:47 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Everybody involved should probably be sent to a gulag.
Everybody involved should probably be sent to a gulag.
including the kid?
Student gets ostracized for refusing to pray - Page 2
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aguy38
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including the kid? | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
For the kid no, hes just a jackass who stirred up the crazies. | ||
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Deleted User 3420
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On May 27 2011 13:47 Torte de Lini wrote: I think knowing his situation, he should have just obliged and pretended to pray. It's fine that he's standing up for his rights, but as you can see, he didn't gain as much as he lost especially if he knew (and he most likely did) that the surrounding community around him as well as the governing body, were heavily christian. It's just a bad move on his part, he should have considered more than his individual rights that don't necessarily hurt or affect him to the extent or degree he is in now. I think it's likely the case that it was poor decisionmaking on his part.. but it largely has to do with what kind of person he is and what kind of character he has. If he is willing to make sacrifices for what he believes in and is willing to handle those consequences then maybe he is ok with what happened. But being that he is still so young, odds are he just didn't have enough foresight. | ||
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
On May 27 2011 13:50 Chairman Ray wrote: The kid got what he deserved. If he's treated so harshly for his actions, then that means prayer in his community is extremely important. That's something he needs to learn to respect. Hopefully he learned something from this. Either you're trolling, in which case I'd banned you for a month if I was a mod but I'm not, or you're serious in which that's even worse. EDIT: Not backseat modding here, just saying what consequence I'd bestow upon him because of his attitude towards basic human rights. (Atleast in the EU, Article 6 rights to private life. | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
Well, he can go if he wants to. I heard atheists are big on gulags. | ||
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nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
On May 27 2011 13:40 Slaughter wrote: *rolls eyes* cue the mass shitstorm from TLs about how religion is horrible. The same crowd that is equally as ignorant and annoying as the religious fanatics. He threatened to get some event canceled just to please him when he could have just sat there during that specific and do nothing. He's not forced to doing it. Not a very profound decision and lacks phronesis. | ||
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Spacekyod
United States818 Posts
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StrangrDangr
United States291 Posts
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dogmeatstew
Canada574 Posts
The kid was being a bit of a smart ass getting the prayer cancelled, I mean he's technically in the right here, the legality of the matter supports him but he may have bitten off more than he can chew and now I guess he's getting what he asked for. Something also should be done about whoever "leaked" his information and the teacher that publicly denounced him should probably loose their job as well as their license to teach, that's simply unprofessional and pathetic. It scares me to think that I live in the most religiously conservative part of Canada (Alberta) and that here this would never go down, something like this happening here would probably result in pretty quick direct government intervention but it's a different culture. | ||
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Jswizzy
United States791 Posts
Here is a good article on the subject. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46828 Anyways if people want to pray on their own time that's there own business but forcing your beliefs on everyone else no cool in my book. It shows a lake of empathy and respect for others. | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
On May 27 2011 13:49 travis wrote: I think it's likely the case that it was poor decisionmaking on his part.. but it largely has to do with what kind of person he is and what kind of character he has. If he is willing to make sacrifices for what he believes in and is willing to handle those consequences then maybe he is ok with what happened. But being that he is still so young, odds are he just didn't have enough foresight. you're right that not every battle must be fought and this is something he could have easily just looked away. And all of this couldve been avoided. but also at the same time if this was handled by the school well as it shouldve been, his request would have been considered (whether they decide to hold the prayer or not), things wouldnt have leaked and blown out of porportion and everything still could've been fine. I see more fault with the school, not the kid really. | ||
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Spacekyod
United States818 Posts
On May 27 2011 13:51 nalgene wrote: He threatened to get some event canceled just to please him when he could have just sat there during that specific and do nothing. He's not forced to doing it. Not a very profound decision and lacks phronesis. C'mon man, this was in the first few paragraphs! It's a law and a Constitution that protects everybody, not just atheists. If you wouldn't want to be subjected to a government-sponsored Buddhist prayer, you ought not to be subjecting others to a government-sponsored Christian prayer. | ||
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Diglett
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
On May 27 2011 13:37 garlicface wrote: Everyone in the story reacted too strongly to what he did, but it seems like he was just trying to be a smartass. Come on, threatening to get a "traditional" prayer cancelled? It's unconstitutional, as is defending someone's right to pray of their own accord. Public schools shouldn't hold prayers for their student bodies. He's wasn't threatening that they couldn't pray at their graduation. This is a key difference between a free country and totalitarian one. | ||
520
United States2822 Posts
On May 27 2011 13:52 Jswizzy wrote: Why should he be forced to pray to a false god? Christians wouldn't like it if they were forced to pray to some pagan god or Allah. Here is a good article on the subject. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46828 Anyways if people want to pray on their own time that's there own business but forcing your beliefs on everyone else no cool in my book. It shows a lake of empathy and respect for others. My apologies. I thought it was directly related to the story at hand. It's a good read, but I don't think it should go in the original post. | ||
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rycho
United States360 Posts
at least a priest didn't rape him and he wasn't killed in a crusade, it could be worse | ||
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
On May 27 2011 13:50 Chairman Ray wrote: The kid got what he deserved. If he's treated so harshly for his actions, then that means prayer in his community is extremely important. That's something he needs to learn to respect. Hopefully he learned something from this. Who gives a shit if it's "extremely important" to his community? There is something called separation of church and state. I guess you believe in mob rule? Slavery never should have been abolished? Mobs should be allowed to do whatever they want? | ||
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ghrur
United States3786 Posts
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