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aguy38
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
131 Posts
May 27 2011 04:48 GMT
#21
On May 27 2011 13:47 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Everybody involved should probably be sent to a gulag.

including the kid?
Zealotdriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1557 Posts
May 27 2011 04:48 GMT
#22
Damon Fowler fighting! Seeing this kind of cruel behavior from a high school and community is not surprising. The self-described christians in this story are merely insecure, ignorant bullies with no understanding of the religion they pretend to follow.
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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
May 27 2011 04:49 GMT
#23
On May 27 2011 13:48 aguy38 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 13:47 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Everybody involved should probably be sent to a gulag.

including the kid?


For the kid no, hes just a jackass who stirred up the crazies.
Never Knows Best.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 27 2011 04:49 GMT
#24
On May 27 2011 13:47 Torte de Lini wrote:
I think knowing his situation, he should have just obliged and pretended to pray. It's fine that he's standing up for his rights, but as you can see, he didn't gain as much as he lost especially if he knew (and he most likely did) that the surrounding community around him as well as the governing body, were heavily christian.

It's just a bad move on his part, he should have considered more than his individual rights that don't necessarily hurt or affect him to the extent or degree he is in now.


I think it's likely the case that it was poor decisionmaking on his part.. but it largely has to do with what kind of person he is and what kind of character he has. If he is willing to make sacrifices for what he believes in and is willing to handle those consequences then maybe he is ok with what happened. But being that he is still so young, odds are he just didn't have enough foresight.
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
May 27 2011 04:50 GMT
#25
The kid got what he deserved. If he's treated so harshly for his actions, then that means prayer in his community is extremely important. That's something he needs to learn to respect. Hopefully he learned something from this.
Krehlmar
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 04:52:59
May 27 2011 04:50 GMT
#26
Religious freedome also means freedome from religion.


On May 27 2011 13:50 Chairman Ray wrote:
The kid got what he deserved. If he's treated so harshly for his actions, then that means prayer in his community is extremely important. That's something he needs to learn to respect. Hopefully he learned something from this.

Either you're trolling, in which case I'd banned you for a month if I was a mod but I'm not, or you're serious in which that's even worse.
EDIT: Not backseat modding here, just saying what consequence I'd bestow upon him because of his attitude towards basic human rights.
(Atleast in the EU, Article 6 rights to private life.
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EmeraldSparks
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1451 Posts
May 27 2011 04:50 GMT
#27
On May 27 2011 13:48 aguy38 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 13:47 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Everybody involved should probably be sent to a gulag.

including the kid?

Well, he can go if he wants to.

I heard atheists are big on gulags.
But why?
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
May 27 2011 04:51 GMT
#28
On May 27 2011 13:40 Slaughter wrote:
*rolls eyes* cue the mass shitstorm from TLs about how religion is horrible. The same crowd that is equally as ignorant and annoying as the religious fanatics.

He threatened to get some event canceled just to please him when he could have just sat there during that specific and do nothing. He's not forced to doing it. Not a very profound decision and lacks phronesis.
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Spacekyod
Profile Joined December 2010
United States818 Posts
May 27 2011 04:51 GMT
#29
As a christian i can't help but let out a deep sigh and roll my eyes. What's even more shocking is that is parents have completely disowned him. This story is almost completely unbelievable. I wish him the best of luck getting through this situation and his life.
Riders of the Plastic Groove. "When all-in fails, all-in again!" Finally... Make way for the real DONG!
StrangrDangr
Profile Joined March 2011
United States291 Posts
May 27 2011 04:52 GMT
#30
There has to be more to the parents kicking him out then their is in the article. It said they initially tried to take away his phone and ground him, but then kicked him out, I'm curious what he did to prompt the next step.
"I'm on four gates, so technically if I don't win there is something wrong with this game." desrow
dogmeatstew
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada574 Posts
May 27 2011 04:52 GMT
#31
The part that bothers me most about this is his parents, them kicking him out is pretty awful.

The kid was being a bit of a smart ass getting the prayer cancelled, I mean he's technically in the right here, the legality of the matter supports him but he may have bitten off more than he can chew and now I guess he's getting what he asked for.

Something also should be done about whoever "leaked" his information and the teacher that publicly denounced him should probably loose their job as well as their license to teach, that's simply unprofessional and pathetic.

It scares me to think that I live in the most religiously conservative part of Canada (Alberta) and that here this would never go down, something like this happening here would probably result in pretty quick direct government intervention but it's a different culture.
Jswizzy
Profile Joined March 2010
United States791 Posts
May 27 2011 04:52 GMT
#32
Why should he be forced to pray to a false god? Christians wouldn't like it if they were forced to pray to some pagan god or Allah.

Here is a good article on the subject.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46828

Anyways if people want to pray on their own time that's there own business but forcing your beliefs on everyone else no cool in my book. It shows a lake of empathy and respect for others.
I always try to give a sensitive, reasoned answer. This is usually awkward, time consuming and pointless.
NIJ
Profile Joined March 2010
1012 Posts
May 27 2011 04:53 GMT
#33
On May 27 2011 13:49 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 13:47 Torte de Lini wrote:
I think knowing his situation, he should have just obliged and pretended to pray. It's fine that he's standing up for his rights, but as you can see, he didn't gain as much as he lost especially if he knew (and he most likely did) that the surrounding community around him as well as the governing body, were heavily christian.

It's just a bad move on his part, he should have considered more than his individual rights that don't necessarily hurt or affect him to the extent or degree he is in now.


I think it's likely the case that it was poor decisionmaking on his part.. but it largely has to do with what kind of person he is and what kind of character he has. If he is willing to make sacrifices for what he believes in and is willing to handle those consequences then maybe he is ok with what happened. But being that he is still so young, odds are he just didn't have enough foresight.


you're right that not every battle must be fought and this is something he could have easily just looked away. And all of this couldve been avoided.

but also at the same time if this was handled by the school well as it shouldve been, his request would have been considered (whether they decide to hold the prayer or not), things wouldnt have leaked and blown out of porportion and everything still could've been fine. I see more fault with the school, not the kid really.
Act of thinking logically cannot possibly be natural to the human mind. If it were, then mathematics would be everybody's easiest course at school and our species would not have taken several millennia to figure out the scientific method -NDT
Spacekyod
Profile Joined December 2010
United States818 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 04:54:55
May 27 2011 04:53 GMT
#34
On May 27 2011 13:51 nalgene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 27 2011 13:40 Slaughter wrote:
*rolls eyes* cue the mass shitstorm from TLs about how religion is horrible. The same crowd that is equally as ignorant and annoying as the religious fanatics.

He threatened to get some event canceled just to please him when he could have just sat there during that specific and do nothing. He's not forced to doing it. Not a very profound decision and lacks phronesis.


C'mon man, this was in the first few paragraphs!

It's a law and a Constitution that protects everybody, not just atheists. If you wouldn't want to be subjected to a government-sponsored Buddhist prayer, you ought not to be subjecting others to a government-sponsored Christian prayer.

Riders of the Plastic Groove. "When all-in fails, all-in again!" Finally... Make way for the real DONG!
Diglett
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
600 Posts
May 27 2011 04:53 GMT
#35
the article is incredibly biased so it's hard to make a good opinion. but all i see a smartass kid trying to troll the school and from that, the whole community screwed him. stupid kid, stupid school, teachers, parents, etc.
Spicy Pepper
Profile Joined December 2009
United States632 Posts
May 27 2011 04:54 GMT
#36
On May 27 2011 13:37 garlicface wrote:
Everyone in the story reacted too strongly to what he did, but it seems like he was just trying to be a smartass. Come on, threatening to get a "traditional" prayer cancelled?

It's unconstitutional, as is defending someone's right to pray of their own accord. Public schools shouldn't hold prayers for their student bodies. He's wasn't threatening that they couldn't pray at their graduation.

This is a key difference between a free country and totalitarian one.
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-27 04:55:20
May 27 2011 04:54 GMT
#37
On May 27 2011 13:52 Jswizzy wrote:
Why should he be forced to pray to a false god? Christians wouldn't like it if they were forced to pray to some pagan god or Allah.

Here is a good article on the subject.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=46828

Anyways if people want to pray on their own time that's there own business but forcing your beliefs on everyone else no cool in my book. It shows a lake of empathy and respect for others.

My apologies. I thought it was directly related to the story at hand. It's a good read, but I don't think it should go in the original post.
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rycho
Profile Joined July 2010
United States360 Posts
May 27 2011 04:54 GMT
#38
just another horrible thing religion has done to the world

at least a priest didn't rape him and he wasn't killed in a crusade, it could be worse
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
May 27 2011 04:54 GMT
#39
On May 27 2011 13:50 Chairman Ray wrote:
The kid got what he deserved. If he's treated so harshly for his actions, then that means prayer in his community is extremely important. That's something he needs to learn to respect. Hopefully he learned something from this.


Who gives a shit if it's "extremely important" to his community? There is something called separation of church and state. I guess you believe in mob rule? Slavery never should have been abolished? Mobs should be allowed to do whatever they want?
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
May 27 2011 04:55 GMT
#40
You couldn't have quoted a less inflammatory article in a less obviously inflammatory way? Look, I no way condone the actions of the community, but I really hate this article being so heavily biased towards atheists (despite being one.) I'd rather call the community stupid and crazy rather than turn it into a Christian vs Atheists argument.
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