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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50625 Posts
On May 14 2011 14:23 Pwnographics wrote: What about your girlfriends and whatnot? 21-23 is pretty much the prime dating time. you probably have to break up with them. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Heyoka
Katowice25012 Posts
On May 14 2011 14:06 colingrad wrote: Most pro gramers put off serving until after they've peeked or before they go big time because there is just no way to practice, even the airforce team doesnt do as well because they still have to drill and train all the time. Boxer has said a bunch of times this isn't true, they're allowed the same practice schedule as a normal team. | ||
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zoLo
United States5896 Posts
Doubt it... Maybe it applies to some progamers since their coaches want them to focus on practicing. It's not like the military forces their soldiers to cut off all ties in their military life. | ||
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Emporio
United States3069 Posts
Not that that should be a primary reason to support the system, but it was an interesting thought. | ||
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Navillus
United States1188 Posts
On April 29 2011 17:18 JerKy wrote: Well, I think you're missing a point there. Yes it sucks for a progamer to have to go into military service, but it sucks for ANYONE to have to go into service. I mean, who wants to leave their home, family, loved ones, job to go into mandatory army service? Unless you are geared towards a military career, having to go to the army just sucks It's not only progamers that have to suffer this unfortunate fact. And moreover, also keep in mind some people, including progamers, may feel obligated to serve in the army to protect their country in the case that the Korean war continues. Yeah but leaving competitive sports and E-sports is very different from leaving a normal life or job, in a normal job you come back and go right back to work you haven't lost anything but time and because everyone has to do it it's not like companies don't know about it and you'll get fired. But in something with a high level of competition you lose time and much of your skill, people at the top need to practice 40 or 50+ hours per week just to maintain that level, if your out for 2 years you lose almost all of that and that's much more difficult to regain than just coming back to a normal life. | ||
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gullberg
Sweden1301 Posts
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P3T3R
Canada87 Posts
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FlyingSheeps
Canada204 Posts
On May 14 2011 14:39 zoLo wrote: Doubt it... Maybe it applies to some progamers since their coaches want them to focus on practicing. It's not like the military forces their soldiers to cut off all ties in their military life. I can't speak for SK military, But here once your done Basic life pretty much return's to normal somewhat. Its not going to be the same Military comes first. But if its anything like the system I'm use too there is a good chunk of downtime they allow you to waste in a zillion way's. One of the main reason why Korea has a forced Military service program is become of the threat of war with North Korea. You always have a large military body and majority of Males within Korea are trained and can defend their country in case of invasion. | ||
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Brethern
231 Posts
On May 14 2011 14:19 Washow wrote: ALL able bodied male must go serve for 2.5 years. If you have some problems (physical stuff), you may not serve but have to do a public service thing just helping out govt facilities. Yeah it's fucking dumb and it ruins everyone's lives. You have to just abandon everything and leave to military at your PRIME AGE of like 21 ~ 23. Then you come back to finish your uni and everything you do will be delayed for 2.5 years because of military. Can't help it though, we are technically still at war with north korea. I'll be sure to remember you saying that when I'm looking down my sights at a NK grunt. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
I'm stressed out by this as well. I don't want DRG to go  | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
Yes, sure, they have a lethal enemy right at the sight of their capital, but most of the western world have already understood that this is extremely inefficient way to handle it anyway. You need an army? Well, just offer enough money for enough professional soldiers to sign up voluntarily - and as they are way more efficient as a group of random consripts, you may in the end actually save money. | ||
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urasyupi2
United States810 Posts
On March 14 2012 00:06 neoghaleon55 wrote: Bump because people were talking about Ganzi going to do his military services soon. I'm stressed out by this as well. I don't want DRG to go Ah well, at least MMA is exempted (or is he already done? I remember reading on liquipedia that he used to be in there but was discharged for some knee injury) | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On March 14 2012 03:41 opisska wrote: This thread's gonna bring my some nightmares. 2.5 years? That's horrible. I would probably emigrate if I lived in Korea before they took me! Yes, sure, they have a lethal enemy right at the sight of their capital, but most of the western world have already understood that this is extremely inefficient way to handle it anyway. You need an army? Well, just offer enough money for enough professional soldiers to sign up voluntarily - and as they are way more efficient as a group of random consripts, you may in the end actually save money. There are organizational and social benefits to ensuring a culture of people who are (somewhat) in shape, contactable/mobilizable, and accepting the need to serve their country. Did my 2 years in Singapore, despised it, but there's big-picture purpose. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On April 29 2011 17:29 kOre wrote: Korean citizens must go into the military for 2 years. This starts at age 21 and you can postpone till you're 30. As far as I know there are only 2 exceptions to this. 95% or higher average in university (not 100% sure about this one but I heard it from my cousin in Korea). Physically or mentally unable to go to the military (weigh like 300 pounds and stuff like that). There's lots of things that can make someone be unfit, at least for the US military. I'm flat-footed and on top of that I've had a back injury, which basically is auto-rejection from Army ROTC.  IIRC during the Vietnam War, flat-footed people were not conscripted even if they were completely healthy otherwise. O_o | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On March 14 2012 05:38 Dfgj wrote: There are organizational and social benefits to ensuring a culture of people who are (somewhat) in shape, contactable/mobilizable, and accepting the need to serve their country. Did my 2 years in Singapore, despised it, but there's big-picture purpose. There are such benefits to about a milion things that you would probably not condone - for example, there sure are "organizational benefits" to an absolutist monarchy, aren't they? Anyway, I don't see how any of that justifies state-sanctioned slavery. As to the positivies: Firstly, it is none of the goverment's business, in what shape I am. And how having the service compulsory makes anyone "accept the need to serve"? But that main point of my post was that I don't really believe that it is cost-efficient. Firstly, if the soldiers want to train, they will train much efficiently (even more so if they are under the pressure of not keeping their job, if they underperfom). Secondly, the level of combat readiness (both physical and mental) may fall very quickly after the constript's release from duty. | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
Is fighting with pots and pans cost efficient? Is stopping a cheese with scv optimal? You do it anyway when you're desperate enough. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On March 14 2012 06:26 opisska wrote: There are such benefits to about a milion things that you would probably not condone - for example, there sure are "organizational benefits" to an absolutist monarchy, aren't they? Anyway, I don't see how any of that justifies state-sanctioned slavery. As to the positivies: Firstly, it is none of the goverment's business, in what shape I am. And how having the service compulsory makes anyone "accept the need to serve"? But that main point of my post was that I don't really believe that it is cost-efficient. Firstly, if the soldiers want to train, they will train much efficiently (even more so if they are under the pressure of not keeping their job, if they underperfom). Secondly, the level of combat readiness (both physical and mental) may fall very quickly after the constript's release from duty. Well, no, which is largely why monarchies have gone out of existence compared to the nation-state. It can be quite in the government's interest what shape you're in if healthcare is subsidized (which it is in Singapore, I can't speak for Korea, but they also have a more pressing military requirement). Nor is wanting people to be fit a cruel totalitarian decree, especially when they give you money for passing exams (again, citing my own country). These exams and reservist call-ups are also what help maintain reservist proficiency after their release from duty. As for why creating a culture where serving the country is normal creates a culture of accepting the requirements to serve, that is self-evident. Whether every person agrees is a different story, but is also unrelated as that's a constant to any sort of policy or population. The question is also less about cost-efficiency and more about absolute output. It's more cost-efficient to have a small, highly-trained group, but in a case of national survival you want all resources available, and generally countries with mandatory service envision such situations as serious possibilities. Cost-efficiency does not win a battle so much as sheer quantity of investment, especially when you consider that effectiveness is unrelated (you can still have well-trained professional units with large reservist population, which is what all countries with mandatory service maintain). | ||
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j89007
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
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