EPTOF COURSE A FUND THAT INVESTS 40% IN TREASURIES DOESNT BEAT THE S&P 500. They're not trying to. You need to relate mutual funds against the benchmark and compare their risk vs return to decide if they out performed.
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MannerKiss
United States2398 Posts
OF COURSE A FUND THAT INVESTS 40% IN TREASURIES DOESNT BEAT THE S&P 500. They're not trying to. You need to relate mutual funds against the benchmark and compare their risk vs return to decide if they out performed. | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On April 21 2011 11:44 IronFenix wrote: @Sm3agol Your more then welcome to elaborate. The question is not whether or not you got returns or not. It's beating the market. Did your fund have better returns then say the S&P for the same amount of systematic risk? and for your record. Mutual funds typically have 2-3% in fees. Add in trailer fees, admin fees and general expenses, these fees ad up pretty quickly. Also, most of general financial literature will agree that mutual funds don't do better then the market. That fund managers can't consistently beat it. Lol, not trying to be rude, but you're really trying to tell me what my funds charge me in fees? I just looked at my funds again, and none of my major ones are over 1%......the market average is actually only 1.4%, so I really don't think you really know what you're really talking about here, to be honest. And again, you don't really HAVE to beat the market with mutual funds.......you just want consistent, low risk returns so interest can do it's job. And many of the funds I use are composed of mostly S&P500 companies and the like, so it basically mirrors the market, I caught two of them when they were a decent bit lower than the market for whatever reason, and now they've caught up, and I've "beat" the market just by choosing a good time to put my money in. My uranium/nuclear, stocks I got, however, I fully expect to far surpass the market returns over the next year. | ||
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itzme_petey
United States1400 Posts
Dangdang 30% return in 2 months Youku 30% return in 2 months ATVI 20% return in 6 months MPEL 20% return in 2 months and bought back in for 15% return in 1 month Then I've made some shit ass calls that make me look dumb. BSPM 40% loss AIG 40% loss MRK 10% loss over 6 months I've started to realize that I hold my losers tooo long and sell my winners way too quickly. If i had a more disciplined approach then I would be better off. But fuck it. GAMBOLLLLLLLL edit: sage advice, stay the fuck away from chinese stocks that have extremely low P/E. They are not to be trusted.. | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On April 21 2011 10:46 Nqsty wrote: No one here is talking about investing significant amounts of money. We're talking about small idle money with rates barely covering inflation, and what to do with it. Don't act like you're above everyone else, be useful, give a few tips to people who don't have your experience. Trying to get off as a Modest Warren buffet isn't helping anyone here, and especially not yourself. Read posts, criticize, and help out the community, because if you actually are a professional trader, you probably have a lot to share ! I am not trying to come off as anything nor I would dream of seeking help here, with all due respect. People here are talking about investing their savings and some of them come off, as other posters have pointed out, as rather ignorant. As such, they should not be allowed to trade without supervision, as they don't understand the risks (which is why some countries have laws against just that). So thanks for your tips on how to use an Internet forum, but I did read the whole topic and I feel that most of the posters should not be doing this. I apologize if this offends anyone and good luck with your investing or trading activities. | ||
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hoemuffin
United States72 Posts
On April 21 2011 21:07 Hatsu wrote: I am not trying to come off as anything nor I would dream of seeking help here, with all due respect. People here are talking about investing their savings and some of them come off, as other posters have pointed out, as rather ignorant. As such, they should not be allowed to trade without supervision, as they don't understand the risks (which is why some countries have laws against just that). So thanks for your tips on how to use an Internet forum, but I did read the whole topic and I feel that most of the posters should not be doing this. I apologize if this offends anyone and good luck with your investing or trading activities. Basically agree with you. If you want to punt with money you can afford to lose, by all means go and do it. But investing is not the same thing as trading, and I think a lot of posts on this thread confuse the two. Honestly, if you want to trade, worry less about the vehicle and more about risk management. Trading requires a far bigger capital pool then investing in a mutual fund. It isn't possible to get reasonably diversified short of etf's/mutual funds off of a small amount of capital - so if you want to invest (as opposed to getting rich of your l33t trading skillz) keep it simple. There are old traders, there are bold traders, but there are no old and bold traders. Almost every professional trader has that story when they're young and manage to blow up. I mean there's basically two ways to learn the lesson - blow up yourself or try to listen. | ||
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Bacondemon
Sweden149 Posts
On April 20 2011 20:42 Bacondemon wrote: The overbought silver, however, looks like a tempting short. Heh, now I can afford to eat for another month, yay. | ||
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scur2d2
Canada104 Posts
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TrainFX
United States469 Posts
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BookTwo
1985 Posts
he is australian (like me :o), so many of you won't be caring about buying stocks he does, but even so. | ||
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BrTarolg
United Kingdom3574 Posts
On April 21 2011 13:11 itzme_petey wrote: I've started to realize that I hold my losers tooo long and sell my winners way too quickly. If i had a more disciplined approach then I would be better off. Smart words  A classic for all kinds of risk taking, stock market or otherwise | ||
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meeny
United States40 Posts
What do you think is the minimum amount to start with? (I don't have much money at MOST probably can put in 1k atm) Since I'm starting with a low amount should I put it all into one safe stock? Spread it out? What are a few sites I could start learning more about it, there are so many and I don't know the good from the bad so I figured I would ask the wonderful tl community =). | ||
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tiffany
3664 Posts
to be absolutely safe i'd wait at least until the end of june before considering going long anything. use this time to really study up on every market and economics | ||
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indigoawareness
Slovakia273 Posts
 On a more serious note, what do you guys think of ATVI. I'm guessing it's undervalued atm. I devote a lot of effort into following Blizz games so I might as well track it. | ||
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Nqsty
United Kingdom118 Posts
On June 19 2011 03:02 indigoawareness wrote: Who's got the hot tip on some micro-penny stocks? If you're looking for some sound advice perhaps TL isn't the best place to go, but seriously who's got the scoop on the next big movers?!? On a more serious note, what do you guys think of ATVI. I'm guessing it's undervalued atm. I devote a lot of effort into following Blizz games so I might as well track it. No offence, and I really mean no offence, but you need to sit down with a text book and read Finance 101, you have the completely wrong approach to smart investing, read the previous posts some people have contributed to the thread and you'll understand why. | ||
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meeny
United States40 Posts
On June 19 2011 00:46 tiffany wrote: 1K is fine to start, but at most brokerages you won't be able to day trade, short, or play with options to be absolutely safe i'd wait at least until the end of june before considering going long anything. use this time to really study up on every market and economics yea i was not going to start anytime before the end of the month, maybe not even july...are there any sites you'd reccomend me to help me move along in learning? | ||
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IzieBoy
United States865 Posts
On April 20 2011 04:08 Sm3agol wrote: Many hedge funds companies charge pretty ridiculous prices for rather marginal returns than what you would get yourself. Look at the 08/09 crashes...almost all those funds completely tanked with the rest of the market. People with their money in those funds did just as poorly as people with their own stocks. Plus, any manager will tell you.......the stock market is ridiculously unpredictable. All the analysis in the world won't keep you from completely lucking out and having 90% of your investment go down the drain due to random and almost completely unrelated problems. I'll take the current nuclear situation as a great example. Nuclear power isn't going anywhere........noone is cancelling currently-under-construction plants, supply isn't going down, and basically nothing practical has changed, and yet the stocks have completely tanked. It's just too random to be accurately predicted by anything. That is why people do it themselves. With a bit of luck you can do far better than the "professionals", and if you do it wisely, with just about the same amount of risk. thanks for the tip... i'm going to move some there now supply is probably going up, also the reason for the tanking are temporary (due to the japan crisis?) | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On June 19 2011 03:53 IzieBoy wrote: thanks for the tip... i'm going to move some there now supply is probably going up, also the reason for the tanking are temporary (due to the japan crisis?) I'd be careful, some countries are now trying to make a move away from nuclear(see Germany), and consequently any nuclear related stocks are getting hammered, plus commodities are still way down anyways. might as well wait for commodities to come up a bit. Nuclear stocks WILL make some kind of comeback, they are almost ludicrously low right now, but no sense tying money up in them right now, imo. | ||
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Deja Thoris
South Africa646 Posts
[QUOTE]On April 21 2011 10:05 Hatsu wrote: My opinion as a professional trader with a 7-digit personal portfolio and a few years of experience is that you should get nowhere close to investing significant amounts of money unless you have a deep understanding of what you are doing and the risks you are incurring. I personally find this thread somewhat disturbing, actually. [/QUOTE] Why is that? With the sheer amount of readily available information available to anyone that looks for it, it's not hard to be fairly well informed, and as long as you aren't delving too hard in really small cap companies and going crazy with spec picks instead of just going long-term with solid companies, most people do just fine without professional help. Theres a difference between spotting a good company and knowing if a good company is a good investment. Apple may be shit hot but its stock may be way overpriced because everybody wants a piece of the pie. There is a lot of information available but I'd take it with a pinch of salt. Afterall, some big Investment banks are currently in hot water for recommending positions to clients where the bank held the opposite position (Goldman says sell silver while they are buying or w/e) The bottom line for me is this. People need to be well informed about the choices they make and above all, understand the risks. Anyone that makes serious investment choices based solely off advice on an internet gaming forum deserves the outcome they will most likely get. Understand the difference between investing and trading and know that places want you to trade so they can scalp you with commisions and margins. | ||
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Soulish
Canada1403 Posts
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ixi.genocide
United States981 Posts
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