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exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
April 17 2011 13:09 GMT
#1
International Workers Day is 1st of may. This date was not picked randomly but has traditionally been a day of celebration and demonstration since 1889. So what happened back then?

The short story:
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On this day in 1931, President Herbert Hoover officially dedicates New York City's Empire State Building, pressing a button from the White House that turned on the building's lights. Hoover's gesture, of course, was symbolic; while the president remained in Washington, D.C., someone else flicked the switches in New York.

At the time of its completion, the Empire State Building, at 102 storeys and 1,250 feet high (1,454 feet to the top of the lightning rod), was the world's tallest skyscraper.


This can be confirmed by going through various sites which have a "what happened on this date" sort of feature:
http://www.thepeoplehistory.com/may1st.html
http://www.history.co.uk/this-day-in-history/May-01.html
http://www.infoplease.com/dayinhistory?month=may&day=1&submit=Go!

But what really happened:
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May 1st, International Workers' Day, commemorates the historic struggle of working people throughout the world, and is recognized in every country except the United States, Canada, and South Africa. This despite the fact that the holiday began in the 1880s in the United States, with the fight for an eight-hour work day.

In 1884, the Federation of Organized Trades and Labor Unions passed a resolution stating that eight hours would constitute a legal day's work from and after May 1, 1886. The resolution called for a general strike to achieve the goal, since legislative methods had already failed. With workers being forced to work ten, twelve, and fourteen hours a day, rank-and-file support for the eight-hour movement grew rapidly, despite the indifference and hostility of many union leaders. By April 1886, 250,000 workers were involved in the May Day movement.

The heart of the movement was in Chicago, organized primarily by the anarchist International Working People's Association. Businesses and the state were terrified by the increasingly revolutionary character of the movement and prepared accordingly. The police and militia were increased in size and received new and powerful weapons financed by local business leaders. Chicago's Commercial Club purchased a $2000 machine gun for the Illinois National Guard to be used against strikers. Nevertheless, by May 1st, the movement had already won gains for many Chicago clothing cutters, shoemakers, and packing-house workers. But on May 3, 1886, police fired into a crowd of strikers at the McCormick Reaper Works Factory, killing four and wounding many. Anarchists called for a mass meeting the next day in Haymarket Square to protest the brutality.

The meeting proceeded without incident, and by the time the last speaker was on the platform, the rainy gathering was already breaking up, with only a few hundred people remaining. It was then that 180 cops marched into the square and ordered the meeting to disperse. As the speakers climbed down from the platform, a bomb was thrown at the police, killing one and injuring seventy. Police responded by firing into the crowd, killing one worker and injuring many others.

Although it was never determined who threw the bomb, the incident was used as an excuse to attack the entire Left and labor movement. Police ransacked the homes and offices of suspected radicals, and hundreds were arrested without charge. Anarchists in particular were harassed, and eight of Chicago's most active were charged with conspiracy to murder in connection with the Haymarket bombing. A kangaroo court found all eight guilty, despite a lack of evidence connecting any of them to the bomb-thrower (only one was even present at the meeting, and he was on the speakers' platform), and they were sentenced to die. Albert Parsons, August Spies, Adolf Fischer, and George Engel were hanged on November 11, 1887. Louis Lingg committed suicide in prison, The remaining three were finally pardoned in 1893.

It is not surprising that the state, business leaders, mainstream union officials, and the media would want to hide the true history of May Day, portraying it as a holiday celebrated only in Moscow's Red Square. In its attempt to erase the history and significance of May Day, the United States government declared May 1st to be "Law Day", and gave us instead Labor Day - a holiday devoid of any historical significance other than its importance as a day to swill beer and sit in traffic jams.


http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/mayday.html

So what they got was a very bad story to tell their would-become capitalist children. Something needed to be done. they couldnt have 1st of may to stand alone without being suppressed somehow. So various companies throughout history came up with things that would erase past events from their american minds. First came the americanization day also known as the loyalty day (1921) and last came the lawday (1958). All on 1st of may to suppress people being reminded of what happened in 1886. And lawday to make people celebrate laws and thus the state.

The implementation of those american days instead of the international day was

.. that it blunts the class consciousness of the working class. Politicians and the media insist that we do not have classes in America,
...
We are all citizens of "the greatest country on earth." We stand united, one nation indivisible. We are committed to our "American way of life," which equates with the American system of free enterprise. Preventing workers' class consciousness by promoting patriotism is a very important part of corporate strategy.

http://www.deleonism.org/text/nu020101.htm

That same page also says:

Obviously, patriotism must help the ruling corporations and their wealthy owners for them to put so much effort into promoting it.

In the 1920s the National Association of Manufacturers, the Bankers Association and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce distributed a flood of anti-labor literature to the press, churches, schools and others, with the message that unionism was un-American and that the open shop was the "American Plan."

A study financed by the top ten corporations in 1945 advised them not to sell capitalism primarily on its merits but to identify their desired policies with Americanism. Opposing policies, such as the New Deal, should be identified as un-American. Over the years the message has been that free enterprise equals Americanism, and that critics and labor unions are not 100% American.


We are now in 2011, and in Europe like everyone knows 1st of may is a date belonging to the workers. Maybe they dont know that it comes from Chicago. But i fear in the US a thick layer of fog made up of corporate propaganda has made people forget what its really all about.

And yeah, Abraham Lincoln or whatever his name was said that
The strongest bond of human sympathy outside the family relation should be one uniting working people of all nations and tongues and kindreds.
- Abraham Lincoln

But ofcourse this was before "unamerican" was a concept of wide use.

And the debate?
What are you going to do on 1st of may, do you have any plans?
And never forget, its always easier to throw a bomb downstairs than up. - George Orwell
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
April 17 2011 13:13 GMT
#2
Is anyone on tl.net a "worker"?
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
April 17 2011 13:15 GMT
#3
Yeah 115 years ago unions actually did some good , it was another 60 years before their demands became more and more ridiculous eventually leading to the destruction of many of the industries they oversaw.

I'd rather not have a holiday celebrating unions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
worosei
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia198 Posts
April 17 2011 13:17 GMT
#4
Hmm... International worker day...

we should all dress up as SCVs, Drones or Probes...

it's true of the strength of uniting workers; when SCVs stack and attack, they are ridiculously godly powerful. ... imagine if u had SCVS, Drones and Probes all stacked together, you'd have a slightly ranged, shield regenerating, health regenerating, group repairing ugly ball of death...
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 13:27:22
April 17 2011 13:24 GMT
#5
Capitalists are labourers too. It must be an odd thing to only classify certain jobs at labourers while excluding others. Apparently, only manual labor is considered, not that of the mind, the study, or of entreprenuership. This (Capitalists as labourers) definition of labor (which originated from Britain, much like most of our economic vocabulary), included all of those who exerted energy to increase productivity.

Also, guilds, federations, associations, and unions all serve vital roles. However, the problem becomes when these activities become part and parcel of Government. A few good reads:

http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/tgif/workers-of-the-world-unite/#
http://c4ss.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/C4SS-Labor.pdf
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Rflcrx
Profile Joined October 2010
503 Posts
April 17 2011 13:30 GMT
#6
On April 17 2011 22:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Yeah 115 years ago unions actually did some good , it was another 60 years before their demands became more and more ridiculous eventually leading to the destruction of many of the industries they oversaw.

I'd rather not have a holiday celebrating unions.


They said the very same thing 115 years ago, and back then they were also wrong.
MoltkeWarding
Profile Joined November 2003
5195 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-17 13:52:19
April 17 2011 13:50 GMT
#7
Having read the citations offered by the OP, it's impossible to stretch credulity further than believing in its pontifications. The enemy of "class consciousness" in America was not "national consciousness," but Individualism. The typical migrant who came to America to work in her industries has been a ladder-climber; socially ambitious and often morally unscrupulous in the process. The social "helplessness of labour" when applied to the American industrialisation era is a historical fantasy.

It's doubly strange that the capitalists should be depicted as fearing Labour movements the most in the 1920s, at a time when unskilled workers in Ford's assembly lines were being paid an enormous wage of five dollars a day.

I like Erza Pound's comment about Ford: "a revolutionist to such a degree that the bickering of the impotent reds about him is almost comic..."
Cevari
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland74 Posts
April 17 2011 13:52 GMT
#8
On April 17 2011 22:09 exeexe wrote:
What are you going to do on 1st of may, do you have any plans?


In Finland mayday's eve (30th of april) has over time turned into the biggest drinking day on the calendar, so I'll be getting together with friends and hanging out until the sun comes up. There are still some political marches by the left wing parties etc. but for the majority of finns the day just means an excuse to get completely shitfaced in public (like a couple of other major finnish holidays). This obviously means that the 1st is dominated by a national hangover.
Kniwom
Profile Joined February 2011
South Africa17 Posts
April 17 2011 13:57 GMT
#9
In honor of workers day, I will be worker-rushing on Starcraft 2 ladder all day
GERMasta
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany212 Posts
April 17 2011 15:08 GMT
#10
What are you going to do on 1st of may, do you have any plans?

Going to take a stroll through downtown Berlin with a red flag, as usual. Good times, good times.
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
April 17 2011 21:57 GMT
#11
On April 17 2011 22:30 Rflcrx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2011 22:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Yeah 115 years ago unions actually did some good , it was another 60 years before their demands became more and more ridiculous eventually leading to the destruction of many of the industries they oversaw.

I'd rather not have a holiday celebrating unions.


They said the very same thing 115 years ago, and back then they were also wrong.

UAW killed Detroit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
April 17 2011 22:03 GMT
#12
I will bitch about minimum wage and unions. Then I'll bitch about SII (chilean irs) and US government for trolling online poker.

Then i'll repeat in my mind a quote I read somewhere:

"When entrepreuners want to make more money its called greed. When the employees want to make more money its called social rights"
exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
April 30 2011 18:01 GMT
#13
Haha its tomorrow and i am looking so much forward to it. Its so epic, and im listening to the most wild music i can find with higher volume than usual :D (sorry neighboors lol)
And never forget, its always easier to throw a bomb downstairs than up. - George Orwell
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
April 30 2011 18:08 GMT
#14
Well as always, 1st of May, I will be demonstrating. This year, it will be Vienna. If you ever want to have a big party on the 1st of may, go to madrid. I was there and it was big. Hugh. Insanely hugh.
Where is my ACE flair
Roeder
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark735 Posts
April 30 2011 20:35 GMT
#15
Ironically, I have to work on Workers day(.....)


fuck yeah rebellion.

I'd rather just get together in the local park drinking a few beers with my friends. I know they are going to.
Starcraft is a mix between chess, poker and a Michael Bay movie.
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
April 30 2011 20:42 GMT
#16
[sarcasm] It would fall on a Sunday, because ya know... the evil capitalists planned it that way. [/sarcasm]
Iyerbeth
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
England2410 Posts
April 30 2011 21:04 GMT
#17
I went to a May Day march today cuz Sunday sucks. Was a lot of fun, great turn out (about 250 people on the march itself and a bigger audience for the rally after ) and a lot of really cool speakers. This year's May Day in the UK is marked by a ruthless plan of government spending cuts and attacks on the poorest in society and so was particularly important but it's a great day to stop and take stock of where we're at in preperation for the struggle going forwards.

As to tomorrow specifically, it's my brothers birthday and a Sunday so not got anything specific planned.

May Day greetings to everyone though!
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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 21:13:23
April 30 2011 21:12 GMT
#18
I have been a strong leftist for pretty much all of my life. I have never celebrated the holiday as such, with a march or anything, but I have been proud sharing my birthday with workers' day.

This is a day when everyone who is working for the man every day can imagine working for all of the other workers instead, providing things for others without being owned by someone who claims to provide that service.

Happy Mayday TL!
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3415 Posts
April 30 2011 21:18 GMT
#19
My favourite time of the year. In Poland both the 1st and 3rd of May are national holidays, which most of the time means a couple days off work and a longer weekend.
Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 21:28:04
April 30 2011 21:26 GMT
#20
I'm glad Canada doesnt recognize this "holiday". Unions encourage mediocrity by rewarding seniority instead of quality of job performed and make it almost impossible to fire incompetent workers. Unions are an outdated concept that are no longer needed to protect worker rights because their rights are already protected by laws that didnt exist when Unions were needed(at least that is the case here in Canada, I am sure some countries probably still need unions).
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32272 Posts
April 30 2011 21:36 GMT
#21
On May 01 2011 06:26 Mastermind wrote:
Unions are an outdated concept that are no longer needed to protect worker rights because their rights are already protected by laws that didnt exist when Unions were neede


Corporations usually shit on laws. What makes you think they wouldn't shit on workes despite the laws if it weren't by group unions and peer pressure?
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Deadlyfish
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1980 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 21:49:41
April 30 2011 21:47 GMT
#22
This holiday is so silly. It was kinda useful like 100 years ago but now it's just outdated. In my experience it's just another excuse for some random 15-25 year olds to get drunk and bitch about stuff, even though most of them dont even work/have never worked. At least not manual labor.

In most western countries it just doesnt mean anything anymore.

What am i gonna do? Sit at home and play starcraft and tell anyone making any noise outside to shut up They always have some parade or party or whatever, silly people interrupting my starcraft gaming.
If wishes were horses we'd be eating steak right now.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 21:52:51
April 30 2011 21:48 GMT
#23
All I have to offer are the words of the inimitable Mark Steyn, at the time commentating about the London student riots:

But I found it more poignant earlier in the day when I went to a favorite coffee place hoping to enjoy a beverage outside on a pleasant spring day as the massed ranks of British layabouts marched by. Instead, the Polish and Balkan baristas were hurriedly dragging in all the sidewalk tables and chairs before the Socialist Workers’ Party chaps showed up in search of projectiles. Nobody in the Socialist Workers’ Party actually works, which is one reason why it’s Mitteleuropeans frothing your coffee rather than any of the natives.

Devastating and hilarious, all at once.

(Cracks me up, to be honest, how college students think their tuition deserves to be paid nearly in full by the government.)

Ford has the same unions as GM etc. yet they did not ask for a bailout, bad management ruined the auto industry not Unions.

Union negotiation for ridiculous pension benefits had no effect on the companies finance? Sure, the management was shoddy, but both parties were complicit (oh, and neither should have gotten a bailout).
?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 30 2011 21:50 GMT
#24
Ford has the same unions as GM etc. yet they did not ask for a bailout, bad management ruined the auto industry not Unions.
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Djagulingu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany3605 Posts
April 30 2011 22:03 GMT
#25
This shit is even worse in Turkey. So many brainless people go out on streets and try to act like they are actually doing something useful. Just because of this reason, i won't be able to go to the library because it will be closed due to obvious reasons. Also, there will be a lot of traffic jam everywhere, so going out if out of question. For that, i can't thank enough to turkish communists. Long story short, fuck 1st of may.
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Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4198 Posts
April 30 2011 22:05 GMT
#26
On May 01 2011 06:36 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 06:26 Mastermind wrote:
Unions are an outdated concept that are no longer needed to protect worker rights because their rights are already protected by laws that didnt exist when Unions were neede


Corporations usually shit on laws. What makes you think they wouldn't shit on workes despite the laws if it weren't by group unions and peer pressure?

Corporations may shit on laws, but the unions can still be more detrimental to an individual employee than they're worth..... And in the process, screw the company over as well.

I've had a union hold me back..... So I ended up quitting.
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Yorke
Profile Joined November 2010
England881 Posts
April 30 2011 22:08 GMT
#27
On May 01 2011 06:12 thopol wrote:
I have been a strong leftist for pretty much all of my life. I have never celebrated the holiday as such, with a march or anything, but I have been proud sharing my birthday with workers' day.

This is a day when everyone who is working for the man every day can imagine working for all of the other workers instead, providing things for others without being owned by someone who claims to provide that service.

Happy Mayday TL!

Happy birthday and Mayday brother!
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Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
April 30 2011 22:22 GMT
#28
It's actually a pretty well known fact in Sweden that the Doctor's Union in Sweden is who are responsible for the horribly long lines in the healthcare system by lobbying to restrict the number of doctors that graduate each year.

Fuck unions.
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
April 30 2011 22:22 GMT
#29
Anarchistic mayday to yall
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
April 30 2011 22:29 GMT
#30
On May 01 2011 07:22 Catch]22 wrote:
It's actually a pretty well known fact in Sweden that the Doctor's Union in Sweden is who are responsible for the horribly long lines in the healthcare system by lobbying to restrict the number of doctors that graduate each year.

Fuck unions.

They are also the ones making sure we have doctors at all. Gotta love unions.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 22:37:29
April 30 2011 22:31 GMT
#31
On May 01 2011 07:29 Slakter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 07:22 Catch]22 wrote:
It's actually a pretty well known fact in Sweden that the Doctor's Union in Sweden is who are responsible for the horribly long lines in the healthcare system by lobbying to restrict the number of doctors that graduate each year.

Fuck unions.

They are also the ones making sure we have doctors at all. Gotta love unions.


No they aren't. The doctors union is responsible for the interests of people who are currently doctors, which means doing things to increase their wages, which they do by making sure there are LESS new doctors. Which means shittier healthcare for us in Sweden.

Our government has had several studies conducted that all pointed to the fact that we needed to increase the amount of alloted spaces on our educations for doctors, but the doctors union managed to throw a wrench in those plans to amp up doctor salaries.

http://svtplay.se/v/2263022/facket_vill_inte_ha_fler_lakare

Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
April 30 2011 22:49 GMT
#32
On May 01 2011 07:31 Catch]22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 07:29 Slakter wrote:
On May 01 2011 07:22 Catch]22 wrote:
It's actually a pretty well known fact in Sweden that the Doctor's Union in Sweden is who are responsible for the horribly long lines in the healthcare system by lobbying to restrict the number of doctors that graduate each year.

Fuck unions.

They are also the ones making sure we have doctors at all. Gotta love unions.


No they aren't. The doctors union is responsible for the interests of people who are currently doctors, which means doing things to increase their wages, which they do by making sure there are LESS new doctors. Which means shittier healthcare for us in Sweden.

Our government has had several studies conducted that all pointed to the fact that we needed to increase the amount of alloted spaces on our educations for doctors, but the doctors union managed to throw a wrench in those plans to amp up doctor salaries.

http://svtplay.se/v/2263022/facket_vill_inte_ha_fler_lakare


And noone would work as a doctor without the doctors union.

I know a lot of students who aim at being a doctor and I know a few nurses, all of them are super-pro unions and some of them even socialism. (I know this is really irrelevant but I still want to show you that your view on it is very misled by your own opinions on unions)
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
April 30 2011 22:51 GMT
#33
The day where Drones, Probes, and SCVs can mine in the same base!
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trevabob
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom350 Posts
April 30 2011 23:01 GMT
#34
I'm not really a fan of unions as they have (in the UK and from the things people are saying here also the US) been misused by the union leaders (e.g. the leaders claiming that their own opinion was supported by all of their union's members) which completely went against the entire purpose of unions: stopping the proletariat, which goes far beyond manual labourers, getting fucked.

Unfortunately, within the ruthless capitalist systems endemic to most of the world unions are very necessary... just one more reason to get rid of capitalism I guess :p
ShroomyD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia245 Posts
April 30 2011 23:10 GMT
#35
On May 01 2011 07:49 Slakter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 07:31 Catch]22 wrote:
On May 01 2011 07:29 Slakter wrote:
On May 01 2011 07:22 Catch]22 wrote:
It's actually a pretty well known fact in Sweden that the Doctor's Union in Sweden is who are responsible for the horribly long lines in the healthcare system by lobbying to restrict the number of doctors that graduate each year.

Fuck unions.

They are also the ones making sure we have doctors at all. Gotta love unions.


No they aren't. The doctors union is responsible for the interests of people who are currently doctors, which means doing things to increase their wages, which they do by making sure there are LESS new doctors. Which means shittier healthcare for us in Sweden.

Our government has had several studies conducted that all pointed to the fact that we needed to increase the amount of alloted spaces on our educations for doctors, but the doctors union managed to throw a wrench in those plans to amp up doctor salaries.

http://svtplay.se/v/2263022/facket_vill_inte_ha_fler_lakare


And noone would work as a doctor without the doctors union.

I know a lot of students who aim at being a doctor and I know a few nurses, all of them are super-pro unions and some of them even socialism. (I know this is really irrelevant but I still want to show you that your view on it is very misled by your own opinions on unions)

Why wouldn't they work without the doctors union?
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VegeTerran
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden214 Posts
April 30 2011 23:25 GMT
#36
For me may day is always the dilemma of social phobia or socialism.
Fresol
Profile Joined April 2009
China77 Posts
April 30 2011 23:40 GMT
#37
May 1st is a national holiday in China, people just take a day off and nothing drastic happens. Usually combined with the two days from weekend, people can go out relax bit or have a short visit to another city to see family and stuff.
Catch]22
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Sweden2683 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-30 23:52:05
April 30 2011 23:51 GMT
#38
On May 01 2011 07:49 Slakter wrote:
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On May 01 2011 07:31 Catch]22 wrote:
On May 01 2011 07:29 Slakter wrote:
On May 01 2011 07:22 Catch]22 wrote:
It's actually a pretty well known fact in Sweden that the Doctor's Union in Sweden is who are responsible for the horribly long lines in the healthcare system by lobbying to restrict the number of doctors that graduate each year.

Fuck unions.

They are also the ones making sure we have doctors at all. Gotta love unions.


No they aren't. The doctors union is responsible for the interests of people who are currently doctors, which means doing things to increase their wages, which they do by making sure there are LESS new doctors. Which means shittier healthcare for us in Sweden.

Our government has had several studies conducted that all pointed to the fact that we needed to increase the amount of alloted spaces on our educations for doctors, but the doctors union managed to throw a wrench in those plans to amp up doctor salaries.

http://svtplay.se/v/2263022/facket_vill_inte_ha_fler_lakare


And noone would work as a doctor without the doctors union.

I know a lot of students who aim at being a doctor and I know a few nurses, all of them are super-pro unions and some of them even socialism. (I know this is really irrelevant but I still want to show you that your view on it is very misled by your own opinions on unions)



Hahahaha, what? You are so far from reality it is scaring me
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
May 01 2011 23:46 GMT
#39
On May 01 2011 08:51 Catch]22 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2011 07:49 Slakter wrote:
On May 01 2011 07:31 Catch]22 wrote:
On May 01 2011 07:29 Slakter wrote:
On May 01 2011 07:22 Catch]22 wrote:
It's actually a pretty well known fact in Sweden that the Doctor's Union in Sweden is who are responsible for the horribly long lines in the healthcare system by lobbying to restrict the number of doctors that graduate each year.

Fuck unions.

They are also the ones making sure we have doctors at all. Gotta love unions.


No they aren't. The doctors union is responsible for the interests of people who are currently doctors, which means doing things to increase their wages, which they do by making sure there are LESS new doctors. Which means shittier healthcare for us in Sweden.

Our government has had several studies conducted that all pointed to the fact that we needed to increase the amount of alloted spaces on our educations for doctors, but the doctors union managed to throw a wrench in those plans to amp up doctor salaries.

http://svtplay.se/v/2263022/facket_vill_inte_ha_fler_lakare


And noone would work as a doctor without the doctors union.

I know a lot of students who aim at being a doctor and I know a few nurses, all of them are super-pro unions and some of them even socialism. (I know this is really irrelevant but I still want to show you that your view on it is very misled by your own opinions on unions)



Hahahaha, what? You are so far from reality it is scaring me


If I dont have a union protecting me and my right for my payment then I will not work as a doctor that takes years of hard studying just for a shitty payment. Simple logic.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
exeexe
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Denmark937 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-03 19:14:40
May 03 2011 19:10 GMT
#40
Yeah unions are your friends. Just take a look at places where unionism is a part of illegal activities.

http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/sita-cn.htm

The western world is so proud of having exterminated concentration camps during 2nd world war and beyond. Provided healthy and thriving conditions even for the lowerest class to such an extend that there is no need for unions anymore.

But look!!!, the concentration camps are still here just under another name (EPZ) so it can be legal!!! Even more hypocrisy - its the western world who contribute to their spreading.

But thats the 3rd world. The EPZs cant possibly spread to the western world you may say.

But i tell you this, if they succesfully can remove unionism then they will be coming for you and your life will be sucked out of you and you will be making big money, however this time the money will never reach your pocket.
And never forget, its always easier to throw a bomb downstairs than up. - George Orwell
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