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On April 03 2011 07:57 chonkyfire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 07:52 Almin wrote:On April 03 2011 07:30 chonkyfire wrote:On April 03 2011 07:27 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
that MJ has been linked to triggering a psychosis or paranoid episodes in people who are sensitive for it, that's also hard to deny.
marijuana in high doses does cause acute psychosis along with numerous other drugs The % of getting dementia later in life from marijuana has proven in studies to be very very low, like 1-2% higher then a person who never smoked pot, might be just a coincidence since the % is so small. I'm not really sure why you're bringing up dementia, we were talking about psychosis psychosis is when someone is suffering from 1 of 3 symptoms 1. hallucinations 2. delusions 3. thought disorder The average recreational dose of marijuana isn't going to cause any of these three (although it could in a small % of people), in very high doses it can cause hallucinations, thought disorder and arguably delusions. It's acute though, not chronic. That's the main point here.
What would you consider "Very high doses"
I could argue, ANYTHING in "very high doses" is unhealthy, and it is.
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Wont be getting cancer any time soon :D
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On April 03 2011 08:17 Almin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 07:57 chonkyfire wrote:On April 03 2011 07:52 Almin wrote:On April 03 2011 07:30 chonkyfire wrote:On April 03 2011 07:27 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
that MJ has been linked to triggering a psychosis or paranoid episodes in people who are sensitive for it, that's also hard to deny.
marijuana in high doses does cause acute psychosis along with numerous other drugs The % of getting dementia later in life from marijuana has proven in studies to be very very low, like 1-2% higher then a person who never smoked pot, might be just a coincidence since the % is so small. I'm not really sure why you're bringing up dementia, we were talking about psychosis psychosis is when someone is suffering from 1 of 3 symptoms 1. hallucinations 2. delusions 3. thought disorder The average recreational dose of marijuana isn't going to cause any of these three (although it could in a small % of people), in very high doses it can cause hallucinations, thought disorder and arguably delusions. It's acute though, not chronic. That's the main point here. What would you consider "Very high doses" I could argue, ANYTHING in "very high doses" is unhealthy, and it is.
yep. those "very high doses" people talk about are unreasonably high(to impossible to intake) which is just irrelevant since all other drugs and medicine would just plain kill you in such high doses.
also psychosis is VERY dependant on the person. its nothing that just happens cause of cannabis. its true that if you have a history within your family with stuff like that then overuse can trigger it(actually happened to a friend) . but for a normal person that just smokes abit it wont do anything like that ever.
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I've always wondered:
What's the difference with unhealthy foods (fried, fatty, candy, etc.) and drugs? They're supposedly both bad for you (except, unhealthy food is MUCH more apparent in over-usage). Both are kind of addictive (depending on your tolerance, but I find that a fat person has just as much of a hard time staying from cake as a druggy does weed).
But one is illegal, while the other is SOCIALLY ACCEPTABLE.
It's not JUST legal, it's normal. Probably over 80% of American eat unhealthily EVERY. DAY.
What's the difference? And if anything, why isn't occasional weed better for you? There's no marketing or fucked up, greedy corporations shoving their product down your throat via every source of media trying to advertise weed (yet).
At this rate, I'm sticking with the age-old phrase of, "FUCK DA POLICE." Illegal or not, people will still use. And if a cop has nothing better to do than track me down, he should either move or get another fucking job.
/rant
(sorry if this is completely retarded sounding, I wrote it over like a half hour, and I feel as though it may be poorly written)
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Experience isn't evidence. I'm sure it can cause it with me too, because I'm sensitive to this stuff, I've had various psychotic phases in my life and suffer from a unipolar depression.
The point is that this isn't 'causing' it as much as just bringing to the surface something that is already there. It hasn't been shown to induce psychosis into people that aren't already at risk just yet.
What are you talking about? Anybody can develop psychosis. If you binge on meth for a week you're going to get psychosis. If you stay awake for a week, you're going to get psychosis. If you eat 5 grams of dank, you're going to get psychosis.
I'm not saying smoking a joint everyday is going to turn you into a psychotic crazy person, my only claim was that weed can cause psychosis, along with lots of things.
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On April 03 2011 07:59 chonkyfire wrote:
If you have any mental illness you should never use stimulates period, and you should only use psych medicine under the care of a medical doctor
This is misleading, stimulants are used to treat many mental illnesses from ADHD to depression.
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On April 03 2011 08:17 Almin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 07:57 chonkyfire wrote:On April 03 2011 07:52 Almin wrote:On April 03 2011 07:30 chonkyfire wrote:On April 03 2011 07:27 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
that MJ has been linked to triggering a psychosis or paranoid episodes in people who are sensitive for it, that's also hard to deny.
marijuana in high doses does cause acute psychosis along with numerous other drugs The % of getting dementia later in life from marijuana has proven in studies to be very very low, like 1-2% higher then a person who never smoked pot, might be just a coincidence since the % is so small. I'm not really sure why you're bringing up dementia, we were talking about psychosis psychosis is when someone is suffering from 1 of 3 symptoms 1. hallucinations 2. delusions 3. thought disorder The average recreational dose of marijuana isn't going to cause any of these three (although it could in a small % of people), in very high doses it can cause hallucinations, thought disorder and arguably delusions. It's acute though, not chronic. That's the main point here. What would you consider "Very high doses" I could argue, ANYTHING in "very high doses" is unhealthy, and it is.
Do you know how the studies come the conclusion marijuana causes psychosis? It's because they inject massive amounts of THC without any other cannabinoids and the person who receives the THC express symptoms of psychosis.
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On April 03 2011 08:28 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 07:59 chonkyfire wrote:
If you have any mental illness you should never use stimulates period, and you should only use psych medicine under the care of a medical doctor This is misleading, stimulants are used to treat many mental illnesses from ADHD to depression.
Yes, but in the end the illness it's treating just makes it worse.
ADHD is a little different, but not as many people actually have ADHD as what is diagnosed. I could have ADHD tomorrow if I really wanted to.
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So are chemo drugs that kill off tissue.... don't see people rushing out to use those....
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I remember seeing a news article about THC and Canabaloid and marijuana in general for medical purposes.
Personally, the main problem that I see is the poster child for marijuana. It's evident even in the OP (not blaming the OP in any way) but he didn't want anti-marijuana users to debate or argue with "stoners." It's this image and association that marijuana has with "stoners" that I think stands in the way of legalizing marijuana for the benefit of society.
People make the argument that drinking is more hazardous to your health in terms of addiction, and while that is probably true, no one goes, oh man you're a "drinker" or people who eat fast food, no one goes "oh man you eat "fast food"".
I think the best solution is for those who sell medical marijuana and those who prescribe it to find a way to differentiate their business from the negative aspects of marijuana culture and the overall negative stereotype. It's my opinion that the best way to go about this is this clinicize the use of medical marijuana via the use of vaporizers and inhaler therapies. There are already diseases that are cured via the vaporization of drugs where the person who is sick inhales the medicine. I don't see why its not possible for marijuana. Doing so I think would remove the stereotype of a stoner, and put it squarely as a drug prescribed by doctors from your regular doctors office and not something that may or may not be shady.
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On April 03 2011 07:26 bRuTaL!! wrote:
What about schizophrenia? If its cancer your concerned about, eat "super" foods...
It can only lead to schizophrenia if you have a family history of it.
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On April 03 2011 08:28 chonkyfire wrote:
Do you know how the studies come the conclusion marijuana causes psychosis? It's because they inject massive amounts of THC without any of cannabinoids and the person who receives the THC express symptoms of psychosis.
What studies are you refering to specifically? Most stuides i've encountered involve humans are case studies which work with people who smoke the drug, i would be interested to learn of a study which injected large amounts of thc into a human.
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This is great news, but I think I may have to learn to make cannabutter now.
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My mom's a pharmacist. they can synthesize most cannaboids.
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On April 03 2011 08:33 AdamBanks wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 08:28 chonkyfire wrote:
Do you know how the studies come the conclusion marijuana causes psychosis? It's because they inject massive amounts of THC without any of cannabinoids and the person who receives the THC express symptoms of psychosis. What studies are you refering to specifically? Most stuides i've encountered involving humans are case studies which work with people who smoke the drug, i would be interested to learn of a study which injected large amounts of thc into a human.
There's tons.
The reason for doing it is because marijuana contains lots of different cannabinoids, so they will inject THC alone and then THC with others such as CBD and CBN, and compare the effects.
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On April 03 2011 08:37 Froadac wrote:
My mom's a pharmacist. they can synthesize most cannaboids.
with mostly untested side effects. all that sweed and whatever that shits named is exactly that. and ive heard so many complains about headaches, bad feelings and some people outright vomiting from that stuff . mind that all those people are years long expirienced smokers.
also why go the chemical way when nature makes that stuff grow in your garden?
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Ooh...interesting development here.
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On April 03 2011 08:37 chonkyfire wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 08:33 AdamBanks wrote:On April 03 2011 08:28 chonkyfire wrote:
Do you know how the studies come the conclusion marijuana causes psychosis? It's because they inject massive amounts of THC without any of cannabinoids and the person who receives the THC express symptoms of psychosis. What studies are you refering to specifically? Most stuides i've encountered involving humans are case studies which work with people who smoke the drug, i would be interested to learn of a study which injected large amounts of thc into a human. There's tons. The reason for doing it is because marijuana contains lots of different cannabinoids, so they will inject THC alone and then THC with others such as CBD and CBN, and compare the effects.
As much as I would like to trust my fellow TLer, I would still like too see a few of those studies. Im searching now but am having trouble finding one which injected patients with large amounts of thc, the ethics and methodology behind such a study would be very interesting to me. Please provide me with one.
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So cannabis cures some forms of cancer ?
I'm sure that will make alot of people with that sort of cancer a bit happier once or if people acutally legalize it as a treatment. A good step forward for humanity in my eyes.
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Great to hear, more and more evidence stacks against the nay-sayers. Marijuana has tons of beneficial effects, and has been used by Natives for years to cure ailments. It doesn't always have to be smoked, people seem to get it mixed up.
I am certain that smoking is not good, but it doesn't mean marijuana is just as bad for you as cigarettes/tobacco, it's a totally different plant all together, with totally different effects and chemicals.
Deaths from Marijuana (ever) -ZERO-
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