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Plansix
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kollin
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Aquanim
Australia2849 Posts
On April 18 2018 02:42 Starlightsun wrote: But isn't that kind of disturbing that certain countries can just launch missile strikes into other countries as a punitive action, not even being at war? It's only a concern when the country being bombed has the capability to retaliate? I just can't imagine any scenario where any middle eastern country could launch missiles into Europe or North America without it being a full declaration of war. On the one hand, we live in a world where might makes right and the US can just missile strike other countries and not expect a military response from anybody. On the other hand, we also live in a world where a government can perpetuate atrocities against its own people and not be immediately ostracised by the global community (or at least, every member of the UN security council with a veto). + Show Spoiler + Hell, at least two of those veto powers commit human rights abuses on the regular themselves... If we didn't live in the second world I'd object a lot more to the first. Even if I suspect the US abuses its privileges. | ||
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xDaunt
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On April 18 2018 09:43 Aquanim wrote: On the one hand, we live in a world where might makes right and the US can just missile strike other countries and not expect a military response from anybody. On the other hand, we also live in a world where a government can perpetuate atrocities against its own people and not be immediately ostracised by the global community (or at least, every member of the UN security council with a veto). + Show Spoiler + Hell, at least two of those veto powers commit human rights abuses on the regular themselves... If we didn't live in the second world I'd object a lot more to the first. Even if I suspect the US abuses its privileges. American military actions are always police actions. War has been abolished, except within countries. All war is civil war nowadays. Interfering in civil wars is simply humanitarian. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13932 Posts
How many assets has Iran seriously had to take away from Lebanon in order to hold on to syria in the dark days of ISIS's strength? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On April 18 2018 11:36 Sermokala wrote: I can't imagine a rational Iran playing into Israels hands like that. Isreal will retaliate a lot more effectively and a lot more viciously then the regime can probably handle at the moment. Iran has been bleeding for years while Isreal has been sitting cocooned in its relatively safe shell without so much as a headline about them other then settlements. How many assets has Iran seriously had to take away from Lebanon in order to hold on to syria in the dark days of ISIS's strength? Iran is pretty dedicated to establishing a permanent military presence in Syria and, eventually, Lebanon. As long as this remains their goal, Israel is going to keep attacking them, making it very unlikely that Iran will do nothing. Iran has the capacity to respond, and probably will. The retaliation will probably take the form of missile strikes or some other ranged bombardment from Syria. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Sermokala
United States13932 Posts
On April 18 2018 12:33 LegalLord wrote: Probably easier to just stick it to Israel via Hezbollah really. Give them better rockets or something. The direct approach is too troublesome. How much of Hezbollah is left though? I remember reading some stories about how awfully they were suffering during the dark days of the regime. I can't imagine that they want to invite retaliation on what they have left. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On April 18 2018 07:29 kollin wrote: Also worth mentioning that retaliation against US military action does come in the guise of terrorism/radicalisation/whatever True yet this terrorism and radicalization has overwhelmingly hurt countries in the Middle East and Africa. So yet again, western nation commits acts of war with impunity yet other country's people are the ones to die and suffer the consequences for it. And yeah this creation and expansion of Israel is just another example. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On April 18 2018 12:58 Sermokala wrote: How much of Hezbollah is left though? I remember reading some stories about how awfully they were suffering during the dark days of the regime. I can't imagine that they want to invite retaliation on what they have left. Actually, Hezbollah is probably at the apex of its power right now. They've been armed to the teeth by Iran, are battle-hardened, and have more support in Lebanon than they've ever had thanks to ISIS polarizing the region. Israel will still run them over (and the rest of Syria and Lebanon) if there's a war, but it will be very costly. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13932 Posts
On April 18 2018 13:47 xDaunt wrote: Actually, Hezbollah is probably at the apex of its power right now. They've been armed to the teeth by Iran, are battle-hardened, and have more support in Lebanon than they've ever had thanks to ISIS polarizing the region. Israel will still run them over (and the rest of Syria and Lebanon) if there's a war, but it will be very costly. I don't agree. They may have the arms and experience but it has had to come at the cost of a lot of manpower. A lot of that experience is against an army that wasn't in the same century of warfare that Isreal is at. ISIS didn't have active anti tank missile defenses and a legitimate airforce. | ||
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AssyrianKing
Australia2111 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5281 Posts
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L1ghtning
Sweden353 Posts
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Broetchenholer
Germany1944 Posts
 Seriously... | ||
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Acrofales
Spain17992 Posts
On April 18 2018 23:28 Broetchenholer wrote: You are the guy telling us we cannot trust our media because they are all lying to us, but russian state television is obviously okay? Note that they are claiming in that video, that it never happened, not that a rebel group did it. Which was your strongest move so far, saying the rebels did it to lure the americans back into a war. So now Russia says it never happened, so what exactly is the "think for your self"- reasoning now? America just wanted to fire some Tomahawks for fun, so they staged a chemical attack? Or did the rebels stage a chemical attack so damn well, that the whole world believed it, except for the people living there. Because noone asked them Seriously... In addition, it is not very surprising regardless of who did it. The Syrian media is no doubt yelling on all frequencies that the rebels/US did it, and Assad and his allies are the only thing keeping them safe from these terrorists. So if you believe the rebels/US dropped gas bombs on your town, of course you'll welcome "your saviors" with open arms. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On April 18 2018 23:28 Broetchenholer wrote: You are the guy telling us we cannot trust our media because they are all lying to us, but russian state television is obviously okay? Note that they are claiming in that video, that it never happened, not that a rebel group did it. Which was your strongest move so far, saying the rebels did it to lure the americans back into a war. So now Russia says it never happened, so what exactly is the "think for your self"- reasoning now? America just wanted to fire some Tomahawks for fun, so they staged a chemical attack? Or did the rebels stage a chemical attack so damn well, that the whole world believed it, except for the people living there. Because noone asked them Seriously... Anyone who believes the Russian state media is clearly in the midst of a confirmation bias, but the same could be said of Western media. When it comes to bombing stuff abroad, motivations are often complex and hidden, and rely on a variety of factors other than just wanting to make the world a better place. For the UK, specifically some within our government, there are plenty of reasons to want to bomb stuff: https://evolvepolitics.com/theresa-mays-husbands-investment-firm-made-a-financial-killing-from-the-bombing-of-syria/ (yeah I know the source is bad, in fact I would go as far as to say its propaganda, but as far as demonstrating possible motives - this article does the job.) I'd believe the BBC over RT any day of the week, but I still wouldn't believe the BBC, because they get their information from people who have a vested interest in keeping the public uninformed on *some* matters. | ||
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Broetchenholer
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