EPTIraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 414
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RvB
Netherlands6209 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9118 Posts
On April 14 2018 12:38 BigFan wrote: ^ pretty much. I listen to Arabic sources, much more legit and trustable imo. From what they have been saying, it didn't take place and is being used as justification here. Not much else to add unfortunately (too lazy/busy to write more in-depth). Care to share some of those sources? To me the more people from unrelated organizations/institutions an alternative explanation requires to be in on a lie the further it gets from being plausible. Why would people volunteering for medical work in Syria be helping intelligence agencies to create a pretext for intervention and do so with no one breaking the line like they're all some hardened agents? That would be a more elaborate hoax than faking the moon landing, and for what? Removing a Russian ally that may or may not be replaced by someone better? Does France even give a shit about that? On the other hand I do understand skepticism about who did it, since determining it is purely a matter of intelligence that involves a much smaller circle of people from agencies with a spotty reputation. Though this one comes with problems of its own, such as access or the targets involved. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
macron restored his public support? trump changed american news narrative. uk avenged russia for that assassination. there’s a turkish saying for these situations. “let neighbors see me shopping” | ||
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plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
Russia and Iran, two of Syria's adamant backers do a very impressive job of making any investigations and reports credible anyway, they can just deny it and everyone moves on even if there might or might not be substantial evidence. It's a losing battle against countries that have total control over the media sphere and influences of their own peoples for many more years to come. It's quite amazing how effective and reaching the social media and news machines are especially of Russia and also Turkey after the recent events. | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
On April 14 2018 23:29 Jockmcplop wrote: You can always tell when someone's asking the right questions because they get cut off by a major news network... + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpdT79rm1ts The man is brave, that awkward moment when you speak of the truth and ask completely logical questions. | ||
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
On April 14 2018 21:23 Gorsameth wrote: Since people have questioned the attack and why Assad did it. France has declassifed their report on the chemical attack, including why he uses it. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-france-intellige/french-declassified-intelligence-report-on-syria-gas-attacks-idUSKBN1HL0N1 Thanks for providing this. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On April 14 2018 23:29 Jockmcplop wrote: You can always tell when someone's asking the right questions because they get cut off by a major news network... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpdT79rm1ts Reminds me of this one from a couple years ago. Less blatant cutoff, but watch the way the host flounders on the response. Edit: That French "intelligence report" is impressive in how much it pussyfoots around the issue of providing proof. It's basically: 1. A chemical attack happened. 2. Syrian govt was making advances in the area at the time. 3. It makes sense that Syrian govt would use those attacks [citation needed]. 4. Other chemical attacks have happened before in Syria and we assume Assad did those as well. 5. Therefore, Assad used chemical weapons this time. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
I think the 'this is not the most logical move for the Syria regime and therefore they didn't do it' defense is not very strong though. Lots of decisions get made without being the best most logical option every day. Humans are kind of bad at it, especially under the duress of say, a years long civil war. I really don't think their field commanders think very often about 'how will the international community react' before doing things. They've already done tons of other terrible things. Like it or not it's extremely likely it was Assad forces who used the chem weapons given the circumstances. Is this enough reason to just bomb a country? Not so sure, since bombing rarely solves anything. But neither does appeasement for chemical weapon usage. So it's a shit situation all around. | ||
Falling
Canada11350 Posts
On April 15 2018 01:16 Disregard wrote: The man is brave, that awkward moment when you speak of the truth and ask completely logical questions. Well, what's the alternative explanation then? Skynews is part of the plot to launch some missiles at Syrian facilities? | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/mena/2018/04/11/open-source-survey-alleged-chemical-attacks-douma-7th-april-2018/ | ||
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Disregard
China10252 Posts
On April 15 2018 03:21 Falling wrote: Well, what's the alternative explanation then? Skynews is part of the plot to launch some missiles at Syrian facilities? The praise is towards the fact that he can challenge such claims referring to the current situation about Assad winning this battle against the US and it's allies. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9650 Posts
On April 15 2018 03:21 Falling wrote: Well, what's the alternative explanation then? Skynews is part of the plot to launch some missiles at Syrian facilities? This is what Peter Ford thinks: Its a little bit conspiracy theory but these guys are well respected, involved people who are asking questions no-one seem to be permitted to ask, If military tension is escalating all over the place we need to be more careful about the consequences of what we are doing, and look at the bigger picture. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Minor scuffle between "every single one of our missiles hit in our perfect strike" Trump and the Syrian govt that says they shot down 70% or so. Would be interesting from a military standpoint to figure out which is accurate. I'm leaning towards it not being "perfect 100% ideal attack" given that cruise missile use suggests risk aversion in using direct airstrikes and there is actually fairly decent AA hardware in the Syrian govt's possession. | ||
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raga4ka
Bulgaria5679 Posts
On April 14 2018 21:23 Gorsameth wrote: Since people have questioned the attack and why Assad did it. France has declassifed their report on the chemical attack, including why he uses it. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-france-intellige/french-declassified-intelligence-report-on-syria-gas-attacks-idUSKBN1HL0N1 1. I still see no clear evidence that it was Assad's forces that have used the chemical weapons, testimonies from West funded organization like "The White helmets" are not very credible. France apparently gets it's evidence from images and videos published online without naming their sources, "but are generally considered reliable". 2. I don't see an explanation of the timing of the use of the weapons: a.when Syria and Russia have all but captured Ghouta, like hours away from completely capturing the region b.right after Trump declared he would withdraw US forces from Syria. What's even the purpose of the 2 US basess in the oil rich region of Syria, as well as the french bases, since Daesh is already defeated, are they protecting the oil? 3. Why didn't the US and allies wait for the OPCW investigation which is on the way, before conducting an Air-strike, not to mention that it was Illegal with no UN resolution, which by now shows that it is not needed to wage an attack on a foreign state (act of war). 4. If Assad really bombs and gasses syrian civilians only, why hasn't the 21 million population of Syria turned against him, and he still enjoys support from the overwhelming majority of the syrian population. Maybe the reason for the majority of the civilian casualties is because the terrorists/moderate rebels were using them as hostages/ human shield. Normally when a civilian's life is in danger they would flee to a safer place, which was the case to those who were able flee to government owned territories. Most of the so called free syrian army (FSA) by now is made from foreign funded mercenaries and terrorists. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On April 15 2018 07:22 raga4ka wrote: 4. If Assad really bombs and gasses syrian civilians only, why hasn't the 21 million population of Syria turned against him, and he still enjoys support from the overwhelming majority of the syrian population. Maybe the reason for the majority of the civilian casualties is because the terrorists/moderate rebels were using them as hostages/ human shield. Normally when a civilian's life is in danger they would flee to a safer place, which was the case to those who were able flee to government owned territories. Most of the so called free syrian army (FSA) by now is made from foreign funded mercenaries and terrorists. Are you serious? The population did turn against him for killing civilians. 7 years ago...it started a civil war that still hasn't ended. Read page 1 of the thread to see what happens if you protest Assad. | ||
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Tekkenmicro
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AssyrianKing
Australia2111 Posts
A good example is Mohamed Morsi & Egypt. As soon as he and the muslim brotherhood came into power it was a nightmare for Coptic Christians. Over 100 churches were attacked and half of them burnt down. Kidnapping of christian women is epidemic happening in the country. The scariest part was, The Musim Brotherhood started forming false accustations of Christians which led to violence against them. El-sisi came and removed the muslim brotherhood. People are always screaming opposition! opposition! opposition! But none of you even realise the reprucussions it would have. Christians from Iraq loved and hated Saddam Hussain. Yes he was a power hungry asshole, but he kept the population under control and did not tolerate sectarianism, something which the future government has failed in doing. In 2003 Iraq had 1.5 million Assyrians, that number has now decreased to less than 300,000 and is only decreasing. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4332 Posts
https://mobile.twitter.com/majdkhalaf1993/status/985258961258598400 https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/large-scale-explosion-reported-at-iranian-base-in-syria/amp/ | ||
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