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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
September 03 2013 09:38 GMT
#2241
Russians reported a missile was shot from water, obviously by a submarine.
Muricans prolly testing syria's aa weapons.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
September 03 2013 09:57 GMT
#2242
Was 2 missiles not 1.
Damascus reporting they dove back into the sea.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 10:06:38
September 03 2013 10:06 GMT
#2243
US still hasn't armed the opposition
In June, the White House authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to help arm moderate fighters battling the Assad regime, a signal to Syrian rebels that the cavalry was coming. Three months later, they are still waiting.

The delay, in part, reflects a broader U.S. approach rarely discussed publicly but that underpins its decision-making, according to former and current U.S. officials: The Obama administration doesn't want to tip the balance in favor of the opposition for fear the outcome may be even worse for U.S. interests than the current stalemate.

U.S. officials attribute the delay in providing small arms and munitions from the CIA weapons program to the difficulty of establishing secure delivery "pipelines" to prevent weapons from falling into the wrong hands, in particular Jihadi militants also battling the Assad regime.

Allied rebel commanders in Syria and congressional proponents of a more aggressive military response instead blame a White House that wants to be seen as responsive to allies' needs but fundamentally doesn't want to get pulled any deeper into the country's grinding conflict.
source

Syria prepares for war
A senior Syrian official on Monday said that both the Syrian army and its ally Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shiite group, would strike back in the event of a U.S.-led offensive by first hitting American warships now in the Mediterranean Sea.

Referring to Hezbollah as the resistance, Khaled Abboud, a parliament member and confidant of President Bashar al-Assad, told The Wall Street Journal: "The resistance and the armed forces are now one body. In my assessment, Hezbollah will side with Syria in certain operations targeting warships in the Mediterranean."

The regime warned Syrians to beware of rumors which it said were part of possible psychological warfare that could be waged by the U.S. and its allies. This included "rumors about the escape of important people from the country" and "videos of people impersonating Syrian officials," read full-page advertisements in state newspapers.

Meanwhile a group of staunch regime supporters launched a campaign titled "over our dead bodies," which members said involves camping out in tents in areas likely to be targeted by U.S. military strikes.

The organizer, Ogarit Dandash, a Lebanese reporter with the pro-Syrian regime channel Al-Mayadeen, said hundreds of people from across Syria and neighboring Lebanon were joining the campaign and that it would be expanded in coming days to other locations that they believed were likely to be targeted by U.S. strikes.
source
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
September 03 2013 11:43 GMT
#2244
On September 03 2013 18:11 nunez wrote:
@phanekim
i think i posted the link to that earlier, from the original apge, really interesting read. notice how one eyewitness say "huge gas bottle", that doesn't sound like a weapon...

link to post

Well the rebels have been using gas tanks;

[image loading]

Filled with explosives as ammo, for the Hell Cannon and other DIY weapons.

[image loading]


They could be using oxigen tanks or water pipes to use as missiles too, so the fact that a eyewitness say that he saw a huge gas bottle doesn't say much tbh :/.

Also guys beware of RT, it has made up stories quite a few times, i have seen them said that "a group of FSA terrorists have been captured crossing the border with Turkey with Chemical Weapons to fire them towards unknown targets" so i'll take anything they say as a grain of salt.

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-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
September 03 2013 11:57 GMT
#2245
And CNN is a pinnacle of truth reporting....
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13069 Posts
September 03 2013 12:05 GMT
#2246
On September 03 2013 20:57 -Archangel- wrote:
And CNN is a pinnacle of truth reporting....


Which news actually are telling the whole truth and not having a biased aproach nowadays? They are all the same .
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
September 03 2013 12:15 GMT
#2247
On September 03 2013 21:05 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 20:57 -Archangel- wrote:
And CNN is a pinnacle of truth reporting....


Which news actually are telling the whole truth and not having a biased aproach nowadays? They are all the same .

Well Al Jazeera is quite fair, i haven't see them hide many important truths or blatantly lie yet, but they have a bias towards Muslims as you could imagine.

And yeah, CNN is not the pinnacle of truth either, but at least their lies are not that facepalm worthy as RT's ones
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HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 12:34:17
September 03 2013 12:29 GMT
#2248
+ Show Spoiler +
On September 03 2013 20:43 Uvantak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 18:11 nunez wrote:
@phanekim
i think i posted the link to that earlier, from the original apge, really interesting read. notice how one eyewitness say "huge gas bottle", that doesn't sound like a weapon...

link to post

Well the rebels have been using gas tanks;

[image loading]

Filled with explosives as ammo, for the Hell Cannon and other DIY weapons.

[image loading]


They could be using oxigen tanks or water pipes to use as missiles too, so the fact that a eyewitness say that he saw a huge gas bottle doesn't say much tbh :/.

Also guys beware of RT, it has made up stories quite a few times, i have seen them said that "a group of FSA terrorists have been captured crossing the border with Turkey with Chemical Weapons to fire them towards unknown targets" so i'll take anything they say as a grain of salt.



Well Turkish police said that they caught Nusra guys with ''suspicious materials'' which in the end appeared to be antifreeze.

A Turkish envoy to Russia insisted in a Wednesday news conference that suspicious materials seized recently from Syrian militants were harmless and could not be used as chemical weapons, despite Moscow's public suggestions to the contrary, Interfax news agency reported.

"The substance that was intercepted was seized," Aydin Sezgin, Ankara's ambassador to Moscow, told reporters in the Russian capital. "As it turned out, it was antifreeze, and we informed our Russian counterparts about it."
source

Also unrelated
Israel carries missile test in the Mediterranean
Israel says it has carried out a joint missile test with the U.S. in the Mediterranean Sea amid heightened tensions as Washington weighs sea-launched strikes against Syria.

The Defense Ministry said Tuesday that it, together with the U.S. Defense Department, had carried out a "successful test" in the Mediterranean and on an air force base in central Israel.

Russian state-owned news agencies earlier said Russian radar systems had detected two "ballistic objects" fired from the central Mediterranean toward the eastern part of the sea.

The United States, which has warships in the Mediterranean, is considering strikes against Syria for an Aug. 21 alleged chemical weapons attack in a Damascus suburb.
source
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
Uvantak
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Uruguay1381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 12:54:35
September 03 2013 12:53 GMT
#2249
Brown Moses has published an incredible detailed blog about the Chemical attack of the 21th, it goes starts by identifying the type of ammunition claimed to have been carring the chemical weapons, and it finish with his opinion to what side he thinks now used the chemical weapons, a must read.

http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/a-detailed-summary-of-evidence-on.html

I remind you that General Mohammed Aslan was executed a few days ago, reasons are unknown but he was the person in charge of the Chemical Weapons unit of the Regime

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=203676&currentpage=98#1957



Thanks for the insight Hearth, that explains why did RT said such thing, but it still is is a long shot to have some guys captured with some "mysterious chemicals" and say that they where reportedly carrying CW towards Turkey.
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HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
September 03 2013 13:06 GMT
#2250
On September 03 2013 21:53 Uvantak wrote:
Brown Moses has published an incredible detailed blog about the Chemical attack of the 21th, it goes starts by identifying the type of ammunition claimed to have been carring the chemical weapons, and it finish with his opinion to what side he thinks now used the chemical weapons, a must read.

http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/a-detailed-summary-of-evidence-on.html

I remind you that General Mohammed Aslan was executed a few days ago, reasons are unknown but he was the person in charge of the Chemical Weapons unit of the Regime

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=203676&currentpage=98#1957



Thanks for the insight Hearth, that explains why did RT said such thing, but it still is is a long shot to have some guys captured with some "mysterious chemicals" and say that they where reportedly carrying CW towards Turkey.


Never heard about Mohammad Aslan. Upon searching a bit a found scarce news about it like this one
Arab media reported that the Free Syrian Army claimed they killed General Muhammad Aslan, who was in charge of the chemical attack in the outskirts of Damascus two weeks ago.

The rebels presented a photo Aslan's dead body, however no other sources confirmed the report. (Roi Kais)
source

...and this one
Twenty four hours prior to Obama's speech, it was announced that General Muhammad Aslan Assad, chief of the chemical warfare unit, a member of the Aslan clan, the head of whom General Ali Aslan was Hafiz Assad's defense chief, suddenly died.

A guess, based on experience on the part of this blog is in place here: The unfortunate general was executed by Bashar envoys, so as to silence any potential witness and also direct the blame away from the dictator. The Syrians have some experience in this kind of stuff, and a few years ago General Ghazy Kana'an, the Assads long-time chief of operations in Lebanon, mysteriously died after the murder of P.M. Rafiq Hariri, which Kana'an was behind.
source

Now there is a difference between him being executed by Assad and him being assassinated by FSA. Nevertheless it is strange that such an important event hasn't been covered by bigger news outlets.
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18209 Posts
September 03 2013 13:51 GMT
#2251
I just read the Guardian's profile on Brown Moses. Pretty fascinating how he pieced all that evidence about the war in Syria together from youtube footage, with no background in weapons at all.

Well, between 3 independent intelligence agencies I am starting to be convinced that Assad actually used chemical weapons. I am still on the fence about whether any kind of intervention would be a good thing. I am convinced that external interference there will do more harm than good in the long run, but I do agree that if we, as the international community, just sit on our hands it sends a terrible signal to other autocratic leaders.
tokyo.shop
Profile Joined September 2013
Belgium2 Posts
September 03 2013 13:53 GMT
#2252
--- Nuked ---
EtherealBlade
Profile Joined August 2010
660 Posts
September 03 2013 14:35 GMT
#2253
On September 03 2013 21:15 Uvantak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 21:05 SkelA wrote:
On September 03 2013 20:57 -Archangel- wrote:
And CNN is a pinnacle of truth reporting....


Which news actually are telling the whole truth and not having a biased aproach nowadays? They are all the same .

Well Al Jazeera is quite fair, i haven't see them hide many important truths or blatantly lie yet, but they have a bias towards Muslims as you could imagine.

And yeah, CNN is not the pinnacle of truth either, but at least their lies are not that facepalm worthy as RT's ones


Al Jazeera is good, but they are biased in the Syrian conflict since they are a Qatar based studio.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 14:57:47
September 03 2013 14:45 GMT
#2254
Nordic statement on UN obligations as stated in the CW convention.

The missiles were an Israeli "sparrow" missile test, with American technical (no forces present) support. It was claimed that the missile test was long planned, but it was probably arranged by the US as a signal to Israel and other allies that the Syria vote in Congress does not prejudice any commitments to regional allies.

Defector (mentioned on the previous page), was a Syrian medicine expert who says he has evidence that Assad used CW. He will give a press conference in Turkey at 5pm. Cancelled due to security concerns.

Source
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
iMOOrtal
Profile Joined March 2013
Canada144 Posts
September 03 2013 19:22 GMT
#2255
On September 03 2013 23:35 EtherealBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 21:15 Uvantak wrote:
On September 03 2013 21:05 SkelA wrote:
On September 03 2013 20:57 -Archangel- wrote:
And CNN is a pinnacle of truth reporting....


Which news actually are telling the whole truth and not having a biased aproach nowadays? They are all the same .

Well Al Jazeera is quite fair, i haven't see them hide many important truths or blatantly lie yet, but they have a bias towards Muslims as you could imagine.

And yeah, CNN is not the pinnacle of truth either, but at least their lies are not that facepalm worthy as RT's ones


Al Jazeera is good, but they are biased in the Syrian conflict since they are a Qatar based studio.


Just out of curiosity have you yourself watched any of the coverage on AJ? I have and speaking as a Canadian observer they seem very legit.
Nine to Five? Or, Five to Nine?
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 20:46:23
September 03 2013 20:45 GMT
#2256
Key indicator that politicians are bought a paid for:

During the financial crisis, end of 2008, it was a Democratic house and senate lead by Nancy Pelosi that worked with a Republican president to the rescue of the big banks.

Now we have a Republican house working with Obama to bomb Syria.

You see, when its a really important issue (war and banking), they can find a common ground.

Otherwise, (health care, debt limit, education, gun violence, 1000 other things) not so much.

This shit is still going down, they're just going to flood everyone with propoganda for 2 weeks until they do. Then NFL action will be underway and no one will notice anything.

DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
September 03 2013 20:48 GMT
#2257
On September 04 2013 05:45 dsousa wrote:
Key indicator that politicians are bought a paid for:

During the financial crisis, end of 2008, it was a Democratic house and senate lead by Nancy Pelosi that worked with a Republican president to the rescue of the big banks.

Now we have a Republican house working with Obama to bomb Syria.

You see, when its a really important issue (war and banking), they can find a common ground.

Otherwise, (health care, debt limit, education, gun violence, 1000 other things) not so much.

This shit is still going down, they're just going to flood everyone with propoganda for 2 weeks until they do. Then NFL action will be underway and no one will notice anything.



parties oppose each other it's a smokescreen to hide the fact that they're all working for the illuminati

parties work together and it's proof that they're all working for the illuminati

sometimes people of different and even opposing political beliefs agree actually it's quite common
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
BioNova
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States598 Posts
September 03 2013 20:50 GMT
#2258
On September 03 2013 22:51 Acrofales wrote:
I just read the Guardian's profile on Brown Moses. Pretty fascinating how he pieced all that evidence about the war in Syria together from youtube footage, with no background in weapons at all.

Well, between 3 independent intelligence agencies I am starting to be convinced that Assad actually used chemical weapons. I am still on the fence about whether any kind of intervention would be a good thing. I am convinced that external interference there will do more harm than good in the long run, but I do agree that if we, as the international community, just sit on our hands it sends a terrible signal to other autocratic leaders.


Greetings
Especially now as the report directly implicating Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan supplying sarin to rebel factions in Syria to carry out the deadly attack gathers more attention, the US needs to be more forthcoming in its sharing of its intelligence that points toward the Assad regime as carrying out the attack. And so far, Russia is not pleased with US behavior on that front:


“What we were shown before and recently by our American partners, as well as by the British and French, does not convince us at all,” Mr. Lavrov said on Monday. “There are no facts, there is simply talk about ‘what we definitely know.’ But when you ask for more detailed evidence, they say that it is all classified, therefore it cannot be shown to us. This means there are not such facts to encourage international cooperation.”

Mr. Lavrov also took a direct jab at Mr. Kerry. “It is very strange to hear, when we recently discussed the issue, my good colleague, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, say that the American side had produced irrefutable evidence for Russia of the Assad regime using chemical weapons, and then claiming that Russians deliberately refused to recognize the fact.”

Lavrov has a dire prediction for the consequences of a US attack carried out without the consent of the UN Security Council:


“If someone tries to make gross violations of international law a norm, then we will create chaos,” Mr. Lavrov warned. “We will create a situation where the U.N. Charter and the principles under which all the nations of the world have signed up, including the principle of unanimous agreement of the permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, the so-called right of veto, which the United States insisted on — then all of these principles will simply collapse.”
- See more at: http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/09/03/rush-to-syrian-war-what-about-us-relations-with-iran-and-russia/#more-37857


Source

I believe the phrase is 'not convinced" Better get some credibility dogs on that AP reporter. Then work on that death toll talking point. It's already sloppy.

Source
I used to like trumpets, now I prefer pause. "Don't move a muscle JP!"
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
September 03 2013 21:14 GMT
#2259
On September 04 2013 05:48 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 05:45 dsousa wrote:
Key indicator that politicians are bought a paid for:

During the financial crisis, end of 2008, it was a Democratic house and senate lead by Nancy Pelosi that worked with a Republican president to the rescue of the big banks.

Now we have a Republican house working with Obama to bomb Syria.

You see, when its a really important issue (war and banking), they can find a common ground.

Otherwise, (health care, debt limit, education, gun violence, 1000 other things) not so much.

This shit is still going down, they're just going to flood everyone with propoganda for 2 weeks until they do. Then NFL action will be underway and no one will notice anything.



parties oppose each other it's a smokescreen to hide the fact that they're all working for the illuminati

parties work together and it's proof that they're all working for the illuminati

sometimes people of different and even opposing political beliefs agree actually it's quite common


Is it common for Boehner and McCain to come to Obama's defense?

I don't know a single thing about Illuminati, or why you bring it up. My commentary is purely on a corrupt system that shows itself through bad acting.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
September 03 2013 21:19 GMT
#2260
On September 04 2013 06:14 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 05:48 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On September 04 2013 05:45 dsousa wrote:
Key indicator that politicians are bought a paid for:

During the financial crisis, end of 2008, it was a Democratic house and senate lead by Nancy Pelosi that worked with a Republican president to the rescue of the big banks.

Now we have a Republican house working with Obama to bomb Syria.

You see, when its a really important issue (war and banking), they can find a common ground.

Otherwise, (health care, debt limit, education, gun violence, 1000 other things) not so much.

This shit is still going down, they're just going to flood everyone with propoganda for 2 weeks until they do. Then NFL action will be underway and no one will notice anything.



parties oppose each other it's a smokescreen to hide the fact that they're all working for the illuminati

parties work together and it's proof that they're all working for the illuminati

sometimes people of different and even opposing political beliefs agree actually it's quite common


Is it common for Boehner and McCain to come to Obama's defense?

I don't know a single thing about Illuminati, or why you bring it up. My commentary is purely on a corrupt system that shows itself through bad acting.

McCain has been pro-War since day 1 and his main critique of Obama's foreign policy was and has been for the last 6 years that it isnt bloody enough. So on this question, its not that surprising. If Ron Paul or some other isolationist-Republican had joined Obama in calling for the war, that would have been surprising. I assume he posted the illuminati stuff because you were the guy who posted that weird conspiracy theory-by-smoking-hot-arab-chick video and he was gently mocking you.
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