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Please guys, stay on topic.

This thread is about the situation in Iraq and Syria.
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
September 03 2013 21:25 GMT
#2261
The politics of Obama's decision to defer to Congress. Instead of spouting nonsense on illuminati and corruption, read the readily available explanations why it is rational for each actor to behave as they currently are: Source

Note, the last article is slightly GOP biased, but it's obvious enough that you can filter it out.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18285 Posts
September 03 2013 21:58 GMT
#2262
On September 04 2013 05:50 BioNova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 22:51 Acrofales wrote:
I just read the Guardian's profile on Brown Moses. Pretty fascinating how he pieced all that evidence about the war in Syria together from youtube footage, with no background in weapons at all.

Well, between 3 independent intelligence agencies I am starting to be convinced that Assad actually used chemical weapons. I am still on the fence about whether any kind of intervention would be a good thing. I am convinced that external interference there will do more harm than good in the long run, but I do agree that if we, as the international community, just sit on our hands it sends a terrible signal to other autocratic leaders.


Greetings
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Especially now as the report directly implicating Saudi intelligence chief Prince Bandar bin Sultan supplying sarin to rebel factions in Syria to carry out the deadly attack gathers more attention, the US needs to be more forthcoming in its sharing of its intelligence that points toward the Assad regime as carrying out the attack. And so far, Russia is not pleased with US behavior on that front:


“What we were shown before and recently by our American partners, as well as by the British and French, does not convince us at all,” Mr. Lavrov said on Monday. “There are no facts, there is simply talk about ‘what we definitely know.’ But when you ask for more detailed evidence, they say that it is all classified, therefore it cannot be shown to us. This means there are not such facts to encourage international cooperation.”

Mr. Lavrov also took a direct jab at Mr. Kerry. “It is very strange to hear, when we recently discussed the issue, my good colleague, U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, say that the American side had produced irrefutable evidence for Russia of the Assad regime using chemical weapons, and then claiming that Russians deliberately refused to recognize the fact.”

Lavrov has a dire prediction for the consequences of a US attack carried out without the consent of the UN Security Council:


“If someone tries to make gross violations of international law a norm, then we will create chaos,” Mr. Lavrov warned. “We will create a situation where the U.N. Charter and the principles under which all the nations of the world have signed up, including the principle of unanimous agreement of the permanent members of the U.N. Security Council, the so-called right of veto, which the United States insisted on — then all of these principles will simply collapse.”
- See more at: http://www.emptywheel.net/2013/09/03/rush-to-syrian-war-what-about-us-relations-with-iran-and-russia/#more-37857


Source

I believe the phrase is 'not convinced" Better get some credibility dogs on that AP reporter. Then work on that death toll talking point. It's already sloppy.

Source


Well, I trust the US intelligence about as far as I can throw it. But it was corroborated by the German and French intelligence services (not all of it, like the numbers ther emptywheel rightfully questions, but the important parts were). I still think everybody use the available diplomatic channels to get an actual international effort, preferrably through a UN resolution, to step in in Syria. If that means waiting for the UN to get their report in, then so be it.

However, what I said earlier was that, given the mounting evidence, I am now believing that not only were there CW used, but they were used by Assad's regime and not the rebels. That merits a response. Not the US dropping bombs in the name of democracy, though, a thought-out response from the entire international community (or that part of it that matters in this case, such as Iran, Russia and China, together with the US and Europe).
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
September 03 2013 22:00 GMT
#2263
Live stream of Congress hearing about Syria

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Syria_9
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
xM(Z
Profile Joined November 2006
Romania5299 Posts
September 03 2013 22:23 GMT
#2264
could Assad (assuming here he was behind the chem. attack) be trying to force somehow Russia to make (more) concessions to his cause?, to get involved more?, to give him weapons or whatever else that would give him a clear edge in the war?.
i don't know, maybe the nut wants nukes.

if (by now it's a matter of when but still, if) the syrian regime falls to unsanctioned by UN, US and Israels military attacks, could the russians next move be stationing nukes in iran?.
And my fury stands ready. I bring all your plans to nought. My bleak heart beats steady. 'Tis you whom I have sought.
RCMDVA
Profile Joined July 2011
United States708 Posts
September 03 2013 22:32 GMT
#2265
McCain playing video poker during the hearing....awesome.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/the-senates-syria-hearing-live-updates/?id=ed01ca14-222b-4a23-b12c-c0b0d9d4fe0a

Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
September 03 2013 22:32 GMT
#2266
On September 04 2013 06:14 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 05:48 DeepElemBlues wrote:
On September 04 2013 05:45 dsousa wrote:
Key indicator that politicians are bought a paid for:

During the financial crisis, end of 2008, it was a Democratic house and senate lead by Nancy Pelosi that worked with a Republican president to the rescue of the big banks.

Now we have a Republican house working with Obama to bomb Syria.

You see, when its a really important issue (war and banking), they can find a common ground.

Otherwise, (health care, debt limit, education, gun violence, 1000 other things) not so much.

This shit is still going down, they're just going to flood everyone with propoganda for 2 weeks until they do. Then NFL action will be underway and no one will notice anything.



parties oppose each other it's a smokescreen to hide the fact that they're all working for the illuminati

parties work together and it's proof that they're all working for the illuminati

sometimes people of different and even opposing political beliefs agree actually it's quite common


Is it common for Boehner and McCain to come to Obama's defense?

I don't know a single thing about Illuminati, or why you bring it up. My commentary is purely on a corrupt system that shows itself through bad acting.


Because god forbid politicians can actually...AGREE on something for once? Even...*gasp*, across party lines?

No. Silly me. Silly, silly me.
oranget
Profile Joined August 2013
Slovakia22 Posts
September 03 2013 22:34 GMT
#2267
oranget
Profile Joined August 2013
Slovakia22 Posts
September 03 2013 22:58 GMT
#2268
interview with Bashar Al Assad http://www.syriaonline.sy/?f=Details&catid=12&pageid=7073
oranget
Profile Joined August 2013
Slovakia22 Posts
September 03 2013 23:14 GMT
#2269
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/09/02/321665/ron-paul-syria-gas-attack-a-false-flag/
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18285 Posts
September 03 2013 23:39 GMT
#2270
On September 04 2013 07:58 oranget wrote:
interview with Bashar Al Assad http://www.syriaonline.sy/?f=Details&catid=12&pageid=7073

How did an interviewer as bad as that get to interview what is probably right now one of the hardest to access people on the planet?

Honestly, they should have sent hotbid.

Other than that, there is nothing new there.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18857 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-03 23:40:33
September 03 2013 23:39 GMT
#2271
Why don't you add some content to your posts, oranget? Otherwise, you look like nothing more than a Gladwrap shill.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 04 2013 00:49 GMT
#2272
First Brigade of FSA in Damascus, the Rukkedin Martyrs’ Battalion, capture hanger of surface-to-surface missiles:

http://syriancrisis.wordpress.com/2013/09/04/rukkidine-martyrs-brigade-capture-surface-to-surface-missiles/


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
crazyweasel
Profile Joined March 2011
607 Posts
September 04 2013 02:04 GMT
#2273
reddit has given birth to this pearl showing how ridiculous the military intervention is :

http://i.imgur.com/n2NH2Yf.jpg
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 04 2013 02:06 GMT
#2274
that's just reddit being retarded.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
crazyweasel
Profile Joined March 2011
607 Posts
September 04 2013 02:22 GMT
#2275
On September 04 2013 11:06 oneofthem wrote:
that's just reddit being retarded.

or is it simply this military intervention that is retarded? To tell you the truth I don't know which one is most retarded
crazyweasel
Profile Joined March 2011
607 Posts
September 04 2013 02:26 GMT
#2276
On September 03 2013 21:05 SkelA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2013 20:57 -Archangel- wrote:
And CNN is a pinnacle of truth reporting....


Which news actually are telling the whole truth and not having a biased aproach nowadays? They are all the same .


al jazeerah was fine for a while
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 04 2013 02:28 GMT
#2277
firing some missiles into some assad compounds seems like a mild response to what happened there.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
September 04 2013 03:15 GMT
#2278
On September 04 2013 11:28 oneofthem wrote:
firing some missiles into some assad compounds seems like a mild response to what happened there.


You should enlist, join the cause, fight for freedom against evildoers!
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
September 04 2013 03:21 GMT
#2279
On September 04 2013 12:15 dsousa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2013 11:28 oneofthem wrote:
firing some missiles into some assad compounds seems like a mild response to what happened there.


You should enlist, join the cause, fight for freedom against evildoers!


haven't seen you sign up for assad's militia to fight terrorism and save the world from rothschild banker imperialism yet
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
dsousa
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1363 Posts
September 04 2013 05:46 GMT
#2280
http://tribune.com.pk/story/599235/sweden-grants-blanket-asylum-to-syrian-refugees/

Now that's how you step up and help the situation.

GG Sweden!
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