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On March 19 2011 04:28 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 22:13 ayadew wrote: Now he's threatening to bomb civilians in other countries.. desperate much ? Does Lybia have missiles capable of striking the Europe?
According to Wiki, he owns over 400 SCUD-B missiles. Not sure how far their range is.
But he certainly has the power to sink boats in the Mediterranean.
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Communications down in Benghazi once again. Calls from Mics in Benghazi summoning Rebels to prepare to meet Gaddafi forces.
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On March 19 2011 04:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Communications down in Benghazi once again. Calls from Mics in Benghazi summoning Rebels to prepare to meet Gaddafi forces.
Now would be a good time for UN air support :S
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Hopefully France wasn't exaggerating when they said that their aircraft would be on station in hours. They're the fastest responders for this.
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BREAKING Al Jazeera Arabic reporting the following from Benghazi
* Telecommunications have been cut from Benghazi * Geminis and Sullog areas (approximately 50km south west of Benghazi) currently under heavy attack * Gaddafi has used the navy to deploy troops in Gargoora region to make headway * Gaddafi’s troops have progressed 60km in 2 hours towards Benghazi * Reports that Gaddafi’s troops entered Misratah hospital today and killed the wounded * Reports of 1200 families fled Ajdabiya via Al Kufrah headed towards Qubbah and Tobruk * AlHurra Radio in Benghazi is calling on the Benghazi youth to take arms and prepare for battle * The majority of media crews have left Benghazi after Saif’s threats. Al Jazeera is the only media team left in Benghazi
http://www.libyafeb17.com/
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On March 19 2011 04:43 Ghad wrote: BREAKING Al Jazeera Arabic reporting the following from Benghazi * Telecommunications have been cut from Benghazi * Geminis and Sullog areas (approximately 50km south west of Benghazi) currently under heavy attack * Gaddafi has used the navy to deploy troops in Gargoora region to make headway * Gaddafi’s troops have progressed 60km in 2 hours towards Benghazi * Reports that Gaddafi’s troops entered Misratah hospital today and killed the wounded * Reports of 1200 families fled Ajdabiya via Al Kufrah headed towards Qubbah and Tobruk * AlHurra Radio in Benghazi is calling on the Benghazi youth to take arms and prepare for battle * The majority of media crews have left Benghazi after Saif’s threats. Al Jazeera is the only media team left in Benghazi http://www.libyafeb17.com/
ow good lord, hurry up UN(or anyone really), if they really do get to Benghazi then it will be a massacre most likely.
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...Definitely not a ceasefire, then. Hope the insurgents hold the line until the UN gets rolling.
This will make for an epic movie, one way or the other, in a decade.
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On March 19 2011 04:33 acker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 04:28 ImFromPortugal wrote:On March 18 2011 22:13 ayadew wrote: Now he's threatening to bomb civilians in other countries.. desperate much ? Does Lybia have missiles capable of striking the Europe? According to Wiki, he owns over 400 SCUD-B missiles. Not sure how far their range is. But he certainly has the power to sink boats in the Mediterranean.
Scud-B Missiles (R-17/R-300 USSR designation) have a maximum range of ~300 km, with an accuracy of within 450m, presuming they are actually SCUD-B type missiles without any technological upgrades since the 1960-1970 era, Lybia's long-range defensive capabilities seem relatively trivial compared to most modern countries'.
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On March 19 2011 04:49 Ichabod wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2011 04:33 acker wrote:On March 19 2011 04:28 ImFromPortugal wrote:On March 18 2011 22:13 ayadew wrote: Now he's threatening to bomb civilians in other countries.. desperate much ? Does Lybia have missiles capable of striking the Europe? According to Wiki, he owns over 400 SCUD-B missiles. Not sure how far their range is. But he certainly has the power to sink boats in the Mediterranean. Scud-B Missiles (R-17/R-300 USSR designation) have a maximum range of ~300 km, with an accuracy of within 450m, presuming they are actually SCUD-B type missiles without any technological upgrades since the 1960-1970 era, Lybia's long-range defensive capabilities seem relatively trivial compared to most modern countries'.
seems they have the s-300's (air defense systems)
Libya pursuing big Russian arms deal: report
(AFP) – Jan 26, 2010
MOSCOW — Libya is seeking to buy more than two billion dollars worth of Russian arms including 20 fighter planes, the Interfax news agency reported on Tuesday, citing a military-diplomatic source.
The report came as Libya's defence minister was due to visit Russia in the latest sign of renewed cooperation between Moscow and the North African state, which enjoyed close ties during the Cold War.
"Libya is ready to buy around 20 fighter planes, at least two divisions of S-300PMU2 air defence systems and several dozen T-90S tanks from Russia, and also to modernise more than 140 T-70 tanks and other weapons," the source said.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5htO8-7-hk_FjRVIfTLTSq2_1UfWg
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Reports a massacre may have taken place at Ajdabiya #Libya #Feb17 #gaddaficrimes
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On March 19 2011 05:21 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Reports a massacre may have taken place at Ajdabiya #Libya #Feb17 #gaddaficrimes

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Man from Ajdabiya vows get his revenge on G, even if dead will dig him up and burn him, as men women children and elders killed #Libya
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On March 19 2011 04:28 ImFromPortugal wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 22:13 ayadew wrote: Now he's threatening to bomb civilians in other countries.. desperate much ? Does Lybia have missiles capable of striking the Europe?
Most likely no.
Even if they did it would be the dumbest move ever. You want to see the UN with fire under their ass? By all means, fire a missile at a European EU country. They are only slow at the moment because they are still wondering if their self interests warrant an intervention(which it seems to have determined yes...finally)....this is irrelevant the moment Libya attempts to attack another country.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-12791910
Mr Obama said Col Gaddafi's troops must pull back from rebel-held towns including Benghazi, and the authorities must allow in humanitarian aid.
"If he does not comply, the international community will impose consequences," said Mr Obama. "The resolution will be enforced by military action."
But the US president stressed that the initiative was an international effort.
"The United States is not going to deploy ground troops into Libya and we're not going to use force to go beyond a well-defined goal, specifically the protection of civilians in Libya," he said.
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This is far beyond the point of "evil Gaddafi forces massacring innocent civilian protestors", more like hostile and armed rebels who are firing back. It's a war out there. The only two possible outcomes are the quelling of the insurgents, or outside forces interfering on a bigger role than just a "no-fly zone" resulting in the inevitable destruction of the whole country, kinda like Iraq.
Even if an invasion of Benghazi isn't possible or successful, the rest of the country is still under control of the government for the most part. The city is isolated. If the rebellion isn't outright stopped, it will be slowly smothered. It will certainly not grow beyond the current point, and if it isn't in Tripoli, then it's fruitless.
As for attacking other countries, especially in Europe, that will never happen, it's just empty threats like the North Koreans do every now and then.
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Gaddafi is certainly a good strategist, at least i consider his moves as such.
The problem i now see is the libyan army feels threatened from outside, like a cornered mouse with their adrenaline all high up.
The moment outside threats appear, the neutral and pro-gadafi population/army/libyans will just get more motivation and tighten up around him. I doubt UN took that into consideration, we still don't have a clue how much is with Gaddafi and how much against. I start to think there's less people against him than those with him, arguments being the slow down in rebbels numbers, the ceasing of protests and no more betrayals in the army's ranks.
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On March 19 2011 06:07 Pika Chu wrote: Gaddafi is certainly a good strategist, at least i consider his moves as such.
The problem i now see is the libyan army feels threatened from outside, like a cornered mouse with their adrenaline all high up.
The moment outside threats appear, the neutral and pro-gadafi population/army/libyans will just get more motivation and tighten up around him. I doubt UN took that into consideration, we still don't have a clue how much is with Gaddafi and how much against. I start to think there's less people against him than those with him, arguments being the slow down in rebbels numbers, the ceasing of protests and no more betrayals in the army's ranks.
There have been several protests in Tripoli and Sirte not so long ago. They raised the rebel flag on one of the buildings in Sirte. Sirte is his birth town btw. Also there isn't a lot more gadaffi can do except what he is doing now. And it looks like nobody is impressed by it if we go by Obama's words.
Plus the rebels gained a lot of momentum when the no fly zone got accepted by the UN. The situation is just very unclear atm we'll have to see how things turn out let's hope they'll turn out good for the people there.
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On March 19 2011 06:07 Pika Chu wrote: Gaddafi is certainly a good strategist, at least i consider his moves as such.
The problem i now see is the libyan army feels threatened from outside, like a cornered mouse with their adrenaline all high up.
The moment outside threats appear, the neutral and pro-gadafi population/army/libyans will just get more motivation and tighten up around him. I doubt UN took that into consideration, we still don't have a clue how much is with Gaddafi and how much against. I start to think there's less people against him than those with him, arguments being the slow down in rebbels numbers, the ceasing of protests and no more betrayals in the army's ranks.
Right, but hopefully you did. Hundreds of experts have failed to see this, but thank god internet geniuses manage to see through this.
Please read your statements before posting.
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Which countries are going into Libya exactly? UK,US, France and who else?
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On March 19 2011 07:00 Cain0 wrote: Which countries are going into Libya exactly? UK,US, France and who else?
Norway, Denmark is being voted upon but I have little faith there, neither do I have faith in my own country :<
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