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Ilfirin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States102 Posts
February 20 2011 23:30 GMT
#61
gaddafi may have left... twitter reports have been saying it for a bit, and AJE has put it on it's live blog, though no confirmations ofc
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
February 20 2011 23:30 GMT
#62
Saif claims that "Imperialism will come to Lybia. The American and European fleeds will occupy you. They will never accept an Islamic occupation" lmao
It does not need to be fun to be fun.
ziggymondais
Profile Joined July 2009
United States238 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 23:32:14
February 20 2011 23:30 GMT
#63
On February 21 2011 08:11 Grumbels wrote:
Are there any Western equivalents for these demonstrations where hundreds of protesters were killed? The number strikes me as high even by historical standards.


I'm sure there are plenty of examples from the 20th century, but the unfortunate thing is that so much has been buried under the hands of dictators.

Poznan 1956

Bloody Sunday 1972

Also check out some of the violence in the US in the early 20th century regarding union busting (although union busting typically involved a corporation hiring people to do the busting as opposed to a government).
blomsterjohn
Profile Joined June 2008
Norway474 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 23:32:38
February 20 2011 23:31 GMT
#64
Wow this really is something, if the mubarak speeches triggered further people demonstrating... what will this do..
DumEN
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden123 Posts
February 20 2011 23:33 GMT
#65
Wow, feels like he has begun 'the end' of this speech 5+ times.
Derminator
Profile Joined May 2010
27 Posts
February 20 2011 23:35 GMT
#66
On February 21 2011 02:25 Pika Chu wrote:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-02/19/c_13739109.htm
Show nested quote +
TRIPOLI, Feb. 18 (Xinhua) -- Libya's anti-government protesters hanged two policemen in the eastern city of Al-Baida, Oea newspaper reported Friday on its website.

The two policemen who were trying to disperse protesters that swept the city on Wednesday were hanged after protesters managed to hold them, Oea newspaper reported on its website.

Meanwhile, the paper said that a group of protesters killed the managing director of AL-Galaa hospital in downtown Benghazi, Libya 's second largest city. The victim's body was tortured, it added.


This is bad. I won't ask myself why there's going to be much more force used by police/military. There is always a problem with angry mobs doing absolutely absurd things like that instead of just protesting. Now you understand why policeman/soldiers will shit their pants and shoot to kill in some cases. Unlike the police/army the mob is not coordinated, the mob is driven by fury, it does not think. God help if the police/army will become driven by fury or revenge wish or even worse... fear.

Do you think it's wise to take the word of a Chinese newspaper at face value?

My guess is they're going to be demonizing these protesters as much as possible, just so their own populace doesn't get inspired by them.

No one should he surprised by Libya's violent response to the protests, Qaddafi is about the worst of the worst in terms of dictators there (now that Saddam is dead), essentially a psychopath.

Good luck to the people of Libya but with that madman standing in their way they're going to need a lot of luck to succeed.
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 23:36:49
February 20 2011 23:36 GMT
#67
It is really a weird feeling knowing that people in Lybia are seeing this live now. God, I love the internet, so powerful.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 20 2011 23:36 GMT
#68
I've got a headache listening to this guy, first it was the US/Europe fueling the protests to take over now it is Tunisians and Egyptians fueling the crisis in order to take Libya's oil.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
February 20 2011 23:36 GMT
#69
He's a horrible speaker, concidering what he's trying to do.

The real question now is, can he make reality of his threats? Because from the looks of it that means fullblown civil war. Otherwise it's probably just over.
ziggymondais
Profile Joined July 2009
United States238 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-20 23:40:51
February 20 2011 23:36 GMT
#70
His comment about the "Libyan army is not the Tunisian or Egyptian army" is just chilling.

Edit: and jeebus, his closing, or whatever you call it, about fighting to the last man... and calling pretty much everyone other than loyalists as traitors. Sheesh!
CarlyZerg
Profile Joined December 2010
United States113 Posts
February 20 2011 23:38 GMT
#71
On February 21 2011 08:35 Derminator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2011 02:25 Pika Chu wrote:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-02/19/c_13739109.htm
TRIPOLI, Feb. 18 (Xinhua) -- Libya's anti-government protesters hanged two policemen in the eastern city of Al-Baida, Oea newspaper reported Friday on its website.

The two policemen who were trying to disperse protesters that swept the city on Wednesday were hanged after protesters managed to hold them, Oea newspaper reported on its website.

Meanwhile, the paper said that a group of protesters killed the managing director of AL-Galaa hospital in downtown Benghazi, Libya 's second largest city. The victim's body was tortured, it added.


This is bad. I won't ask myself why there's going to be much more force used by police/military. There is always a problem with angry mobs doing absolutely absurd things like that instead of just protesting. Now you understand why policeman/soldiers will shit their pants and shoot to kill in some cases. Unlike the police/army the mob is not coordinated, the mob is driven by fury, it does not think. God help if the police/army will become driven by fury or revenge wish or even worse... fear.

Do you think it's wise to take the word of a Chinese newspaper at face value?

My guess is they're going to be demonizing these protesters as much as possible, just so their own populace doesn't get inspired by them.

No one should he surprised by Libya's violent response to the protests, Qaddafi is about the worst of the worst in terms of dictators there (now that Saddam is dead), essentially a psychopath.

Good luck to the people of Libya but with that madman standing in their way they're going to need a lot of luck to succeed.


I'd trust a Chinese newspaper about as much as I'd trust an American one...

and if you think there's going to be a populist revolt in China anytime soon, well, starting to look like you don't know very much about the world.
DumEN
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden123 Posts
February 20 2011 23:39 GMT
#72
did he just say "thousands".. might actually be accurate
tenacity
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
1587 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-21 00:05:11
February 20 2011 23:50 GMT
#73


according to the youtube title it shows qadafi forces shooting at protestors. the video quality is horrible, I don't see who is who, but the gun fire sounds very real ...



found a second video: NSFW

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Darpa
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada4413 Posts
February 21 2011 00:01 GMT
#74
This is really scary. I wish those people all the best. Unfortunatly, usually those with guns win the day. I really hope some sort of reasonable dialogue can happen.
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RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
February 21 2011 00:15 GMT
#75
On February 21 2011 09:01 Darpa wrote:
This is really scary. I wish those people all the best. Unfortunatly, usually those with guns win the day. I really hope some sort of reasonable dialogue can happen.


That would be best-case scenario.... but good luck getting that with Gaddafi. The man is a power-hungry nutjob. This is the guy who said that Obama has an inferiority complex because he's actually an Arab.

As you can see, a complete lunatic.
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Ilfirin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States102 Posts
February 21 2011 00:27 GMT
#76
it seems as though everyone is marching towards tripoli, and have taken green square, also possibly gaddafi's compound (bbc, http://www.libyafeb17.com/, twitter)
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 21 2011 00:29 GMT
#77
Heavy gunfire "all over" Tripoli.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44077 Posts
February 21 2011 00:31 GMT
#78
On February 21 2011 08:21 Cain0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2011 08:11 Grumbels wrote:
Are there any Western equivalents for these demonstrations where hundreds of protesters were killed? The number strikes me as high even by historical standards.



Bloody sunday in 1972 when our army went into northern ireland and killed 26 unarmed citizens for some reason. Total disgrace.

There was a little more to the Northern Ireland situation than that.
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ziggymondais
Profile Joined July 2009
United States238 Posts
February 21 2011 00:36 GMT
#79
[image loading]

Reactions to Saif's speech in Libya

From the live blog of Al Jazeera

"Citizens tried to attack the army and they were in a situation that was difficult. The army was not used to dealing with riots," he says. "Libyan citizens died and this was a tragedy.

"There is a plot against Libya. People want to create a government in Benghazi and others want to have an Islamic emirate in Bayda. All these [people] have their own plots. Of course Arab media hyped this. The fault of the Libyan media is that it did not cover this. Libya is not like Egypt, it is tribes and clans, it is not a society with parties. Everyone knows their duties and this may cause civil wars.

Libya is not Tunisia and Egypt. Libya has oil - that has united the whole of Libya. I have to be honest with you. We are all armed, even the thugs and the unemployed. At this moment in time, tanks are driven about with civilians. In Bayda you have machine guns right in the middle of the city. Many arms have been stolen.

No one will come to Libya or do any business with Libya. We will call for new media laws, civil rights, lift the stupid punishments, we will have a constitution... We will tomorrow create a new Libya. We can agree on a new national anthem, new flag, new Libya. Or be prepared for civil war.

Forget about oil. The country will be divided like North and South Korea, we will see each other through a fence. You will wait in line for months for a visa. The Libyans who live in Europe and USA, their children go to school and they want you to fight. They are comfortable. They then want to come and rule us and Libya. They want us to kill each other then come, like in Iraq."
Ilfirin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States102 Posts
February 21 2011 00:39 GMT
#80
interview on AJE live with a doctor in Begnhazi that they had, indeed, secured the city! She said at least 300 dead in the city, but everybody is celebrating now.

http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
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