EPTOn February 10 2011 14:06 geometryb wrote:
the history of jesus
the history of jesus
The history of Jesus is better documented than for any other person up to and far past that point in history. Don't take my word for it. Read up on it yourself.
What are some debatable accounts of history? - Page 16
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
The history of Jesus is better documented than for any other person up to and far past that point in history. Don't take my word for it. Read up on it yourself. | ||
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shaunnn
Ireland1230 Posts
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Alay
United States660 Posts
On February 10 2011 14:07 travito wrote: Despite the atrocities of the holocaust, Hitler was a brilliant leader. He can be credited with huge a economic boom during his time, as well as military success. My question is why is he painted as the posterboy for evil when Stalin and Mao both killed thousands more people under their rule? I am in no way trying to undermine the horrors of the holocaust, but I don't really understand why Stalin or Mao don't get the same negative attention that Hitler does. :/ Because Hitler tried committed genocide on the Europeans. He did to them what they had been doing to other groups for hundreds of years with colonization, and they really didn't like that. Stalin and Mao had different reasoning behind their killings, so they don't get as much attention--plus, they haven't grown as infamous through media portrayal. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
On February 10 2011 17:20 meegrean wrote: I think most of the amazing stuff that Jesus did was probably fictional. Nowadays if anybody claims to be the son of God, they would be sent to a mental institution. He was killed because he claimed to be the son of God. | ||
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On February 11 2011 02:26 yellowmoe wrote: The horse rider theory suggests that the Japanese royals are of Korean descent. This is due to the fact that in Kofune tombs in Japan (Ancient Royal tombs), they found stirrups and other horse equipment among the royalty's prized possessions. Because horses did not exist in ancient Japan, some people believe Koreans rode their horses through ancient Japan and became their kings. + Show Spoiler + http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/04/080428-ancient-tomb.html Some people, not me personally, think that Confucius is of korean descent. + Show Spoiler + There was a lot of contact between Baekje and Japan, and pretty much all of the written Chinese language, Confucianism, and Buddhism went to Japan through Korea so there's a lot of overlap. But the Confucius-was-Korean just sounds like a bunch of nationalistic bullshit that really doesn't hold much ground at all. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 11 2011 02:33 danl9rm wrote: The history of Jesus is better documented than for any other person up to and far past that point in history. Don't take my word for it. Read up on it yourself. I don't take your word on it, and I read up on it before, and it is false. | ||
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Treemonkeys
United States2082 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On February 11 2011 02:39 danl9rm wrote: He was killed because he claimed to be the son of God. Actually even Bible does not say that. If he was really killed by the Romans, they killed him because they saw him as political troublemaker. As far as you were not seen as threatening their political rule Romans did not really care that much about religion. They were definitely more tolerant than abrahamic religions. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
What happened to them ?? Also, do people believe that Germany had ..highly advanced tech during WW2? I believe Von Braun(inventor of rockets and shit i think) even admitted they had help from an "outside source"(aka Aliens more or less) | ||
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Alexhandr
United States218 Posts
On February 11 2011 02:10 Haemonculus wrote: No political affiliation? I don't think I've seen a single post from you that isn't a hilarious parody of a right wing nutter. "As an AMERICAN, with my BIBLE and GUN in hand, I love my COUNTRYYYY" etc etc On topic, I've always been torn on the whole 9/11 thing. I find it impossible to think that it could have been an inside job... But the whole building 7 thing has never made sense to me, t.t; I am a conservative. But I do not have a political party nor at this point in time support any of them. And at least I can give my opinions and not feel guilty. I am surrounded by people who disagree with me, and I'm fine with that. It's not for me to force anything on anyone. But if everyone else can say and give their opinion without being trolled, so should I. I hate this bullcrap where if someone has a different political view than you, they must be dumb or some kind of moron. I do not believe Obama was born in Kenya. And I honestly don't think he's Muslim either. But some of these theories are outright insane, but when you bring Obama into it it's suddenly too crazy? Sorry, but that is called hypocrisy. I called it out. | ||
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shaunnn
Ireland1230 Posts
On February 11 2011 02:51 arb wrote: The supposed german scientists who were working on UFO tech that suddenly disappeared and were never seen again What happened to them ?? Also, do people believe that Germany had ..highly advanced tech during WW2? I believe Von Braun(inventor of rockets and shit i think) even admitted they had help from an "outside source"(aka Aliens more or less) Rofl, I hope this is a joke but if not, The united kingdom kidnapped most of germanys best scientists who were either indifferent or afraid of the nazis and their crimes and didnt leave the country during ww2 near the end and put the them in a house with hidden voice recorders, germany started out way ahead with atomic research but fell behind due to hitler not willing to invest as much as america/europe did into the research and the physicist not wanting to collaborate etc. The conversations were all released to the public in 99 i think and they were extremely candid in terms of discussing germanys current research and not one mention of UFOs or aliens. And one of the scientists was heisenberg who was at the pinnacle of physics at the time and later went on to develop quantumn mechanics with others, so im sure he would have known. Not that something this silly needs a proper counter proof though | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On February 11 2011 01:56 woowoo wrote: No one was able to explain the "vaporization" of the pentagon plane after behind sucked in a 2 m wide hole, where are the tons of metal of the plane? We are told they just vaporized in the atmosphere due to the fire high temperature, a better explanation would be a protoss mothership passing by and casting vortex on the pentagon, the results are the same. Yes, it was explained. There really is very little to an airplane. Its just a lightweight frame, and covered by a thin skin. Hardly any steel or other heavy duty structural elements. So when you smash it into a thick wall, it basically disintegrates. I saw a video of a medium sized plane on a rail getting thrown headlong into a 10ft thick concrete wall at about 200 mph as a test.....and in the aftermath, not only was there surprisingly little damage to the wall, but the plane basically disappeared into an indistinguishable pile of rubble. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On February 11 2011 02:59 Alexhandr wrote: I am a conservative. But I do not have a political party nor at this point in time support any of them. And at least I can give my opinions and not feel guilty. I am surrounded by people who disagree with me, and I'm fine with that. It's not for me to force anything on anyone. But if everyone else can say and give their opinion without being trolled, so should I. I hate this bullcrap where if someone has a different political view than you, they must be dumb or some kind of moron. I do not believe Obama was born in Kenya. And I honestly don't think he's Muslim either. But some of these theories are outright insane, but when you bring Obama into it it's suddenly too crazy? Sorry, but that is called hypocrisy. I called it out. I've no real qualms with people with differing views. It's just that a lot of your posts on TL have been so absurd that I honestly haven't been able to tell if you were conservative, or doing an over-the-top Colbert-style parody. | ||
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Maenander
Germany4927 Posts
On February 11 2011 01:46 Piy wrote: Everything gets continuously revised, usually in a generation or two after things happen. The holocaust is undergoing a revisionist period right now, instead of it being a from the top down operation (where the only people that had knowledge of the camps was the top ranking Nazi's, which was a popular view about 40 years ago) its become more of a grass roots thing, with people looking all the way back to Martin Luther's anti-semitic writings to explain it. So the blame is getting shifted more towards German and Polish civilians, who would rise up and kill their Jewish population without SS provocation, as well as cultural values, and is moving away from a view that states that the SS and high ranking Nazi's were the only major perpetrator's of it. I just read a lot about the subject and also saw a documentary about it. Anti-semitism in europe was a problem since way before Luther (e.g. look up the crusades), and certainly was deeply rooted in the civilian populations of central and eastern europe. This doesn't change the fact that most killings happened in a highly organized fashion, and were hidden from the public to some degree. Incidents of populations spontaneously rising up and killing jews were concentrated on some villages in the east, and certainly inspired by the known anti-semitism of the german occupying force. The civilian population was by no means innocent though, and most germans knew or at least guessed what was happening to the jews. This was one of the reasons a lot of germans fought until the bitter end, because they feared the revenge of the victors, and they knew of their own guilt. | ||
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BeefyKnight
United States127 Posts
On February 11 2011 01:56 woowoo wrote: About the Twin Tower and their collapsing, I read the plane hit and fuel burning was enough to get the towers to collapse, now look at the videos of the second Iraki war and see how the iraki TV building resisted several tomahawks and didn't collapsed under heavy fire and structural destruction from the missiles, better throw commercial planes at the ennemy then, cheaper and more effective than advanced cruise missiles to destroy buildings. No one was able to explain the "vaporization" of the pentagon plane after behind sucked in a 2 m wide hole, where are the tons of metal of the plane? We are told they just vaporized in the atmosphere due to the fire high temperature, a better explanation would be a protoss mothership passing by and casting vortex on the pentagon, the results are the same. I agree and this made me chuckle, thank you for that sir. | ||
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BeefyKnight
United States127 Posts
On February 11 2011 03:03 Sm3agol wrote: Yes, it was explained. There really is very little to an airplane. Its just a lightweight frame, and covered by a thin skin. Hardly any steel or other heavy duty structural elements. So when you smash it into a thick wall, it basically disintegrates. I saw a video of a medium sized plane on a rail getting thrown headlong into a 10ft thick concrete wall at about 200 mph as a test.....and in the aftermath, not only was there surprisingly little damage to the wall, but the plane basically disappeared into an indistinguishable pile of rubble. The engines of a Boeing 757 are 6 tons each, of almost solid steel and titanium. If you believe anything short of entering the Earths atmosphere could cause this to completely disintegrate, you are mistaken. Not even a nuke could do that. Not to mention that if a plane did hit the only section of the pentagon that was being reinforced to withstand a plane crash(any red flags here?), at the minimum where is the damage caused by these engines smashing into the building? Why is the only damage a 20 ft wide cylindrical hole? Planes are not cylinders, they have wings with very large very heavy engines on them and a tail. why is the building completely unscathed where these would have hit? | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
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huameng
United States1133 Posts
On February 11 2011 02:59 Alexhandr wrote: I am a conservative. But I do not have a political party nor at this point in time support any of them. And at least I can give my opinions and not feel guilty. I am surrounded by people who disagree with me, and I'm fine with that. It's not for me to force anything on anyone. But if everyone else can say and give their opinion without being trolled, so should I. I hate this bullcrap where if someone has a different political view than you, they must be dumb or some kind of moron. I do not believe Obama was born in Kenya. And I honestly don't think he's Muslim either. But some of these theories are outright insane, but when you bring Obama into it it's suddenly too crazy? Sorry, but that is called hypocrisy. I called it out. Multiple people for jokingly saying the Holocaust was fake, how can you claim hypocrisy? I guess they are being hypocritical in your favor! | ||
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Bibdy
United States3481 Posts
I think this is the video Sm3agol is referring to: | ||
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Sm3agol
United States2055 Posts
On February 11 2011 03:39 BeefyKnight wrote: The engines of a Boeing 757 are 6 tons each, of almost solid steel and titanium. If you believe anything short of entering the Earths atmosphere could cause this to completely disintegrate, you are mistaken. Not even a nuke could do that. Not to mention that if a plane did hit the only section of the pentagon that was being reinforced to withstand a plane crash(any red flags here?), at the minimum where is the damage caused by these engines smashing into the building? Why is the only damage a 20 ft wide cylindrical hole? Planes are not cylinders, they have wings with very large very heavy engines on them and a tail. why is the building completely unscathed where these would have hit? No, YOU are mistaken. And they did not "completely disintegrate", they found parts of them all over the Pentagon, just not in one solid piece, due to them, you know, running through a thick concrete wall. You can say not even a nuke could destroy them, but that doesn't make it so. Planes ARE cylinders. The wings are the lightest part of the plane, and past the engines there is very little support, or anything that is even close to being able to blow a hole in a concrete wall. You bringing up the tail just makes me want to completely disregard everything you even try to say. Aircraft tails have been ripped off by telephone poles. There is NOTHING to an aircrafts tail, it's lightweight aluminum covered by a think skin. And there was a 16 - 20 foot hole in the building...the plane cylinder is 13x14 feet, it matches up almost perfectly. But don't let simple facts get in the way of a good water cooler conspiracy theory session. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1 | ||
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