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oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6678 Posts
July 20 2015 19:39 GMT
#1261
Dragon survived that?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 20 2015 19:46 GMT
#1262
There are several dragons not just one.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-20 19:58:07
July 20 2015 19:50 GMT
#1263
Strut that faied in ground tests shown to have problems in the grain structure of the steel.

Falcon Heavy slips to Spring 2016.

No evidence of assemply errors of the strut in photos.


Audio conference is done.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6678 Posts
July 20 2015 20:01 GMT
#1264
On July 21 2015 04:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
There are several dragons not just one.

I didn't imply otherwise. The video of the accident didn't look very survivable with all that debris, especially since the uncrewed Dragon has no abort system.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
July 20 2015 21:59 GMT
#1265


Pretty cool how they found the problem.
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
July 21 2015 01:08 GMT
#1266
Official SpaceX statement.
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 21 2015 18:34 GMT
#1267


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
hypercube
Profile Joined April 2010
Hungary2735 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-22 01:31:04
July 22 2015 00:09 GMT
#1268
On July 21 2015 05:01 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2015 04:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
There are several dragons not just one.

I didn't imply otherwise. The video of the accident didn't look very survivable with all that debris, especially since the uncrewed Dragon has no abort system.


Yes. If you watch the Scott Manley video above you can see it at 0:31, slowly leaving the frame in the 1h direction. Seems like it came off before the rocket was completely destroyed.

I haven't watched the press conference but the press release doesn't mention the oxidizer and the fuel mixing in the second stage. It seems like when the propellent tank was blown open by the excess helium Dragon was blown off of the vehicle as well. The first stage kept firing so it flew through the debris of the first stage leading to a second, more powerful explosion that destroyed everything. But by this time Dragon was at a safe distance.

There's probably some luck involved too. If Dragon didn't get enough sideways momentum or stayed attached to the second stage it would have got destroyed. Which is why the crew abort system uses Dragon's own propulsion system to steer it clear of the explosion when something goes wrong with the rocket.
"Sending people in rockets to other planets is a waste of money better spent on sending rockets into people on this planet."
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6678 Posts
July 22 2015 01:38 GMT
#1269
Yeah, you can see something fall off in the accident video but I don't think people definitively said what it was earlier. It's amazing to watch the event now that we basically know what happened. Like, at max Q and everything, and before the nosecone jettison, the capsule somehow graciously falls off without recontacting the rocket, falls through the engine plumes, and then when it falls it could have been flying nose first still. I mean maybe the Eagle has wings but Dragon clearly has scales.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 23 2015 08:02 GMT
#1270
The race to deliver the internet from space isn't primarily playing out in engineering laboratories and among rocket scientists. Instead, most of the fireworks are happening in federal registries as lawyers spar over regulatory issues.

Two companies, SpaceX and OneWeb, are trying to launch an array of satellites capable of delivering fiber-level speeds to any point on Earth. SpaceX is the presumptive favorite, as Elon Musk's company has proven itself capable of making its own way to space, and it's got $1 billion from Google and Fidelity to play around with. OneWeb, started by industry veteran Greg Wyler, is no slouch either: It's got backing from Virgin CEO Richard Branson and the largest launch deal of all time, sponsored by a German company called Arianespace. It's also got money coming in from Intelsat, one of the largest satellite manufacturers in the world.

That last deal is where things get interesting: Earlier this month, Intelsat filed an "informal complaint" with the Federal Communications Commission asking the agency to prevent SpaceX from launching two experimental satellites to test the technology.

Intelsat said in the complaint that SpaceX's satellite communications could interfere with Intelsat's existing infrastructure and said that it's possible SpaceX's satellites could collide with Intelsat’s as they are making their way to geostationary orbit, which is a higher orbit than the low Earth orbits both OneWeb and SpaceX plan on using. Intelsat also demanded that the FCC reject SpaceX's request to keep specific details of its experimental plan confidential.


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fLyiNgDroNe
Profile Joined September 2005
Belgium4151 Posts
July 23 2015 18:56 GMT
#1271
NASA's Kepler mission has confirmed the first near-Earth-size planet in the “habitable zone” around a sun-like star. This discovery and the introduction of 11 other new small habitable zone candidate planets mark another milestone in the journey to finding another “Earth.”

The newly discovered Kepler-452b is the smallest planet to date discovered orbiting in the habitable zone -- the area around a star where liquid water could pool on the surface of an orbiting planet -- of a G2-type star, like our sun. The confirmation of Kepler-452b brings the total number of confirmed planets to 1,030.

"On the 20th anniversary year of the discovery that proved other suns host planets, the Kepler exoplanet explorer has discovered a planet and star which most closely resemble the Earth and our Sun," said John Grunsfeld, associate administrator of NASA’s Science Mission Directorate at the agency’s headquarters in Washington. “This exciting result brings us one step closer to finding an Earth 2.0."


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Drone is a way of living
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 24 2015 19:14 GMT
#1272
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 28 2015 13:12 GMT
#1273
Unbelievable.

WASHINGTON – The U.S. Air Force contends United Launch Alliance needs as many as 22 RD-180 rocket engines to compete against SpaceX for dozens of national security launches that start going out for bid later this year, according to a U.S. senator.

ULA has ordered 29 RD-180 engines from Russia for its Atlas 5 rocket. Fifteen of those engines are for Air Force launches already under contract. The remaining 14 are what ULA has said it needs to import in order to compete for military launches until its next generation rocket, known as Vulcan and powered by a U.S.-made engine, is ready around 2020.

The Air Force plans to begin soliciting bids later this year for an initial batch of nine missions, all of which Air Force officials say Atlas 5 is suited to launch. A further 28 missions will be put out for bid starting in 2018, with 25 of those suited to the Atlas 5.

Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James told the Senate Armed Services strategic forces subcommittee in April that ULA needs to be allowed to buy 18 RD-180 engines for missions not already under contract in order to ensure the government receives competing bids when it buys launch services over the next several years.

But the Air Force now appears to be revising that estimate upward, complicating its quest for relief from a 2015 law barring the RD-180’s use for future military launches.


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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
July 28 2015 14:00 GMT
#1274
Ordered from Russia? What happened to the sanctions?
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Oshuy
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands529 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-28 15:14:48
July 28 2015 15:13 GMT
#1275
On July 28 2015 23:00 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Ordered from Russia? What happened to the sanctions?


The subject is probably already available/buried in the thread. Noise starts when prime minister Rogozin threatens to ban US from importing RD-180 rockets following sanctions against Russia after Crimea annexion. This in turn triggers the funding and launch of a replacement program for those rockets.

The important point is that, so far, the sanctions are not a ban against Russia, it's a ban against individual people and companies (Executive Orders 13660/13661) and against specific economy sectors (Executive Order 13662). A deal is only blocked if is benefits someone or a sector on the list.

NPO Energomash, the manufacturer, is mostly state owned (86%). Question is:
- does a deal with a state owned company benefit the Prime Minister ?
- are rocket motors considered "Defense and related material"

2014 link to universe today

Last year (april), Space X tries to block imports stating it violates Executive Order 13661, based on the fact that Rogozin is on a blacklist and buying from Energomash benefits Rogozin. Imports blocked by injunction in April, rescinded in May following "clarifications"

Communication from US department on the subject

Roughly: Yes Rogozin is blacklisted, but the link to Energomash is not apparent enough and Energomash has not been blacklisted on its own.

Haven't seen a protest linked to Executive Order 13662 so far, but for 2015 a specific section of the US National Defense Authorization Act allows for a few RD-180 engines.
Coooot
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 29 2015 12:14 GMT
#1276


WASHINGTON – The U.S. Air Force may need to guarantee SpaceX and United Launch Alliance a set number of national security launches if the service hopes to have to two financially viable families of rockets available in the future, according to a report completed in April.

The report, formally known as Broad Area Review 15 and led by retired Gen. Larry Welch, a former Air Force chief of staff, raises anew a persistent question about the U.S. national security launch market: Is there enough business for two companies?

The report was commissioned by Air Force Secretary Deborah Lee James in January following delays to the Air Force’s certification process for SpaceX’s Falcon 9 rocket. The process, which had been expected to be completed by the end of December, dragged on until June, when Falcon 9 was cleared to carry military payloads.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 29 2015 22:28 GMT
#1277
The dramatic failure of a test flight by Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo rocket last October cost the co-pilot his life and left the pilot severely injured. New data from investigators suggest that the pilot survived in part because the craft essentially came apart around him.

Pilot Peter Siebold told the National Transportation Safety Board that when the flight went wrong, he heard a loud bang, and then what sounded like "paper fluttering in the wind" — believed to be the sound of the spaceship's cabin disintegrating.

The next thing he can recall, Siebold told federal investigators, was finding himself in a free fall, miles above Earth's surface. He was in a roughly stable position — not tumbling. But to see the planet's horizon, he had to look up, because he was facing downward toward a vast desert landscape.

SpaceShipTwo broke apart soon after it reached supersonic speeds and an altitude of around 50,000 feet, the result of a series of events that officials blame on human error. Its debris was scattered over a 5-mile area near California's Koehn Dry Lake, in a setback to Virgin Galactic's plans for space tourism.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 11 2015 22:27 GMT
#1278


SpaceX recently powered up its Crew Dragon avionics test bed at its facility in Hawthorne, California, by simulating a crew flight to the International Space Station. During the avionics functionality check, engineers were able to make sure the spacecraft’s hardware and software worked well together in a flight-like environment. The avionics are known as the brains of a spacecraft, controlling all the critical automated operations of a flight.

“It may not sound exciting, but it’s a really, really important tool. We can basically fly the Crew Dragon on the ground — flip the switches, touch the screens, test the algorithms and the batteries – all before testing the avionics system in flight,” said Hans Koenigsmann, vice president of mission assurance for SpaceX. “It’s important to get the avionics right before putting it into the capsule.”

The SpaceX avionics test bed is similar to the Shuttle Avionics Integration Lab, or SAIL, in Houston, which was used throughout NASA’s Space Shuttle Program to test the interaction of hardware and software before modifying code on the vehicles for flight.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 19 2015 16:06 GMT
#1279
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Krikkitone
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1451 Posts
August 20 2015 01:36 GMT
#1280
On August 20 2015 01:06 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/pbdes/status/633956587925819392


Not surprising, i have a relative that works at SpaceX, they don't have anything to help them retain people (no extra benefits/pay for staying past 5 years or so)... the idea is you work there for ~5 years, and then get a real job.
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