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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9058 Posts
August 07 2021 22:25 GMT
#3821
An escape system, as Musk pointed out, doesn't do anything once you make it into space/orbit. So might as well cut weight and excess potential accidents. Makes sense when you think about it.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 08 2021 00:34 GMT
#3822
Huh... how did this slip under the radar.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 09 2021 18:31 GMT
#3823
Imagine if it had actually launched...

Boeing said Monday that the problem that scrubbed the launch of its Starliner spacecraft last week was caused when 13 valves in its propulsion system failed to properly open during a preflight test, a more widespread issue than was previously known.

Over the weekend, engineers were able to open seven of those valves and restore them to working order, the company said, and it is still hopeful that it could launch the test flight by the end of the month. But Boeing still does not know what caused the problem, which forced yet another delay in a program that has been plagued by serious issues for years.

Boeing is developing Starliner under a contract with NASA to fly the space agency’s astronauts to and from the International Space Station. Elon Musk’s SpaceX, the other company that holds the “commercial crew” contract, has now flown three human spaceflight missions to the space station, but Boeing has struggled with its program and has lagged far behind.

Before it flies a test mission with astronauts, Boeing must first launch an uncrewed mission that would demonstrate that the autonomous spacecraft is able to meet up with the station in orbit, dock, survive the vacuum of space, and then fly back to Earth safely. Once those milestones are achieved, NASA would then green light a flight with astronauts on board.

Boeing’s first attempt at the uncrewed mission, in December 2019, went horribly awry because of a software malfunction that prevented the spacecraft from docking with the station. That touched off an investigation by NASA, which said it needed to more rigorously oversee Boeing’s work.

But after being forced to stand down for a year-and-a-half, Boeing had said it had fixed those problems and was finally ready to fly.

Boeing had been planning to redo the mission on July 30. But the launch was delayed after a Russian module docked with the station but then inadvertently fired its thrusters, sending the station into a harrowing spin.

The Starliner launch was rescheduled to Aug. 3, but Boeing and NASA announced that it would be delayed after it discovered “unexpected valve position indications in the propulsion system.” At the time, Boeing said that the problem was detected after electrical storms passed over Cape Canaveral the day before the launch, leaving open the possibility that a lightning strike could have been the cause of the problem.

Officials at NASA, however, were skeptical that lightning had any effect, and Boeing backed away from the claim, saying in a statement on Aug. 4 that the storm “appears to be an unlikely cause.” But it said it “will look closely for water or electrical damage,” during vehicle inspections.

The spacecraft is still mounted on the top of the Atlas V rocket, which is operated by the United Launch Alliance, a joint venture between Boeing and Lockheed Martin. Tory Bruno, ULA’s CEO, has said repeatedly that the problem is with the spacecraft, not the rocket.

In a tweet last week, Boeing thanked a number of its partners, including Aerojet Rocketdyne “for supplying and supporting the propulsion system being evaluated.” Aerojet Rocketdyne, which is being acquired by Lockheed Martin, declined to comment on the tweet or what role, if any, it has had in the problem.

To investigate the issue, the rocket with the capsule on top was rolled off the launchpad into a structure nearby, known as the Vertical Integration Facility, where engineers have been investigating why the valves did not open and how best to get them working again.

On Friday, John Vollmer, Boeing’s vice president and Starliner program manager, expressed confidence that his engineers would be able to fix the problem. “Cautiously optimistic is a good way to describe how the team is feeling,” he said in a statement.

Over the weekend, the team made “positive progress,” a spokesperson said Monday, allowing the company to continue to plan for a launch this month.

The company has found “no signs of damage or external corrosion,” Boeing said in a statement Monday. “Test teams are now applying mechanical, electrical and thermal techniques to prompt the valves open.” As a result, more than half of the valves “are now operating as designed,” it said, and work would continue on the others “in the days ahead.”

But Boeing still does not know what caused the valves to remain closed when they needed to be in the open position, and it is unclear how long determining that would take. As a result, some in the aerospace industry are skeptical the company could launch this month.

If Starliner does not launch in the coming weeks, it could be delayed months because of traffic at the space station, including a SpaceX cargo launch that would occupy the docking port Boeing would use for Starliner.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 10 2021 02:38 GMT
#3824
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 10 2021 14:34 GMT
#3825
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9058 Posts
August 10 2021 17:56 GMT
#3826
Please let SpaceX do it!!!!!!!!!!!!

The delays that NASA contractors run into are freaking a crying shame. They really need to just fire contractors and force them to pay 50% of the money back for overran projects. They are getting fleeced by congress and contractors. The blue blood contractors really need to die out.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9058 Posts
August 11 2021 15:29 GMT
#3827
Part 3 is up

{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 11 2021 20:49 GMT
#3828
This is coming from a Northrop Grumman staffer, a company which works with Blue Origin on its' "National Team".

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 12 2021 13:45 GMT
#3829
There really should not be any more Blue Origin fans after this. Also today is the shareholder vote for VACQ to become RKLB.

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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9058 Posts
August 12 2021 16:16 GMT
#3830
On August 12 2021 22:45 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
There really should not be any more Blue Origin fans after this. Also today is the shareholder vote for VACQ to become RKLB.

https://twitter.com/wapodavenport/status/1425592931461832715

I don't think there were that many to begin with.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 12 2021 23:34 GMT
#3831
Looks like Starliner won't be launching this month, maybe not even this year.

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-08-13 21:42:27
August 13 2021 21:39 GMT
#3832
Blue Origin has released a new Info graph.



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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 16 2021 17:23 GMT
#3833
Blue Origin is now the category of Patent Troll. This pretty much confirms this is being directed by Bezos himself, and Bob Smith while being a disastrous hire, it takes a CEO decision to pay millions is lawyer, and legal fees.

Jeff Bezos’ space company Blue Origin filed a complaint in federal court against NASA, continuing its protest that the agency wrongly awarded a lucrative contract to Elon Musk’s SpaceX earlier this year.

“This bid protest challenges NASA’s unlawful and improper evaluation of proposals,” Blue Origin’s lawyers wrote in its court filing.

The protest, filed in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims on Monday, is sealed and marks the next step in the company’s attempt to get NASA’s decision overturned. A Blue Origin spokesperson confirmed the lawsuit filing, adding in a statement to CNBC that it is looking “to remedy the flaws in the acquisition process found in NASA’s Human Landing System.”

“We firmly believe that the issues identified in this procurement and its outcomes must be addressed to restore fairness, create competition, and ensure a safe return to the Moon for America,” Blue Origin said.

Blue Origin’s filing in court comes a couple of weeks after the U.S. Government Accountability Office denied the company’s protest, upholding NASA’s decision.

The GAO ruling backed the space agency’s surprise announcement in April that NASA awarded SpaceX with a lunar lander contract worth about $2.9 billion. SpaceX was competing with Blue Origin and Dynetics for what was expected to be two contracts, before NASA only awarded a single contract due to a lower-than-expected allocation for the program from Congress.

Blue Origin has not let up on its fight to win a contract under NASA’s HLS program, one of the final key pieces of the agency’s plan to return U.S. astronauts to the surface of the moon. Before the April contract award, NASA had handed out nearly $1 billion in concept development contracts – with SpaceX receiving $135 million, Dynetics $253 million, and Blue Origin receiving $579 million.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 17 2021 00:02 GMT
#3834
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9058 Posts
August 17 2021 01:17 GMT
#3835
On August 17 2021 02:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Blue Origin is now the category of Patent Troll. This pretty much confirms this is being directed by Bezos himself, and Bob Smith while being a disastrous hire, it takes a CEO decision to pay millions is lawyer, and legal fees.

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Jeff Bezos’ space company Blue Origin filed a complaint in federal court against NASA, continuing its protest that the agency wrongly awarded a lucrative contract to Elon Musk’s SpaceX earlier this year.

“This bid protest challenges NASA’s unlawful and improper evaluation of proposals,” Blue Origin’s lawyers wrote in its court filing.

The protest, filed in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims on Monday, is sealed and marks the next step in the company’s attempt to get NASA’s decision overturned. A Blue Origin spokesperson confirmed the lawsuit filing, adding in a statement to CNBC that it is looking “to remedy the flaws in the acquisition process found in NASA’s Human Landing System.”

“We firmly believe that the issues identified in this procurement and its outcomes must be addressed to restore fairness, create competition, and ensure a safe return to the Moon for America,” Blue Origin said.

Blue Origin’s filing in court comes a couple of weeks after the U.S. Government Accountability Office denied the company’s protest, upholding NASA’s decision.

The GAO ruling backed the space agency’s surprise announcement in April that NASA awarded SpaceX with a lunar lander contract worth about $2.9 billion. SpaceX was competing with Blue Origin and Dynetics for what was expected to be two contracts, before NASA only awarded a single contract due to a lower-than-expected allocation for the program from Congress.

Blue Origin has not let up on its fight to win a contract under NASA’s HLS program, one of the final key pieces of the agency’s plan to return U.S. astronauts to the surface of the moon. Before the April contract award, NASA had handed out nearly $1 billion in concept development contracts – with SpaceX receiving $135 million, Dynetics $253 million, and Blue Origin receiving $579 million.


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BO has no chance of getting NASA to reverse their decision. And any court that even hears this is bought and paid for. Bezos needs to lick his wounds and move on. More likely to happen is NASA black listing them RFQs in the future (not sure if possible but should be). And this should definitely be a wake up call to the other players in space vying for NASA contracts.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 17 2021 21:39 GMT
#3836
The HLS Lead engineer has left Blue Origin to join SpaceX:

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6833042690003886080/

Firefly has also hired a HLS Engineer as COO that departed Blue Origin as well. Before joining BO she worked on several SpaceX projects.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9058 Posts
August 17 2021 21:56 GMT
#3837
On August 18 2021 06:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
The HLS Lead engineer has left Blue Origin to join SpaceX:

https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:6833042690003886080/

Firefly has also hired a HLS Engineer as COO that departed Blue Origin as well. Before joining BO she worked on several SpaceX projects.

https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1427734485957742596

Definitely expect a lot more to be leaving should this continue to escalate. I hope the court ruling is swift.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 18 2021 15:02 GMT
#3838


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 18 2021 17:28 GMT
#3839
New Shepard’s next mission will fly a NASA lunar landing technology demonstration a second time on the exterior of the booster, 18 commercial payloads inside the crew capsule, 11 of which are NASA-supported, and an art installation on the exterior of the capsule. Liftoff is currently targeted for Wednesday, August 25, at 8:35 am CDT / 13:35 UTC from Launch Site One in West Texas. Live launch coverage begins at T-30 minutes on BlueOrigin.com.

This will be the 17th New Shepard mission to date, the 4th flight for the program in 2021, and the 8th flight for this particular vehicle, which is dedicated to flying scientific and research payloads to space and back.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 19 2021 20:50 GMT
#3840
Fuck this man. Fuck this man all the way.



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