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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2016 19:55 GMT
#2061


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2016 20:01 GMT
#2062




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 27 2016 20:07 GMT
#2063
man who let this guy have a mic
"are you going to have sanitation on mars" -_-
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2016 20:10 GMT
#2064




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2016 20:13 GMT
#2065
Elon has some rabid fans...




"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2016 20:24 GMT
#2066
Russian woman who tried to setup Elon failed hard.



"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 27 2016 20:28 GMT
#2067
Stop with the non-spoilered twitter and image links.
Freeeeeeedom
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2016 20:35 GMT
#2068
And Elon presentation and Q&A over.

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 27 2016 21:18 GMT
#2069


GUADALAJARA, Mexico – SpaceX isn’t the only billionaire-backed company that’s planning to go to Mars: Blue Origin, the space venture created by Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, is also taking aim at Mars, the moon and other deep-space destinations.

Those missions are implied in Bezos’ long-term vision of having millions of people living and working in space, Blue Origin President Rob Meyerson said today at the International Astronautical Congress in Guadalajara.

One small step toward that goal is due to come next week, when Blue Origin puts its suborbital New Shepard spaceship through its most challenging flight test yet at the company’s launch site in West Texas.

The Mars angle came up when an audience member asked Meyerson about a much larger rocket, the New Armstrong, which is only now on the drawing boards at Blue Origin’s headquarters south of Seattle.

New Shepard is named after the late astronaut Alan Shepard, who took NASA’s first suborbital space trip in 1961. New Armstrong takes its name from the late Neil Armstrong, who took humanity’s first walk on the moon’s surface eight years later.

When the questioner asked about the significance of the name, and whether Blue Origin had any plans to go to Mars, Meyerson answered in the context of Bezos’ vision.

“When we have millions of people living and working in space, we want them to be able to go to lots of destinations,” he said. “Mars would be one of them. The moon would be another. New Armstrong is really designed for that long-term vision.”

Meyerson added that “this is a vision that will take decades to achieve.”


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23482 Posts
September 27 2016 23:56 GMT
#2070
I didn't get a chance to see the whole presentation but did he mention property rights on Mars or anything about the politics of colonizing a planet (not looking to start a discussion on it but merely whether it was referenced)?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
September 28 2016 00:38 GMT
#2071
Not a whisper. He did seem to imply that there would be prompt efforts to terraform mars though.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 28 2016 09:54 GMT
#2072
Whole presentation:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 28 2016 15:21 GMT
#2073
On September 28 2016 18:54 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Whole presentation:

https://youtu.be/H7Uyfqi_TE8

Any transcripts you could find for this talk?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 29 2016 01:49 GMT
#2074
Can't find one, at least not yet.








GUADALAJARA, Mexico — Even as he rolled out an ambitious program of heavy-lift rockets and spacecraft to send people to Mars, SpaceX Chief Executive Elon Musk said Sept. 27 his top near-term priority is to complete a “vexing and difficult” investigation into the Falcon 9 pad explosion early this month.

Speaking at a press conference after his address during the International Astronautical Congress here where he announced plans to start sending people to Mars as soon as 2024, Musk said the most likely reasons for the Sept. 1 explosion that destroyed a Falcon 9 and its satellite payload have been ruled out.

“We’ve eliminated all of the obvious possibilities” for the anomaly, he said. “So what remains are less probable.” Musk didn’t discuss what those less probable options might include.

SpaceX’s last update into the explosion, released Sept. 23, said the explosion was most likely triggered by a “large breach” in the helium system that pressurizes the liquid oxygen tank in the rocket’s second stage. What caused that breach, though, remains under investigation.

Musk was clearly puzzled by the accident. “It’s the most vexing and difficult thing,” he said of the failure.

He emphasized that finding the cause of the explosion and returning the Falcon to flight was the company’s top priority. “It would be incorrect to say that it is anything other than our absolute top priority to establish what went wrong there,” he said of the failure investigation.

Musk, in his earlier speech at the conference, praised teams that worked seven days a week to complete a large composite propellant tank and perform the first test firing of a Raptor engine, two key technical components of the giant booster and spacecraft that would send people to Mars. However, he emphasized that effort is using less than five percent of the company’s resources.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9137 Posts
September 29 2016 22:26 GMT
#2075
Rosetta has completed its final manoeuvre and is now on a collision course with Comet 67P/C-G.

A small thruster burn starting 20:48:11 UTC and lasting 208 seconds has set the craft on course towards its final destination.

The spacecraft's navigation cameras will soon take a set of five images to confirm that the spacecraft is on target, and to refine the predicted impact time.

These are expected to be downlinked by 0300 UT / 0500 CEST and we therefore expect that the next report, with the updated time and at least one of those NAVCAM images, will be around 0400 UT / 0600 CEST.


http://blogs.esa.int/rosetta/2016/09/29/collision-manoeuvre-complete/

Stream with the crash landing coverage will start in about 10 hrs here: http://rosetta.esa.int/
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 30 2016 01:07 GMT
#2076
Zubrin comments on SpaceX plans for Mars.

In his talk today, SpaceX CEO Elon Musk presented a number of very interesting and useful ideas. I don't think they are practical in the form he presented them, but with a little modification, they could be made practical and very powerful. He's right on the mark about using methane/oxygen propellant, which can be made on Mars and about making the spacecraft reusable and refillable on orbit.

The key thing I would change is his plan to send the whole trans-Mars propulsion system all the way to Mars and back. Doing that means it can only be used once every four years. Instead he should stage off of it just short of Earth escape. Then it would loop around back to aero-brake into Earth orbit in a week, while the payload habitat craft with just a very small propulsion system for landing would fly on to the Red Planet.

Used this way, the big Earth escape propulsion system could be used five times every launch window, instead of once every other launch window, effectively increasing its delivery capacity by a factor of ten. Alternatively, it could deliver the same payload with a system one-tenth the size, which is what I would do.

So instead of needing a 500 ton launch capability, he could send the same number of people to Mars every opportunity with a 50 ton launcher, which is what Falcon Heavy will be able to do. Done in this manner, such a transportation system could be implemented much sooner, possibly before the next decade is out, making settlement of Mars a real possibility for our time.


Source

BEAM, the new expandable module attached to the International Space Station, was opened up today for tests and equipment checks. The Expedition 49 crew also explored eating right in space, adapting to new technology and studied a variety of other life science and physics research.

Flight Engineer Kate Rubins opened up and entered the Bigelow Expandable Activity Module this afternoon. She temporarily installed gear inside BEAM for a test to measure the loads and vibrations the module experiences. Rubins started her day with a performance test on a mobile tablet device then videotaped her observations of the living conditions aboard the space station.


Source


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9137 Posts
September 30 2016 11:34 GMT
#2077




Goodbye, little fella
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9005 Posts
September 30 2016 23:53 GMT
#2078
I watched the majority of the Elon Musk presentation. Very ambitious plan. I think showing the rockets fire and the video really helped him scare up some much needed capital going forward. I wonder what the plans are for habitation. Do they have licensed architects working on it? Or some people who are really good at CG? I want to give designing a space habitable ecosystem. ^_^
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
October 01 2016 19:14 GMT
#2079


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
October 03 2016 06:50 GMT
#2080
On September 28 2016 04:09 Sn0_Man wrote:
"We have to improve the cost of a ticket to Mars by 5 million percent"

nice quote haha

I finally found a transcript of this speech. I generally know what to expect from the guy since I've heard a fair bit over the years, but people hyped this speech up so I thought it worth taking a look. Same deal as always: lots of dreamy bluster, very general information about the project, goals that pretty much everyone can agree would help but that are far from trivial to make viable (Reusability? Space-based refueling? Great. How?), and a tactical avoidance of concreteness on practical considerations (infrastructure, technologies that don't exist, concrete funding schema, logistics, human testing in simulated physical environments, and so on). Every time, it keeps coming back to his statement he makes in literally all his ventures: there are hidden "economies of scale" that are just WAITING to break open and all that has to happen is you have to give enough money until it finally happens, which is well-represented by the above "5 million percent" quote.

Am I being uncharitable? Yes. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, and too many government officials have been fooled by unsubstantiated hype in the past for me not to suspect that that could easily happen again if you hand a hype artist a giant stack of government money. So I need more than just the generics here.
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