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On December 07 2010 21:59 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 21:58 tnud wrote:On December 07 2010 21:56 Sufficiency wrote: How come this thread has been derailed into talking about freedom in America now?
The OP mentioned UK, Sweden... No US although. Cause it's (mainly) america who is after him? oO Speculations.
Please. Half of the US calls for Assange's arrest or head on a platter, and by total coincidence at the same time a Swedish rape case turns up, hosting websites across the globe start dropping Wikileaks, banks and credit companies terminate Assange's accounts, Australia distance themselves from their own citizen, countries that offered asylum withdraw it.
Yeah, I'm sure the US government applied no pressure at all to get any of these.
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this is so crazy,scary and depressing.
such open abuse of power sickens me. cant believe this is really happening(plus all the stuff over the last few days/weeks). sounds like one of those movies where guy X finds out Y and the evil cold system does evrything to kill him.
Members of the United States Congress reacted with fury at WikiLeaks on Sunday, calling on the group to be designated a "Foreign Terrorist Organisation" and urging the United States government to pursue a prosecution.
lol. so spouting lies and shitting on people and their rights is cool . but telling people the truth is a terrorist act. what a world...
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On December 07 2010 22:16 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 21:59 Sufficiency wrote:On December 07 2010 21:58 tnud wrote:On December 07 2010 21:56 Sufficiency wrote: How come this thread has been derailed into talking about freedom in America now?
The OP mentioned UK, Sweden... No US although. Cause it's (mainly) america who is after him? oO Speculations. Please. Half of the US calls for Assange's arrest or head on a platter, and by total coincidence at the same time a Swedish rape case turns up, hosting websites across the globe start dropping Wikileaks, banks and credit companies terminate Assange's accounts, Australia distance themselves from their own citizen, countries that offered asylum withdraw it. Yeah, I'm sure the US government applied no pressure at all to get any of these.
Its true. Almost all international companies have dropped support for Wikileaks.
Paypal banned their account so they cannot get donations. The bank seized Assange's account for no reason.
The US did nothing i'm sure.
Wikileaks is being helped by the Pirate Party in Sweden at the moment.
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On December 07 2010 22:16 decemberTV wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 22:11 Kishkumen wrote:Quickly everyone! We must make as many unfounded assumptions as possible! Never mind that our current conspiracy theory consists of a collaboration between the liberal Obama administration and Sweden. We must wildly assume as much as possible in the name of freedom and transparency. + Show Spoiler +Obligatory internet sarcasm notification. The prosecutors in Sweden know damn well that they cannot get a European Arrest Warrant for something thats only a crime in Sweden and not in the UK. Still they are trying to do it for what ? 500 euros fine ? Seriously ? Don't you think that the swedish prosecutors are a little overzealous over something so small ? I know very little about Swedish law, since it's not exactly a necessary topic for me to live my life. I don't think we have all the facts in this case, so I think it's wrong to just jump to the assumption that he's innocent. And if he is innocent, I'm pretty confident that he'll go free and whoever is trying to smear him will just look stupid and incompetent. It will be ridiculously hard to send Assange to jail on anything short of a very solid conviction because the entire world will be watching how this plays out. There is no way he'll become a political prisoner in Sweden of all countries.
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No surprise, the US doesn't recognize the sovereignity of any country, just as the cables show. What is sickening to me is that you have Dutch politicians who nearly swear allegiance to the US, promising they will further the US' interests. Curiously, they're the exact same people most likely to accuse others of not being patriotic.
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It's just so, so transparent. Reminds me of this quote from Mr Sammler's Planet, one of my favourite books:
"The thing evidently, as Mr. Sammler was beginning to grasp, consisted in obtaining the privileges, and the free ways of barbarism, under the protection of civilised order, property rights. and refined technological organisation."
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On December 07 2010 22:25 Kishkumen wrote:I think it's wrong to just jump to the assumption that he's innocent. And if he is innocent, I'm pretty confident that he'll go free and whoever is trying to smear him will just look stupid and incompetent. It will be ridiculously hard to send Assange to jail on anything short of a very solid conviction
If one takes the time to educate oneself on the case, it becomes very hard not to assume he is innocent: http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/
It isn't just about smearing him, he can end up spending years in jail while trying to defend himself. Hopefully someone Swedish can give details, but if Sweden is anything like Norway you can easily spend more than a year in jail waiting for your trial if the police wants it.
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Anybody remember the seaQuest DSV episode Photon Bullet?
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On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote: I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released. I don't see how diplomats from the US and other countries feelings towards other countries is wrong or shows corruption. Why wouldn't the leaders of various countries talk to each other about how they feel and what they think about other countries.
Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense. Oh I thought the cables was an excellent leak. Especially interesting how it turns out swedish officials have been aiding the U.S. in spying on our citizens as part of the war against imaginary enemies, and in fact the swedes were the ones insisting on keeping it secret to general public. I mean the 99% majority of swedes would never condone some of the bullshit that apparently is happening. It's about time politicians, diplomats and any executive officers realise they can't do whatever the fuck they please.
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This is like Al Capone's getting caught for tax evasion if you take all the smart things and make them stupid
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On December 07 2010 22:41 Tianx wrote: This is like Al Capone's getting caught for tax evasion if you take all the smart things and make them stupid It is nothing like that at all. Al Capone was a criminal, and committed the crime of tax evasion.
Julian Assange is a journalist, has committed no crime and is no criminal.
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On December 07 2010 22:43 Eventh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 22:41 Tianx wrote: This is like Al Capone's getting caught for tax evasion if you take all the smart things and make them stupid It is nothing like that at all. Al Capone was a criminal, and committed the crime of tax evasion. Julian Assange is a journalist, has committed no crime and is no criminal. That was the point.
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oh man, if 4chan gets involved.. god bless America.
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On December 07 2010 22:47 Tianx wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 22:43 Eventh wrote:On December 07 2010 22:41 Tianx wrote: This is like Al Capone's getting caught for tax evasion if you take all the smart things and make them stupid It is nothing like that at all. Al Capone was a criminal, and committed the crime of tax evasion. Julian Assange is a journalist, has committed no crime and is no criminal. That was the point. Sorry, English isn't my first language so I did not understand the last part of your sentence
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On December 07 2010 22:47 ondik wrote:oh man, if 4chan gets involved.. god bless America.
Like they can do anything except unsuccessfully DDoS websites.
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Haha, didn't know that. From a comment on that blog: "Sex by surprise"?! Did she accidentally trip and fall on his penis?
In case someone doesn't know. The name of what he's being officially being accused of is "sex by surprise". Don't know what that is? Well neither does his swedish lawyer who studied swedish law. It's just made up to hide what they're really doing.
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Well I guess it makes sense that 4chan would get involved in a case of surprise sex.
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On December 07 2010 22:48 Eventh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 22:47 Tianx wrote:On December 07 2010 22:43 Eventh wrote:On December 07 2010 22:41 Tianx wrote: This is like Al Capone's getting caught for tax evasion if you take all the smart things and make them stupid It is nothing like that at all. Al Capone was a criminal, and committed the crime of tax evasion. Julian Assange is a journalist, has committed no crime and is no criminal. That was the point. Sorry, English isn't my first language so I did not understand the last part of your sentence 
English is my first language and I barely understood it, don't feel too bad.
Anyway, this is quite a spectacle. I hope it reaches court quickly and is resolved in transparent manner. It's been interesting to see this whole thing shed light on certain truths - not just through the leak itself but people's reactions have been very illuminating.
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