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Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 12:19:59
December 07 2010 12:15 GMT
#41
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released. I don't see how diplomats from the US and other countries feelings towards other countries is wrong or shows corruption. Why wouldn't the leaders of various countries talk to each other about how they feel and what they think about other countries.

Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.
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jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
December 07 2010 12:16 GMT
#42
Last I heard he was in the UK but British police were refusing to arrest him. I guess the correct warrant was issued.
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Kirameki
Profile Joined December 2010
96 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 12:22:03
December 07 2010 12:17 GMT
#43
Wikileaks didn't leak this. The US government did the leaking. They are just publishing it like good journalists. It's not their job to keep the US dirty laundry secret.

Blame the US government for leaking all these secrets. They should be able to keep secrets. They failed. Besides, shouldn't you rage at your government anyway? How are you going to do your democratic duty when the US government has a secret agenda?
limonovich
Profile Joined September 2010
England226 Posts
December 07 2010 12:19 GMT
#44
*God bless America, land of the free*

Hope he releases the insurance docs key soon. cos as soon as he gets to sweden, there is no going back. words cannot express the hatred i hold for the american govt and its buddies right now.
trololo
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
December 07 2010 12:19 GMT
#45
On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released.

Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.


Your government is not worried about what has already leaked but about everything that could be leaked.
decemberTV
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 12:29:24
December 07 2010 12:24 GMT
#46
On December 07 2010 21:19 decemberTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released.

Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.


Your government is not worried about what has already leaked but about everything that could be leaked.


? Your point? I am fully aware that there are things like videos of civilians being killed that have some relevance. And I am sure every government has things they would rather keep secret. I don't think my government, or the many other governments feelings about things like NK, Iran, Italy should be public information. Even if a lot of that information is pretty obvious. And if he has leaked this type of information now I can see a time where more sensitive information that has no reason to be leaked other then to make a headline is leaked. Wikileaks is as much about media whoring as it is "free speech".
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nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
December 07 2010 12:29 GMT
#47
On December 07 2010 21:24 Bosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 21:19 decemberTV wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released.

Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.


Your government is not worried about what has already leaked but about everything that could be leaked.


? Your point? I am fully aware that there are things like videos of civilians being killed that have some relevance. However, I don't think my government, or the many other governments feelings about things like NK, Iran, Italy should be public information. Even if a lot of that information is pretty obvious. And if he has leaked this type of information now I can see a time where more sensitive information that has no reason to be leaked other then to make a headline is leaked. Wikileaks is as much about media whoring as it is "free speech".


Do you feel that Government transparency is a thing that should be present, or not present in today's society? If you answer yes - then you are now seeing from Wikileaks' perspective - transparency is their vision for the world.
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
December 07 2010 12:29 GMT
#48
On December 07 2010 21:24 Bosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 21:19 decemberTV wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released.

Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.


Your government is not worried about what has already leaked but about everything that could be leaked.


? Your point? I am fully aware that there are things like videos of civilians being killed that have some relevance. However, I don't think my government, or the many other governments feelings about things like NK, Iran, Italy should be public information. Even if a lot of that information is pretty obvious.



There was no 9/11 in Europe. There were bombings, sure, but the european population never gave up its "freedom".

You may think that some things should not come out. Can you name some of those things ? What would your government be entitled to keep secret from the rest of the world ? 5.7 billion people did not vote for your administration.

Documents that would state that the Irak war was all about oil and not weapons of mass destruction from the very begining ?
decemberTV
ShadeR
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7535 Posts
December 07 2010 12:29 GMT
#49
On December 07 2010 21:24 Bosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 21:19 decemberTV wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released.

Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.


Your government is not worried about what has already leaked but about everything that could be leaked.


? Your point? I am fully aware that there are things like videos of civilians being killed that have some relevance. And I am sure every government has things they would rather keep secret. However, I don't think my government, or the many other governments feelings about things like NK, Iran, Italy should be public information. Even if a lot of that information is pretty obvious. And if he has leaked this type of information now I can see a time where more sensitive information that has no reason to be leaked other then to make a headline is leaked. Wikileaks is as much about media whoring as it is "free speech".

Perhaps theres a not so small portion of people interested in possible US war crimes? meh who knows ^^
Hasudk
Profile Joined October 2009
Denmark78 Posts
December 07 2010 12:33 GMT
#50
On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released. I don't see how diplomats from the US and other countries feelings towards other countries is wrong or shows corruption. Why wouldn't the leaders of various countries talk to each other about how they feel and what they think about other countries.

Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.


Actually the first major leak (was it the afghan war or the iraq-war, I dont remember which one was first), had alot of sensitive infomations in it, like social security number, names of agents and so on. In the latest major leak (the diplomatic cables) wikileaks took a different approach, instead of just releasing everything, they sent the info to 5 (unsure about the exact number) major newspapers and they helped them remove the worst of the unintended sensitive infomation.
So I dont think your point is totally valid - wikileaks actually admitted that the first leaks weren't handled in an optimal way, and took steps to improve the proces.
decemvre
Profile Joined May 2010
Romania639 Posts
December 07 2010 12:36 GMT
#51
Obviously personal information should be censored. People following orders should not come under fire.

But i cannot think of a single thing that a government should keep secret in a democracy. How can the people vote if they don't have all the knowledge.
decemberTV
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 12:44:51
December 07 2010 12:40 GMT
#52
On December 07 2010 21:29 decemberTV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 21:24 Bosu wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:19 decemberTV wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released.

Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.


Your government is not worried about what has already leaked but about everything that could be leaked.


? Your point? I am fully aware that there are things like videos of civilians being killed that have some relevance. However, I don't think my government, or the many other governments feelings about things like NK, Iran, Italy should be public information. Even if a lot of that information is pretty obvious.



There was no 9/11 in Europe. There were bombings, sure, but the european population never gave up its "freedom".

You may think that some things should not come out. Can you name some of those things ? What would your government be entitled to keep secret from the rest of the world ? 5.7 billion people did not vote for your administration.

Documents that would state that the Irak war was all about oil and not weapons of mass destruction from the very begining ?


Oh, because every European country has and never has had a corrupt government. Of course the United States is the only country with has sensitive information, spys, and corruption. lol. The majority of the diplomatic cables released so far have had no reason to be released. The other 5.7 billion people of the world don't have a right to know that every country in the middle east hates Iran. Or that the US feels as if Italy and Russia are a bit too close for comfort. Don't fucking tell me that every other countries politicians and military leaders speak freely about this stuff.

The US benefiting off of Iraqi oil? lol. Trillions of dollars well spent for that.

What fucking benefit has anyone gotten from Iraqi oil. Our gas costs sure as shit have not gone down. Pretty sure the war has cost trillions.

Of course you are from Australia. Clearly the land of freedom. Oh wait, it's one of the most censored countries in the western world.
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Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
December 07 2010 12:41 GMT
#53
On December 07 2010 21:33 Hasudk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released. I don't see how diplomats from the US and other countries feelings towards other countries is wrong or shows corruption. Why wouldn't the leaders of various countries talk to each other about how they feel and what they think about other countries.

Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.


Actually the first major leak (was it the afghan war or the iraq-war, I dont remember which one was first), had alot of sensitive infomations in it, like social security number, names of agents and so on. In the latest major leak (the diplomatic cables) wikileaks took a different approach, instead of just releasing everything, they sent the info to 5 (unsure about the exact number) major newspapers and they helped them remove the worst of the unintended sensitive infomation.
So I dont think your point is totally valid - wikileaks actually admitted that the first leaks weren't handled in an optimal way, and took steps to improve the proces.

they never release names of agents gets your facts straight. To this date the leaks have caused no1 to die.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 12:49:34
December 07 2010 12:46 GMT
#54
On December 07 2010 21:40 Bosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 21:29 decemberTV wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:24 Bosu wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:19 decemberTV wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released.

Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.


Your government is not worried about what has already leaked but about everything that could be leaked.


? Your point? I am fully aware that there are things like videos of civilians being killed that have some relevance. However, I don't think my government, or the many other governments feelings about things like NK, Iran, Italy should be public information. Even if a lot of that information is pretty obvious.



There was no 9/11 in Europe. There were bombings, sure, but the european population never gave up its "freedom".

You may think that some things should not come out. Can you name some of those things ? What would your government be entitled to keep secret from the rest of the world ? 5.7 billion people did not vote for your administration.

Documents that would state that the Irak war was all about oil and not weapons of mass destruction from the very begining ?


Oh, because every European country has and never has had a corrupt government. Of course the United States is the only country with has sensitive information, spys, and corruption. lol. The majority of the diplomatic cables released so far have had no reason to be released. The other 5.7 billion people of the world don't have a right to know that every country in the middle east hates Iran. Or that the US feels as if Italy and Russia are a bit too close for comfort. Don't fucking tell me that every other countries politicians and military leaders speak freely about this stuff.

The US benefiting off of Iraqi oil? lol. Trillions of dollars well spent for that.

What fucking benefit has anyone gotten from Iraqi oil. Our gas costs sure as shit have not gone down. Pretty sure the war has cost trillions.




Ask Dick Cheney how much he profits off iraqi oil. Who cares if the war costs trillions to the united states public at least the former vice president (and probably bush as well) are making bank!!! Nice not corrupt government.

The law represents no less than institutionalized raping and pillaging of Iraq's oil wealth. It represents the death knell of nationalized (from 1972 to 1975) Iraqi resources, now replaced by production sharing agreements (PSAs) - which translate into savage privatization and monster profit rates of up to 75% for (basically US) Big Oil. Sixty-five of Iraq's roughly 80 oilfields already known will be offered for Big Oil to exploit.


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/IB28Ak01.html
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
December 07 2010 12:49 GMT
#55
On December 07 2010 21:46 Nizaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 21:40 Bosu wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:29 decemberTV wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:24 Bosu wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:19 decemberTV wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released.

Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.


Your government is not worried about what has already leaked but about everything that could be leaked.


? Your point? I am fully aware that there are things like videos of civilians being killed that have some relevance. However, I don't think my government, or the many other governments feelings about things like NK, Iran, Italy should be public information. Even if a lot of that information is pretty obvious.



There was no 9/11 in Europe. There were bombings, sure, but the european population never gave up its "freedom".

You may think that some things should not come out. Can you name some of those things ? What would your government be entitled to keep secret from the rest of the world ? 5.7 billion people did not vote for your administration.

Documents that would state that the Irak war was all about oil and not weapons of mass destruction from the very begining ?


Oh, because every European country has and never has had a corrupt government. Of course the United States is the only country with has sensitive information, spys, and corruption. lol. The majority of the diplomatic cables released so far have had no reason to be released. The other 5.7 billion people of the world don't have a right to know that every country in the middle east hates Iran. Or that the US feels as if Italy and Russia are a bit too close for comfort. Don't fucking tell me that every other countries politicians and military leaders speak freely about this stuff.

The US benefiting off of Iraqi oil? lol. Trillions of dollars well spent for that.

What fucking benefit has anyone gotten from Iraqi oil. Our gas costs sure as shit have not gone down. Pretty sure the war has cost trillions.




Ask Dick Cheney how much he profits off iraqi oil. Who cares if the war costs trillions to the united states public at least the former vice president (and probably bush as well) are making bank!!! Nice not corrupt government.

Show nested quote +
The law represents no less than institutionalized raping and pillaging of Iraq's oil wealth. It represents the death knell of nationalized (from 1972 to 1975) Iraqi resources, now replaced by production sharing agreements (PSAs) - which translate into savage privatization and monster profit rates of up to 75% for (basically US) Big Oil.


Whatever. It's not even relevant to what I am saying about wikileaks releasing things that shouldn't be released. Fuck bush and fuck the Iraq war. And anything leaked about people benefiting off or Iraqi oil would be a good leak.
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SlyinZ
Profile Joined August 2010
France199 Posts
December 07 2010 12:49 GMT
#56
That's what happends to defenders of the thruth...
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 12:54:45
December 07 2010 12:51 GMT
#57
On December 07 2010 21:49 Bosu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 07 2010 21:46 Nizaris wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:40 Bosu wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:29 decemberTV wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:24 Bosu wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:19 decemberTV wrote:
On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released.

Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.


Your government is not worried about what has already leaked but about everything that could be leaked.


? Your point? I am fully aware that there are things like videos of civilians being killed that have some relevance. However, I don't think my government, or the many other governments feelings about things like NK, Iran, Italy should be public information. Even if a lot of that information is pretty obvious.



There was no 9/11 in Europe. There were bombings, sure, but the european population never gave up its "freedom".

You may think that some things should not come out. Can you name some of those things ? What would your government be entitled to keep secret from the rest of the world ? 5.7 billion people did not vote for your administration.

Documents that would state that the Irak war was all about oil and not weapons of mass destruction from the very begining ?


Oh, because every European country has and never has had a corrupt government. Of course the United States is the only country with has sensitive information, spys, and corruption. lol. The majority of the diplomatic cables released so far have had no reason to be released. The other 5.7 billion people of the world don't have a right to know that every country in the middle east hates Iran. Or that the US feels as if Italy and Russia are a bit too close for comfort. Don't fucking tell me that every other countries politicians and military leaders speak freely about this stuff.

The US benefiting off of Iraqi oil? lol. Trillions of dollars well spent for that.

What fucking benefit has anyone gotten from Iraqi oil. Our gas costs sure as shit have not gone down. Pretty sure the war has cost trillions.




Ask Dick Cheney how much he profits off iraqi oil. Who cares if the war costs trillions to the united states public at least the former vice president (and probably bush as well) are making bank!!! Nice not corrupt government.

The law represents no less than institutionalized raping and pillaging of Iraq's oil wealth. It represents the death knell of nationalized (from 1972 to 1975) Iraqi resources, now replaced by production sharing agreements (PSAs) - which translate into savage privatization and monster profit rates of up to 75% for (basically US) Big Oil.


Whatever. It's not even relevant to what I am saying about wikileaks releasing things that shouldn't be released. Fuck bush and fuck the Iraq war. And anything leaked about people benefiting off or Iraqi oil would be a good leak.


The United States needs to start looking at their own politics/f'ed up country before they go tell the world how to proceed in THEIR OWN COUNTRY. As much as i hate to say it, i'm beginning to understand why so many ppl hates the US, and with good reasons.

Transparency is the only way the US will be accountable for their actions.
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
December 07 2010 12:54 GMT
#58
Anyone still believing America is a free country? The imperialistic state of USA shows it's true colors. I hope EU will finally start backing away from this corrupted state of America.
TheGlassface
Profile Joined November 2010
United States612 Posts
December 07 2010 12:55 GMT
#59
On December 07 2010 20:27 stenole wrote:
I don't think there is anything problematic about a wanted person in Sweden getting arrested in the UK. I have a lot of confidence in the Swedish and British justice systems.


Funny, you did see where the British government has been allowing the US to store cluster bombs, yes?

Just as much corruption everywhere, it's a new century boys and girls, get used to it or it's time to start thinking about something to do on your own.
The mystery of life is not a problem to solve, but a reality to experience. **Hang in there STX fans!! Kal Hwaiting!**
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-07 12:56:35
December 07 2010 12:56 GMT
#60
How come this thread has been derailed into talking about freedom in America now?

The OP mentioned UK, Sweden... No US although.
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