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Uriel_SVK
Slovakia427 Posts
On December 07 2010 20:27 stenole wrote: I don't think there is anything problematic about a wanted person in Sweden getting arrested in the UK. I have a lot of confidence in the Swedish and British justice systems. Well everything they did is legal, but hunting a man because condom broke during sex..... | ||
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TimeOut
Germany1277 Posts
On December 07 2010 20:15 Elwar wrote: International manhunt for a "crime" with a penalty of $715 if found guilty? The hell is that?! I guess that the US hasn't killed him yet because it would be a bad idea to create more martyrs. So they try to ruin his reputation (and life) first. It's just too coincidental. The women even said that it was consensual sex, but the legal situation can be twisted and reconstructed just so to make it a criminal offense. There are much more serious crimes committed everywhere every day but you don't see people getting hunted like that. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On December 07 2010 20:13 UniversalSnip wrote: http://www.thelocal.se/28504/20100821/ http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/sex-by-surprise-at-heart-of-julian-assange-criminal-probe/19741444 ^---- what. the fuck This is a serious issue, but I can't keep a straight face when I read "sex by surprise". Interesting that even his lawyer doesn't know wtf that means. This whole thing is such bullshit, trying to arrest the guy for anything they can. | ||
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Loanshark
China3094 Posts
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Gooseheaded
United States126 Posts
On December 07 2010 20:27 stenole wrote: I don't think there is anything problematic about a wanted person in Sweden getting arrested in the UK. I have a lot of confidence in the Swedish and British justice systems. That's not the main problem. The problem is that someone published some really nasty papers about the U.S. government, and that *just after* these papers were published, that someone got arrested. Oh, for sex crimes, of course. I forgot to mention that. This is too much of a coincidence. They want to get the guy in prison, or if possible, they'd love to kill him. Assange must not be silenced. Don't you guys just love how our world is controlled by like ,1% of the population, at the cost of nearly half of the entire world's population? And there's nothing we can do about it, because, well, they are the world's leaders, and there are masses (huge fucking masses) of people who follow them blindly? Even if we, as citizens, stood up against them, they'd just send the military in. Most soldiers don't even think about what they are doing. They just follow orders. Most of them, at least. And these fuckers can (and will) kill you if they are told to do so. This world is so fucked. Makes me wonder if I want to keep living in it. | ||
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Hasudk
Denmark78 Posts
This is power-politics, 1 man fighting alone will always lose that battle. Assange had to pull an Osama- like disappearing act to avoid this, his mistake was to trust the system. There is also the possibility of Assange having planned this as a matyr-act to showcase that once the shit hits the fan the judicial system is never neutral. | ||
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Finky27
Algeria45 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On December 07 2010 19:55 Nixda wrote: Hm, this is big news. So many countries want revenge for what he did, hard to imagine he'll face a completely fair and unbiased trial. Why? Juries are made up by random people and I doubt a random jury of Swedes would feel and overwhelming need to convict an innocent man in order to do the U.S. a favor. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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cromat
Afghanistan100 Posts
On December 07 2010 20:42 BlackJack wrote: Why? Juries are made up by random people and I doubt a random jury of Swedes would feel and overwhelming need to convict an innocent man in order to do the U.S. a favor. If the court is willing to charge him on something like this what makes you think they will pick the jurors fairly? | ||
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Tracil
Australia505 Posts
On December 07 2010 20:42 BlackJack wrote: Why? Juries are made up by random people and I doubt a random jury of Swedes would feel and overwhelming need to convict an innocent man in order to do the U.S. a favor. A random jury may well not be educated on the wikileaks case. Rape is a very emotionally charged thing and a bunch of randoms can be swayed by the most ridiculous claims. The mindset is something like 'well, he's up here in the dock- clearly he must have done SOMETHING to deserve being here' and it can be exploited. It's not like there can be decisive evidence as to what happened unless both he and she agree on details anyway. | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
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decemvre
Romania639 Posts
On December 07 2010 20:42 BlackJack wrote: Why? Juries are made up by random people and I doubt a random jury of Swedes would feel and overwhelming need to convict an innocent man in order to do the U.S. a favor. -_-; The Jury system is not used anywhere in continental Europe. Only in the UK. In Europe the judge passes sentence. Is it better ? Yes and no. Obviously 1 person is more easily corruptible than 20 however i would rather have a judge with years of experience pass judgement rather than 20 random people taken off the streets. I honestly don't think that the average person is intelligent enough in most cases. | ||
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TargetPractice
Sweden33 Posts
However, there are like 2? girls claiming to have been molested. Either Assange is an asshole, or perhapse more likely CIA have orchestrated a plot to discredit Assange. Either way, I dont see how this is the fault of the Swedish justice system  Here is a very nice summery on the case https://www.flashback.org/sp25460511 | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On December 07 2010 20:54 TargetPractice wrote: I mean what should the Swedish justice system do then? Hopefully, if the charges are false, Assange will be exonorated. However, there are like 2? girls claiming to have been molested. Either Assange is an asshole, or perhapse more likely CIA have orchestrated a plot to discredit Assange. Either way, I dont see how this is the fault of the Swedish justice system yo should read the article from aol a few posts back. His crime is apparently "sex by surprise". Your guess is as good as any1 on what that even means. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
This is a good write up of the events. TL;DR version: He used his fame to bang a couple chicks that admired him. They thought they had snagged a famous man as their boyfriend when really he just wanted to get in their pants. After they realized they were nothing but one-night stands they had buyer's remorse and felt like they had been taken advantage of. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
On December 07 2010 20:46 Tracil wrote: A random jury may well not be educated on the wikileaks case. Rape is a very emotionally charged thing and a bunch of randoms can be swayed by the most ridiculous claims. The mindset is something like 'well, he's up here in the dock- clearly he must have done SOMETHING to deserve being here' and it can be exploited. It's not like there can be decisive evidence as to what happened unless both he and she agree on details anyway. That may be true, however, what you are describing is not bias because countries want revenge. If anything, the fact that countries are out to get him is probably a benefit to his defense. But it is kind of a moot point since someone informed me that there isn't a trial by jury in Sweden. | ||
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BillClinton
232 Posts
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Boundless
Canada588 Posts
Instituting an international manhunt for something like consensual underage sex is pretty ridiculous. Sure, rape would be something different, but this is like chasing a seventeen year old around the entire country for keeping a few joints in his locker at school. I think the most interesting thing about this would be the court case, if it even gets to that stage. I highly doubt it, since the last thing he wants to do is hit the courts with the United States out for his head. If it does go there, I'm interested in whether the prosecution will bring up the WikiLeaks issue in a related context... | ||
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