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On December 07 2010 22:57 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 22:47 ondik wrote:oh man, if 4chan gets involved.. god bless America. Like they can do anything except unsuccessfully DDoS websites.
People like to overestimate 4chan and anonymous and make them into hacking superstars, capable of any feat. You'll find it in most threads that deal with 4chan's problems.
If 4chan gets involved... it will be of little to no consequence except to a number of journalists who know they can get some extra hits with a headline like '4chan attacks!'
Considering the whole episode is about government transparency, let's hope for justice from an avenue that's not opaque forum goers called anonymous. Let's hope for a fair and speedy trial and resolution, maybe even some good journalism to shed light on the whole thing if you're feeling optimistic.
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it all does sound a bit too convenient. especially that he should get arrested on questionable grounds right around the same time that US officials are howling and trying to find ways to prosecute mr. assange for the leaks.
the problem is that once the US figure out some way to charge him, they can press for extradition as long as he is held in custody anywhere else and wont have to worry too much about getting him arrested in the first place. i think that this is the real danger, because form everything i have read so far the case in sweden will probably end in a fine at best.
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Call it entrapment or whatever, I still think he could have been more careful (when he KNOWS that almost the WHOLE WORLD is onto him)
For example he should have used a sexual consent form. 
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I know there are some swedes posting on this forum... can one of them explain "suprise sex" and tell me why it's a bad thing?
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Assange's charge in the swedish courts is punishable with.... a $700 fine. Fuck these embarrased international regimes who are in damage control overdrive. If Assange doesn't make it out of custody alive I won't be surprised.
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On December 07 2010 23:34 deth wrote:
Assange's charge in the swedish courts is punishable with.... a $700 fine. Fuck these embarrased international regimes who are in damage control overdrive. If Assange doesn't make it out of custody alive I won't be surprised.
No one is going to martyr the man.
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4chan is just a bunch of useless trolls. They never do anything worthwhile.
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Yeah, releasing the locations of vital infrastructure to the US is totally information transparency. We as a people sure as hell need to know that. I don't know what I could've done without that.
Girls coming out saying they were coerced into sex is always a global plot. I'm sure that any sex coercian charges should always just be dropped because it's a CIA plot right?
Wikileaks has only posted things that shows war crimes and nothing that could be seen as an attack on the global community at all.
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On December 07 2010 23:41 Nizaris wrote:
4chan is just a bunch of useless trolls. They never do anything worthwhile.
Excuuuuse me, but Rick Ashley won Best Act Ever on MTV, which they then shit all over 
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On December 07 2010 23:44 KhrisKruel wrote:
Yeah, releasing the locations of vital infrastructure to the US is totally information transparency. We as a people sure as hell need to know that. I don't know what I could've done without that.
Girls coming out saying they were coerced into sex is always a global plot. I'm sure that any sex coercian charges should always just be dropped because it's a CIA plot right?
Wikileaks has only posted things that shows war crimes and nothing that could be seen as an attack on the global community at all.
Be less sarcastic, more constructive.
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You want to know why they arrest this guy? Because its not allowed to have sex here in the dark, cold north.
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Girls coming out saying they were coerced into sex is always a global plot. I'm sure that any sex coercian charges should always just be dropped because it's a CIA plot right?
Your post is just weird, but if you want to read more about the circumstances and background regarding the so called "rape allegations", Israel Shamir and Paul Bennett have done some research on the subject, published on CounterPunch
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On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released. I don't see how diplomats from the US and other countries feelings towards other countries is wrong or shows corruption. Why wouldn't the leaders of various countries talk to each other about how they feel and what they think about other countries.
Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense.
You need to understand that if Wikileaks began cherrypicking information and Deciding what They thought was suitable for the public to hear, they would effectively be doing exactly the same thing as the governments they seek to reveal, no?
If the entire philosophical foundation of Wikileaks was to reveal the truth, how then can they choose which truths they want to reveal? Their position would be hypocritical in the extreme, and they would become the exact same as the governments they're criticizing. They're no better if they decide what the people should and shouldn't know.
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"- His passport is already in police custody. You get his address, and the person who he lives with is here today and can vouch for him. You can give him the tagging and request that he report daily to police.
A number of people offering to also pay each of 20 000 pounds in bail for Assange as an assurance that he will not leave the country. The people are the retired lawyer Jeffrey Davis Stares, Professor Emeritus Patricia David, journalist John Pilger, the film director Ken Loach and writer Jamal McCaan.
None of these people claim to know Assange personally, but would still like to put up money."
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On December 07 2010 23:54 StorkHwaiting wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2010 21:15 Bosu wrote:
I have troubles understanding why everyone supports everything wikileaks. I think a lot of stuff they have leaked is fantastic. Videos of people being killed in Iraq, shady corporate practices. However, with the latest diplomatic cables leaks I honestly think it is going too far. There are a lot of things in the diplomatic cables that have no reason to be leaked. There is some information that should be kept private and not released. I don't see how diplomats from the US and other countries feelings towards other countries is wrong or shows corruption. Why wouldn't the leaders of various countries talk to each other about how they feel and what they think about other countries.
Of course, what he has been arrested for is total nonsense. You need to understand that if Wikileaks began cherrypicking information and Deciding what They thought was suitable for the public to hear, they would effectively be doing exactly the same thing as the governments they seek to reveal, no? If the entire philosophical foundation of Wikileaks was to reveal the truth, how then can they choose which truths they want to reveal? Their position would be hypocritical in the extreme, and they would become the exact same as the governments they're criticizing. They're no better if they decide what the people should and shouldn't know.
You may have had a point if the list wasn't posted in response to interpol calling for his arrest. It was an attack, for no other reason but revenge. Wikileaks is no better than a government trying to protect itself.
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FYI; this is basically a summary/shortened version of the Counterpunch article.
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On December 07 2010 23:50 blomsterjohn wrote:Show nested quote +Girls coming out saying they were coerced into sex is always a global plot. I'm sure that any sex coercian charges should always just be dropped because it's a CIA plot right? Your post is just weird, but if you want to read more about the circumstances and background regarding the so called "rape allegations", Israel Shamir and Paul Bennett have done some research on the subject, published on CounterPunch
Before this was researched, everyone was screaming it was a plot before any facts came out. It disgusted me that so many people would dismiss a serious allegation that would have jail time in america just because of his celebrity status.
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On December 07 2010 23:44 KhrisKruel wrote:
Yeah, releasing the locations of vital infrastructure to the US is totally information transparency. We as a people sure as hell need to know that. I don't know what I could've done without that.
Girls coming out saying they were coerced into sex is always a global plot. I'm sure that any sex coercian charges should always just be dropped because it's a CIA plot right?
Wikileaks has only posted things that shows war crimes and nothing that could be seen as an attack on the global community at all.
Where is this leak of the 'locations of vital infrastructure?
The rape charges were initially dropped by Swedish prosecutors many months ago. Only when Wikileaks began its 'megaleaks' did the prosecutor suddenly feel the need to revisit the case without any new evidence.
The woman in question even made a blog entry detailing her plan to manufacture a story against Assange.
"Attack on the global community" my ass. I've read nothing within the cables that meets that criterion.
Care to explain your facetious sarcasm?
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Before this was researched, everyone was screaming it was a plot before any facts came out. It disgusted me that so many people would dismiss a serious allegation that would have jail time in america just because of his celebrity status.
I believe the correct assessment is that a lot of people were very skeptical, and with good reasons as we now know.
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