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I am going to assume that someone asked this already, but I don't have time to look through 82 pages so sorry if this is a repeat question. The first article said Seoul and the other article I read on Yahoo said Incheon. Does anyone know if the people near the GSL or in the TL house were affected/heard it/OK etc.?
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On November 24 2010 08:27 astroorion wrote:
I am going to assume that someone asked this already, but I don't have time to look through 82 pages so sorry if this is a repeat question. The first article said Seoul and the other article I read on Yahoo said Incheon. Does anyone know if the people near the GSL or in the TL house were affected/heard it/OK etc.?
the attack was on a island north east of incheon. the people on the island(~3000 ppl if i remember correctly) evacuated to incheon. mainland is unaffected.
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On November 24 2010 08:28 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 08:27 astroorion wrote:
I am going to assume that someone asked this already, but I don't have time to look through 82 pages so sorry if this is a repeat question. The first article said Seoul and the other article I read on Yahoo said Incheon. Does anyone know if the people near the GSL or in the TL house were affected/heard it/OK etc.? the attack was on a island north east of incheon. the people on the island evacuated to incheon. mainland is unaffected.
Thank you for the clarification, you relieved any worry of mine of anyone I might have heard of getting hurt
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On November 24 2010 08:18 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 07:44 lowlypawn wrote:
Start of WW3?
User was warned for this post how is that even possible when noone will back n korea
Actually even though no other nation is allied with North Korea, Russia and China would not want anymore U.S. Military on their shore. They are pretty much are already angered (at least China is) with the situation when U.S. officials told everyone that U.S. Military will join South Korea's Military exercise at the Yellow Sea. When war between North Korea and South Korea happens U.S. will surely joins due to the fact U.S. will back up their ally which is South Korea.(This alliance is a treaty in which will come in effect if North and South Korea do go to war with each other.) If war happens between these two nations, China wouldn't want any refugees coming towards them and it would also be their responsibility to make sure this war would not cause their goals to slow down a bit. North Korea is the backyard of China so really they don't want anyone thrashing their backyard.
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On November 24 2010 08:34 Siqk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 08:18 Frits wrote:On November 24 2010 07:44 lowlypawn wrote:
Start of WW3?
User was warned for this post how is that even possible when noone will back n korea Actually even though no other nation is allied with North Korea, Russia and China would not want anymore U.S. Military on their shore. They are pretty much are already angered (at least China is) with the situation when U.S. officials told everyone that U.S. Military will join South Korea's Military exercise at the Yellow Sea. When war between North Korea and South Korea happens U.S. will surely joins due to the fact U.S. will back up their ally which is South Korea.(This alliance is a treaty in which will come in effect if North and South Korea do go to war with each other.) If war happens between these two nations, China wouldn't want any refugees coming towards them and it would also be their responsibility to make sure this war would not cause their goals to slow down a bit. North Korea is the backyard of China so really they don't want anyone thrashing their backyard.
Which brings us back to the point of how would even that start "WW3"
What, would China invade South Korea or something?
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thank you echobong for continuing to contribute useful and interesting information to this post. : ) I would go back and mention everyone else who was posting links and news but there are a lot of arguments to sort through to find them. Just wanted to let you guys know I appreciate you keeping TL updated and i'm reading/watching/listening to the links and sources you guys post. keep up the good work.
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On November 24 2010 08:39 DannyJ wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 08:34 Siqk wrote:On November 24 2010 08:18 Frits wrote:On November 24 2010 07:44 lowlypawn wrote:
Start of WW3?
User was warned for this post how is that even possible when noone will back n korea Actually even though no other nation is allied with North Korea, Russia and China would not want anymore U.S. Military on their shore. They are pretty much are already angered (at least China is) with the situation when U.S. officials told everyone that U.S. Military will join South Korea's Military exercise at the Yellow Sea. When war between North Korea and South Korea happens U.S. will surely joins due to the fact U.S. will back up their ally which is South Korea.(This alliance is a treaty in which will come in effect if North and South Korea do go to war with each other.) If war happens between these two nations, China wouldn't want any refugees coming towards them and it would also be their responsibility to make sure this war would not cause their goals to slow down a bit. North Korea is the backyard of China so really they don't want anyone thrashing their backyard. Which brings us back to the point of how would even that start "WW3" What, would China invade South Korea or something?
If anything China would back NK and the US would back SK and then it'd just snowball from there. In reality, countries would probably try to avoid being drawn into conflict.
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On November 24 2010 08:34 Siqk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 08:18 Frits wrote:On November 24 2010 07:44 lowlypawn wrote:
Start of WW3?
User was warned for this post how is that even possible when noone will back n korea Actually even though no other nation is allied with North Korea, Russia and China would not want anymore U.S. Military on their shore. They are pretty much are already angered (at least China is) with the situation when U.S. officials told everyone that U.S. Military will join South Korea's Military exercise at the Yellow Sea. When war between North Korea and South Korea happens U.S. will surely joins due to the fact U.S. will back up their ally which is South Korea.(This alliance is a treaty in which will come in effect if North and South Korea do go to war with each other.) If war happens between these two nations, China wouldn't want any refugees coming towards them and it would also be their responsibility to make sure this war would not cause their goals to slow down a bit. North Korea is the backyard of China so really they don't want anyone thrashing their backyard.
Still no one will back North Korea in terms of actually fighting a fullblown out war. China may try to intervene but they would never actually declare war on the US.
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On November 24 2010 08:44 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 08:39 DannyJ wrote:On November 24 2010 08:34 Siqk wrote:On November 24 2010 08:18 Frits wrote:On November 24 2010 07:44 lowlypawn wrote:
Start of WW3?
User was warned for this post how is that even possible when noone will back n korea Actually even though no other nation is allied with North Korea, Russia and China would not want anymore U.S. Military on their shore. They are pretty much are already angered (at least China is) with the situation when U.S. officials told everyone that U.S. Military will join South Korea's Military exercise at the Yellow Sea. When war between North Korea and South Korea happens U.S. will surely joins due to the fact U.S. will back up their ally which is South Korea.(This alliance is a treaty in which will come in effect if North and South Korea do go to war with each other.) If war happens between these two nations, China wouldn't want any refugees coming towards them and it would also be their responsibility to make sure this war would not cause their goals to slow down a bit. North Korea is the backyard of China so really they don't want anyone thrashing their backyard. Which brings us back to the point of how would even that start "WW3" What, would China invade South Korea or something? If anything China would back NK and the US would back SK and then it'd just snowball from there. In reality, countries would probably try to avoid being drawn into conflict.
China doesn't want a war with the U.S. They want to avoid any way with us VERY MUCH.
For them, it's a dumb idea to engage with us in war, when they can simply economically bleed us to death.
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Reading the Chinese equivalent of TL gives me the impression that they're pretty much split on supporting NK or SK, but the netizens seem to agree that fighting is undesirable and that status quo is best, and the debate seems to be about whether supporting NK or SK will help maintain that status quo, and one big fear is an active attempt by SK to unify the two.
In the event fighting actually occurs, though, the netizens' consensus is that they shouldn't support NK, but rather SK OR stay out of the fighting altogether.
I think.
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On November 24 2010 08:46 TALegion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 08:44 Craton wrote:On November 24 2010 08:39 DannyJ wrote:On November 24 2010 08:34 Siqk wrote:On November 24 2010 08:18 Frits wrote:On November 24 2010 07:44 lowlypawn wrote:
Start of WW3?
User was warned for this post how is that even possible when noone will back n korea Actually even though no other nation is allied with North Korea, Russia and China would not want anymore U.S. Military on their shore. They are pretty much are already angered (at least China is) with the situation when U.S. officials told everyone that U.S. Military will join South Korea's Military exercise at the Yellow Sea. When war between North Korea and South Korea happens U.S. will surely joins due to the fact U.S. will back up their ally which is South Korea.(This alliance is a treaty in which will come in effect if North and South Korea do go to war with each other.) If war happens between these two nations, China wouldn't want any refugees coming towards them and it would also be their responsibility to make sure this war would not cause their goals to slow down a bit. North Korea is the backyard of China so really they don't want anyone thrashing their backyard. Which brings us back to the point of how would even that start "WW3" What, would China invade South Korea or something? If anything China would back NK and the US would back SK and then it'd just snowball from there. In reality, countries would probably try to avoid being drawn into conflict. China doesn't want a war with the U.S. They want to avoid any way with us VERY MUCH. For them, it's a dumb idea to engage with us in war, when they can simply economically bleed us to death.
China is heavily depending on their export to the west, mostly USA - Bleeding the US to death will be bleeding themselves to death as well
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On November 24 2010 08:49 ELA wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 08:46 TALegion wrote:On November 24 2010 08:44 Craton wrote:On November 24 2010 08:39 DannyJ wrote:On November 24 2010 08:34 Siqk wrote:On November 24 2010 08:18 Frits wrote:On November 24 2010 07:44 lowlypawn wrote:
Start of WW3?
User was warned for this post how is that even possible when noone will back n korea Actually even though no other nation is allied with North Korea, Russia and China would not want anymore U.S. Military on their shore. They are pretty much are already angered (at least China is) with the situation when U.S. officials told everyone that U.S. Military will join South Korea's Military exercise at the Yellow Sea. When war between North Korea and South Korea happens U.S. will surely joins due to the fact U.S. will back up their ally which is South Korea.(This alliance is a treaty in which will come in effect if North and South Korea do go to war with each other.) If war happens between these two nations, China wouldn't want any refugees coming towards them and it would also be their responsibility to make sure this war would not cause their goals to slow down a bit. North Korea is the backyard of China so really they don't want anyone thrashing their backyard. Which brings us back to the point of how would even that start "WW3" What, would China invade South Korea or something? If anything China would back NK and the US would back SK and then it'd just snowball from there. In reality, countries would probably try to avoid being drawn into conflict. China doesn't want a war with the U.S. They want to avoid any way with us VERY MUCH. For them, it's a dumb idea to engage with us in war, when they can simply economically bleed us to death. China is heavily depending on their export to the west, mostly USA - Bleeding the US to death will be bleeding themselves to death as well
China would honestly still be economically fine without the USA. It might not be beneficial for them by any means, but it wouldn't spell the end of China if things get even more screwy for us.
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On November 23 2010 20:58 vyyye wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 20:56 Biff The Understudy wrote:On November 23 2010 20:53 Bshad wrote:On November 23 2010 20:48 Biff The Understudy wrote:
Same people saying zomgNKsoevil don't realize that their own country is doing illegal wars for equally bad reason which iirc caused a little more than 4 human life.
I hate KJI and I'm really sorry for both Koreas, but making NK "absolute evil" à-la-Bush without realizing that western democracy are in fact not behaving much better is a bit silly too. US is the citadel of democracy therefore it is always right and just. If one day they will invade your country, it is in the name of democracy! I wonder if you are kidding. I thought you were kidding with your initial statement. If you're seriously comparing NK to America you are extremely ignorant and/or misinformed.
I surely prefer America's governments than North Korea dictature.
Doing an illegal war for private interest of your administration, torturing people or keeping them in captivity in a military camp for ten years without any kind of right or law is a much worse crime than killing four people with artilery firing.
North Korea is not "absolute evil", because absolute evil doesn't mean anything. And Americans are certainly not "the good ones" theses days.
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On November 24 2010 08:49 infinitestory wrote:
Reading the Chinese equivalent of TL gives me the impression that they're pretty much split on supporting NK or SK, but the netizens seem to agree that fighting is undesirable and that status quo is best, and the debate seems to be about whether supporting NK or SK will help maintain that status quo, and one big fear is an active attempt by SK to unify the two.
In the event fighting actually occurs, though, the netizens' consensus is that they shouldn't support NK, but rather SK OR stay out of the fighting altogether.
I think.
Thank you for an update from someone who can actually let us know what China's thinking. 
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On November 24 2010 08:54 TheAngelofDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 08:49 infinitestory wrote:
Reading the Chinese equivalent of TL gives me the impression that they're pretty much split on supporting NK or SK, but the netizens seem to agree that fighting is undesirable and that status quo is best, and the debate seems to be about whether supporting NK or SK will help maintain that status quo, and one big fear is an active attempt by SK to unify the two.
In the event fighting actually occurs, though, the netizens' consensus is that they shouldn't support NK, but rather SK OR stay out of the fighting altogether.
I think. Thank you for an update from someone who can actually let us know what China's thinking.
Granted, governments think differently than average, net-dwelling citizens.
So what the chinese Team Liquid (what is this, may I ask?) says and thinks doesn't really reflect what the Chinese government will/wants to do.
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United States4053 Posts
On November 24 2010 08:57 TALegion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2010 08:54 TheAngelofDeath wrote:On November 24 2010 08:49 infinitestory wrote:
Reading the Chinese equivalent of TL gives me the impression that they're pretty much split on supporting NK or SK, but the netizens seem to agree that fighting is undesirable and that status quo is best, and the debate seems to be about whether supporting NK or SK will help maintain that status quo, and one big fear is an active attempt by SK to unify the two.
In the event fighting actually occurs, though, the netizens' consensus is that they shouldn't support NK, but rather SK OR stay out of the fighting altogether.
I think. Thank you for an update from someone who can actually let us know what China's thinking. Granted, governments think differently than average, net-dwelling citizens. So what the chinese Team Liquid (what is this, may I ask?) says and thinks doesn't really reflect what the Chinese government will/wants to do.
bbs.plu.cn
Should definitely take netizen comments with a grain of salt, but several of them have commented that the government's policy of protecting NK during the first Korean war was a strategic decision that no longer applies in the modern situation.
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North Korea is not "absolute evil", because absolute evil doesn't mean anything. And Americans are certainly not "the good ones" theses days.
No nation is good. All nations, when it comes down to it, are entirely ruthless about protecting their interests, without any regard for morals or rights.
What matters is which nation is more aligned with your values, and your interests, and you can't honestly fucking think that NK is preferable to the U.S.
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