EPTPedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure - Page 65
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bonifaceviii
Canada2890 Posts
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Aberu
United States968 Posts
On November 11 2010 07:48 Manifesto7 wrote: Since they already publish the names, photos, and addresses of convicted sex offenders, just extend that to publish the names and places of people who buy this book. Hey it's 1984! And I like it! | ||
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Mayfly
145 Posts
Yeah and also it doesn't make sense. In the first case it's the government sharing information and if the people are sovereign then you could make the argument that they have the rights to this information. In the second case the government is forcing a privately-owned company to release the names of those who purchases a certain book. | ||
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
On November 11 2010 07:55 _Darwin_ wrote: in logic this is called a shitty fallacious slippery slope argument. "ban pedophilia instruction?? what next Hemingway?!" You're doing it wrong. The fallacy you are referring to is "Non Causa Pro Causa," or "Non Cause for Cause," which is an informal fallacy. Informal fallacies are not inherently fallacious, that is, they are a type of fallacy in which the content of the argument is relevant to their fallaciousness. To be fallacious, a causal argument must violate the canons of good reasoning about causation in some common or deceptive way. In this case the argument that banning one book can be used as precedent to ban other books of objectionable content is fairly solid. In fact one can point to examples of society following these slippery slopes in the past. | ||
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:13 _Darwin_ wrote: This one certainly encourages it. Like Mein Kampf encouraged the slaughter of Jews. Mein Kampf Product Page at Amazon.com Shall we ban it? | ||
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MrShank
Canada144 Posts
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:32 ZapRoffo wrote: I don't understand why ideas that have no value beyond harming those in helpless positions (something that has been demonstrably shown and is accepted worldwide) should be protected? Clearly, you do not understand. Many people on this forum do not understand why freedom of speech should be protected. Here, let me google that for you: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why should freedom of speech be protected? | ||
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Baz
United Kingdom289 Posts
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
On November 11 2010 08:56 ggrrg wrote: Free speech is universal, but incitement is criminal. The book should be banned, the author jailed and people who bought it registered. That's the argument that China uses to throw their political dissidents in dungeons. | ||
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
On November 11 2010 09:07 VIB wrote: Why are things illegal in the first place? Why do laws even exist? To stop people who cause harm to the society from repeating it. If I say something that causes serious harm to other people, isn't it reasonable to consider doing something to prevent me from doing that again? "Free speech is a right" But what about: "Your right ends when mine begins" Doesn't the pedophiles' rights to free speech ends when the children's right to not be abused begin? Yes, which is why it is illegal to abuse children sexually. The child's right to not be abused doesn't begin when a book is published. it begins with the act. | ||
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NIJ
1012 Posts
They can talk about wanting to rape kids all day long. As long as they don't actually do it. Just as if I were to advocate legalization of heroin, I shouldn't be treated as a user just for that. I heard there was lot of examples of first person experience in that book, which I suppose is grounds for questioning by authorities. But arrest? I don't think they have the right to do that. | ||
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The Touch
United Kingdom667 Posts
On November 11 2010 07:37 VIB wrote: ![[image loading]](http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JNUPSxbJL._SL500_AA272_PIkin3,BottomRight,28,7_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/qtxuE.png) | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
Unfortunately I don't see a cat... | ||
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Cyber_Cheese
Australia3615 Posts
On December 23 2010 08:10 Warrior Madness wrote: Unfortunately I don't see a cat... the left mans holding up the cat sacrifice? maybe | ||
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datscilly
United States529 Posts
On December 23 2010 02:51 sikyon wrote: Yes. And FYI books like the anarchist cookbook have been on sale a long time which teaches people how to make bombs and weapons. You can buy books on military sniping, how to break into cars, etc. The comparison with Anarchist Cookbook is close to how I feel about this. This is one of those things that exists, and it'll continue to exist whether people find out about it or not. A few posters are too family friendly / protective, or naive, but it doesn't shock me. Amazon, as a business, will get rid of it because it's too inflammatory. | ||
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recline
United States76 Posts
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tommya
Canada52 Posts
I don't like the book To Kill a Mockingbird. I don't think it should be removed / discarded for containing things I disagree with, I simply won't read it again. Maybe I won't even let my children read it. I'm sure some people love this book though, and would defend it as well as they can. To the people suggesting that this book will "harm" children, I disagree. Young children can't read for starters, so that kind of makes them immune to books. Children who can read wouldn't want to read a full chapter book, they want to read a picture book about building a treehouse or something. By the time a child would actually want to read a full book, why do you think they would pick this book? If they didn't like it / were scared by it, maybe they could simply... stop reading. Maybe I'm just desensitized, but maybe some of you are too sensitive about the book. | ||
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FrostOtter
United States537 Posts
On December 23 2010 09:34 tommya wrote: I don't like the book To Kill a Mockingbird. I don't think it should be removed / discarded for containing things I disagree with, I simply won't read it again. Maybe I won't even let my children read it. I'm sure some people love this book though, and would defend it as well as they can. . I was going to just lurk in this thread, but this little part caught my eye. What exactly do you disagree with in TKaM? That black people shouldn't be unfairly arrested and jailed for crimes they didn't commit? I mean, it isn't my favorite book, but what exactly is objectionable in it? | ||
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Rebornlife
Canada224 Posts
And don't compare this to "How to kill a person" Or "How to build a bomb" etc. Because they are very different. For one, the general public doesn't know how to get away with something like child abuse. If you asked a large survey of people how to get away with murder, and how to get away with sexually abusing a child, my bet is people will generally know how to kill, and not rape. Killing is physical work you do yourself, and is completely dependent on YOU. While rape is something very psychological. It is not 100% dependent on you, but also the victim. You can teach someone how to kill in person, how to construct weapons, etc. But teaching someone how to abuse a child is something you most likely do over a medium (a book?). So stopping at least one small part of that medium helps. My money goes on that this author has committed crimes, and the police will try to figure them out. I think the police are more concerned with bringing down a child abuser who shares his techniques with the world to teach others than bringing down "Free speech". Unfortunately to bring him down "Free speech" comes as collateral. | ||
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