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On December 22 2010 09:48 CheekyDuck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 01:30 Mayfly wrote:On December 21 2010 23:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 21 2010 20:36 Jswizzy wrote:On December 21 2010 20:27 qwaykee wrote:
i think there is a difference between being pedophile and abusing children. when i think pedophile its a person that gets aroused by children, he doesn't have to abuse them of any sort. and its not something you could just turn off, just as being homosexual I doubt there is a pedophile gene, esp when you consider how hight the rate of child abusers who were also abused them selves is. I would think that most people who feel this way about kids were molested themselves at an impressionable age and could never quite come to terms with it leaving them sexually confused for the rest of their lives. Comparing pedophiles to homosexuals just don't hold up in my book. There's a large difference here. Child molesters (what you're describing) aren't necessarily attracted to children - they do it because it's something they experienced as children and so feel that it's necessary, they need the control, etc. etc... Similar to rapists. They don't usually rape out of sexual desire, they do it for psychological control. I don't really have time to debunk you except to say that pretty much everything you said is false. Rape is very much a "sexual desire," and child molesters are not what they are because of something that happened to them during childhood. Read less bad psychology. What bad psychology books are you reading? its 101 that its more about power and control than a sexual urge. Its ridicules to offer chemical castration to these sickies for a lighter sentence, to have the bastards reoffend anyway. yes they reoffend without there junk working! because its in the mind, the pleasure comes from being dominate not so much the actual act. It is also fact that an abused child has a potentially higher risk to offend once in adult hood. There has also been many cases of abused children, abusing other children.
I don't trust many fields of psychology since what they're doing is not science and the results mostly not sprung from a desire to find truths. And that's where the stuff about "power and control" comes from. It's a feminist theory to explain away rapists as women-haters.
If rape really was about control and "getting back at women" you'd find it hard to explain why young (and attractive) women are usually the victims and not old women, and that the rapist himself is usually young and not old. Same thing goes for social groups. One other thing to think about is that rape is common in certain situations, for instance war. Do soldiers just get more power-hungry all of a sudden?
Rape is common among animals and also among humans up until not long ago. Most people are the result of a rape that happened from anywhere right before they were born to 200 years ago or something. It's been a valid reproductive strategy evolutionary speaking. All men are (genetically) capable of rape, the difference is that it doesn't take that much for some, and for most it would take something like a war situation and some peer pressure to do it.
Successful rapists in the past have simply passed on their genes (since it was impossible to determine who the child belonged to, the husband that perhaps stayed to raise the baby couldn't kill it). Rape is a very common sexual fantasy for women because of this. Also, the chances of conception is higher in rape scenarios, as it is in extramarital sex as well.
This theory can explain most if not all questions about rape, which the power theory cannot.
About pedophilia then:
No, there is no causal relationship between being abused as a child and growing up to be an offender. If you want to make that argument you have to attempt to prove it.
And while it's true that many child sex offenders are not pedophiles (they simply choose children because it's easy), more than half are according to the studies I've read.
Also, I've never mentioned chemical castration so I don't know why you brought that up.
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On December 22 2010 10:19 Baz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 07:23 LazyMacro wrote:
The problem with people and principles is the principles go out the window the moment emotion gets involved.
I think it's quite simple: The First Amendment references the right of the people to express themselves freely.
So, the author of this book has done so. Those that disagree with the book, its contents, it being available, etc., are all doing so as well.
However, if you try to get the book banned, you're clearly missing the point. You have no idea what makes the US what it is, and you just don't fucking get it.
If you don't like the book, don't buy it. Don't read it. Don't support the author. Don't support Amazon.
The implicit point of free speech is that people have thoughts and ideas others don't like. There are things I see and hear in the media that makes me very angry. There are phrases and expressions used that make me cringe. But I don't expect everyone to bend out of respect of my sensibilities. That's bullshit. Are you kidding? Freedom of speech only goes so far. If I were to read this book, then molest a relative of yours that is a child, i believe you might have a different view on this whole matter.
He might, but that because it's now so much more likely that his view is not based upon reason but anger and a lust for revenge instead. Or to put it in another way: He values his near and dear higher than some guy's right to write a book about pedophilia. It's irrelevant.
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I don't trust many fields of psychology since what they're doing is not science and the results mostly not sprung from a desire to find truths. And that's where the stuff about "power and control" comes from. It's a feminist theory to explain away rapists as women-haters.
If rape really was about control and "getting back at women" you'd find it hard to explain why young (and attractive) women are usually the victims and not old women, and that the rapist himself is usually young and not old.
Say what? You must be off your rocker. Men are more prone to using violence when they are young. I'm sure you could find statistics for that. It's also common sense. Why would they rape an old woman? Where's the logic?
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On December 22 2010 11:37 Risperdal wrote:Show nested quote +
I don't trust many fields of psychology since what they're doing is not science and the results mostly not sprung from a desire to find truths. And that's where the stuff about "power and control" comes from. It's a feminist theory to explain away rapists as women-haters.
If rape really was about control and "getting back at women" you'd find it hard to explain why young (and attractive) women are usually the victims and not old women, and that the rapist himself is usually young and not old.
Say what? You must be off your rocker. Men are more prone to using violence when they are young. I'm sure you could find statistics for that. It's also common sense. Why would they rape an old woman? Where's the logic?
They certainly are, but the power theory doesn't explain it. Try reading my post?
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On December 22 2010 11:20 Lachrymose wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 11:12 SnK-Arcbound wrote:On December 22 2010 07:16 sikyon wrote:
Ah but you see, that's my point. I'm not supporting child mollestation or whatnot, I am trying to show that morals vary! Now a society has to be based on morals, of course (laws are based on morals) so how do we resolve this?
Well, in our society, we use a democratic system. We elect a government and they should enact laws that reflect the morals of the people who voted them into office.
What I believe is that even though most people's morals are against even writing a book such as how to mollest children, their moral belief in favor of free speech should be stronger. Which is why I find the public opinion so shocking! This is entirely incorrect. First if morals vary and don't have defined properties, there there is nothing wrong with forcing your beliefs onto someone else. Pedophilia is illegal. If morals do have defined properties, then it is our obligation to ensure that the population follows them. Pedophilia is still illegal. Pedophilia is not illegal. Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 11:12 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Writing a book about how to break the law is illegal. Writing a book about how to do illegal things is not illegal.
Lols! pwnd!
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They certainly are, but the power theory doesn't explain it. Try reading my post?
I read your post. You do not understand the power theory at all.
Edit: And even if you somehow do, you are making a lot of illogical assumptions in a weak attempt to dismantle it. Why, oh why, would OLD people be more likely to rape someone according to the power theory? Because they're bitter? ...
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On December 22 2010 11:28 Mayfly wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 09:48 CheekyDuck wrote:On December 22 2010 01:30 Mayfly wrote:On December 21 2010 23:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 21 2010 20:36 Jswizzy wrote:On December 21 2010 20:27 qwaykee wrote:
i think there is a difference between being pedophile and abusing children. when i think pedophile its a person that gets aroused by children, he doesn't have to abuse them of any sort. and its not something you could just turn off, just as being homosexual I doubt there is a pedophile gene, esp when you consider how hight the rate of child abusers who were also abused them selves is. I would think that most people who feel this way about kids were molested themselves at an impressionable age and could never quite come to terms with it leaving them sexually confused for the rest of their lives. Comparing pedophiles to homosexuals just don't hold up in my book. There's a large difference here. Child molesters (what you're describing) aren't necessarily attracted to children - they do it because it's something they experienced as children and so feel that it's necessary, they need the control, etc. etc... Similar to rapists. They don't usually rape out of sexual desire, they do it for psychological control. I don't really have time to debunk you except to say that pretty much everything you said is false. Rape is very much a "sexual desire," and child molesters are not what they are because of something that happened to them during childhood. Read less bad psychology. What bad psychology books are you reading? its 101 that its more about power and control than a sexual urge. Its ridicules to offer chemical castration to these sickies for a lighter sentence, to have the bastards reoffend anyway. yes they reoffend without there junk working! because its in the mind, the pleasure comes from being dominate not so much the actual act. It is also fact that an abused child has a potentially higher risk to offend once in adult hood. There has also been many cases of abused children, abusing other children. I don't trust many fields of psychology since what they're doing is not science and the results mostly not sprung from a desire to find truths. And that's where the stuff about "power and control" comes from. It's a feminist theory to explain away rapists as women-haters. If rape really was about control and "getting back at women" you'd find it hard to explain why young (and attractive) women are usually the victims and not old women, and that the rapist himself is usually young and not old. Same thing goes for social groups. One other thing to think about is that rape is common in certain situations, for instance war. Do soldiers just get more power-hungry all of a sudden? Rape is common among animals and also among humans up until not long ago. Most people are the result of a rape that happened from anywhere right before they were born to 200 years ago or something. It's been a valid reproductive strategy evolutionary speaking. All men are (genetically) capable of rape, the difference is that it doesn't take that much for some, and for most it would take something like a war situation and some peer pressure to do it. Successful rapists in the past have simply passed on their genes (since it was impossible to determine who the child belonged to, the husband that perhaps stayed to raise the baby couldn't kill it). Rape is a very common sexual fantasy for women because of this. Also, the chances of conception is higher in rape scenarios, as it is in extramarital sex as well. This theory can explain most if not all questions about rape, which the power theory cannot. About pedophilia then: No, there is no causal relationship between being abused as a child and growing up to be an offender. If you want to make that argument you have to attempt to prove it. And while it's true that many child sex offenders are not pedophiles (they simply choose children because it's easy), more than half are according to the studies I've read. Also, I've never mentioned chemical castration so I don't know why you brought that up.
With regards to the psychology bashing: You aren't really supporting why you don't listen to psychology. The study of psychology is inherently not "science" in the way I think you mean.
Psychology is the study of that which is, by definition, not entirely subjective. That's why all established psychological principles are considered to be general truths, but not necessarily applicable in all instances.
What I mean is that in math and science, it is what it is. One plus one always equals two; in psychology, you're taking an incredibly complex organic system and attempting to study it to learn more. (Oh what's that about not seeking truth?) The problem is that there are so many factors involved, sometimes you get odd or unexpected results.
You also get a lot of very useful information, but everyone is always sitting there waiting to bash a study if its findings are "obvious" to the average person.
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His point is just that there's an element of sexual desire in rape - it is not purely an act of control and dominance. And I happen to think he's probably right about that, and share his frustration with Psychology (and similar social science fields) for 'proving' only the hypotheses they want to be true...
However, just because rape contains an element of sexual desire does not mean the 'feminist theories' of control and dominance are completely wrong. I'd argue there is absolutely an element of power/control in rape as well. That is why, for instance, there is a much higher incidence of rape during war - because the mindset of dominating and defeating enemy soldiers translates pretty fluidly into dominating and defeating bodies of the occupied population.
My opinion: there are no rules that can explain the totality of human behavior, and anyone who tells you otherwise is an asshole.
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On December 22 2010 10:31 TechniQ.UK wrote:
uhhhhhhh
im all for free speech but...
this is totally against all that is good, moral and sane in the universe and should be burned and never published and it's author thrown in jail for corrupting society and advocating crime of the worst kind.
that was the most self-contradicting post i've ever read
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On December 22 2010 11:43 CarlyZerg wrote:
His point is just that there's an element of sexual desire in rape - it is not purely an act of control and dominance. ¨
The power theory accounts for that. Old people aren't getting raped by old people as much because 1) there's obviously less rejection. Why would you want to "get back at a woman" who you never desired in the first place?
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Are you kidding? Freedom of speech only goes so far. If I were to read this book, then molest a relative of yours that is a child, i believe you might have a different view on this whole matter.
Saying that people trying to get it banned are against freedom of speech is one of the most ludicrous things I have ever heard. If you really believe in your theory, answer me this? If I were to stalk you, find out everything about you, post it in a book and explain exactly how I could get you alone and torture you, do you think this is ok because I have freedom of speech?
Common sense tells you that some things are just obviously very very very wrong.
This is a terrible example.
Ok, so lets say you do read the book and molest a relative of mine and I don't support it. Congratulations. You just brought up another fine example of the fact that humans are incredibly irrational beings. Bringing personal emotion into an argument is a terrible point when we're trying to debate based on logic and morals.
The second one would be against the law since it's directly publishing private information about someone without their consent. Much different that a general "How to" guide.
I don't trust many fields of psychology since what they're doing is not science and the results mostly not sprung from a desire to find truths. And that's where the stuff about "power and control" comes from. It's a feminist theory to explain away rapists as women-haters.
If rape really was about control and "getting back at women" you'd find it hard to explain why young (and attractive) women are usually the victims and not old women, and that the rapist himself is usually young and not old. Same thing goes for social groups. One other thing to think about is that rape is common in certain situations, for instance war. Do soldiers just get more power-hungry all of a sudden?
Rape is common among animals and also among humans up until not long ago. Most people are the result of a rape that happened from anywhere right before they were born to 200 years ago or something. It's been a valid reproductive strategy evolutionary speaking. All men are (genetically) capable of rape, the difference is that it doesn't take that much for some, and for most it would take something like a war situation and some peer pressure to do it.
Successful rapists in the past have simply passed on their genes (since it was impossible to determine who the child belonged to, the husband that perhaps stayed to raise the baby couldn't kill it). Rape is a very common sexual fantasy for women because of this. Also, the chances of conception is higher in rape scenarios, as it is in extramarital sex as well.
This theory can explain most if not all questions about rape, which the power theory cannot.
About pedophilia then:
No, there is no causal relationship between being abused as a child and growing up to be an offender. If you want to make that argument you have to attempt to prove it.
And while it's true that many child sex offenders are not pedophiles (they simply choose children because it's easy), more than half are according to the studies I've read.
Also, I've never mentioned chemical castration so I don't know why you brought that up.
So you completely bash psychology, a respected field of study (that isn't considered a "science" in the literal term by anyone sane). Then, you not only demonstrate that you have no real understanding of psychology or the current theories on child molestation and rape, but you also make a bunch of illogical and very flawed claims with absolutely no evidence, and you want us to give you some actual credibility here?
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On December 22 2010 11:39 LazyMacro wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 11:28 Mayfly wrote:On December 22 2010 09:48 CheekyDuck wrote:On December 22 2010 01:30 Mayfly wrote:On December 21 2010 23:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 21 2010 20:36 Jswizzy wrote:On December 21 2010 20:27 qwaykee wrote:
i think there is a difference between being pedophile and abusing children. when i think pedophile its a person that gets aroused by children, he doesn't have to abuse them of any sort. and its not something you could just turn off, just as being homosexual I doubt there is a pedophile gene, esp when you consider how hight the rate of child abusers who were also abused them selves is. I would think that most people who feel this way about kids were molested themselves at an impressionable age and could never quite come to terms with it leaving them sexually confused for the rest of their lives. Comparing pedophiles to homosexuals just don't hold up in my book. There's a large difference here. Child molesters (what you're describing) aren't necessarily attracted to children - they do it because it's something they experienced as children and so feel that it's necessary, they need the control, etc. etc... Similar to rapists. They don't usually rape out of sexual desire, they do it for psychological control. I don't really have time to debunk you except to say that pretty much everything you said is false. Rape is very much a "sexual desire," and child molesters are not what they are because of something that happened to them during childhood. Read less bad psychology. What bad psychology books are you reading? its 101 that its more about power and control than a sexual urge. Its ridicules to offer chemical castration to these sickies for a lighter sentence, to have the bastards reoffend anyway. yes they reoffend without there junk working! because its in the mind, the pleasure comes from being dominate not so much the actual act. It is also fact that an abused child has a potentially higher risk to offend once in adult hood. There has also been many cases of abused children, abusing other children. I don't trust many fields of psychology since what they're doing is not science and the results mostly not sprung from a desire to find truths. And that's where the stuff about "power and control" comes from. It's a feminist theory to explain away rapists as women-haters. If rape really was about control and "getting back at women" you'd find it hard to explain why young (and attractive) women are usually the victims and not old women, and that the rapist himself is usually young and not old. Same thing goes for social groups. One other thing to think about is that rape is common in certain situations, for instance war. Do soldiers just get more power-hungry all of a sudden? Rape is common among animals and also among humans up until not long ago. Most people are the result of a rape that happened from anywhere right before they were born to 200 years ago or something. It's been a valid reproductive strategy evolutionary speaking. All men are (genetically) capable of rape, the difference is that it doesn't take that much for some, and for most it would take something like a war situation and some peer pressure to do it. Successful rapists in the past have simply passed on their genes (since it was impossible to determine who the child belonged to, the husband that perhaps stayed to raise the baby couldn't kill it). Rape is a very common sexual fantasy for women because of this. Also, the chances of conception is higher in rape scenarios, as it is in extramarital sex as well. This theory can explain most if not all questions about rape, which the power theory cannot. About pedophilia then: No, there is no causal relationship between being abused as a child and growing up to be an offender. If you want to make that argument you have to attempt to prove it. And while it's true that many child sex offenders are not pedophiles (they simply choose children because it's easy), more than half are according to the studies I've read. Also, I've never mentioned chemical castration so I don't know why you brought that up. With regards to the psychology bashing: You aren't really supporting why you don't listen to psychology. The study of psychology is inherently not "science" in the way I think you mean. Psychology is the study of that which is, by definition, not entirely subjective. That's why all established psychological principles are considered to be general truths, but not necessarily applicable in all instances. What I mean is that in math and science, it is what it is. One plus one always equals two; in psychology, you're taking an incredibly complex organic system and attempting to study it to learn more. (Oh what's that about not seeking truth?) The problem is that there are so many factors involved, sometimes you get odd or unexpected results. You also get a lot of very useful information, but everyone is always sitting there waiting to bash a study if its findings are "obvious" to the average person.
Precisely because the study of complex systems is so complex you can reach conclusions that you want to reach and back them up half-assedly and anyone with an agenda can pick them up as proof to support any change they want to make.
For instance the power theory that conspicuously pleases the feminist agenda that men hates women, blah blah.
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On December 22 2010 11:48 Risperdal wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 11:43 CarlyZerg wrote:
His point is just that there's an element of sexual desire in rape - it is not purely an act of control and dominance. ¨
The power theory accounts for that. Old people aren't getting raped by old people as much because 1) there's obviously less rejection. Why would you want to "get back at a woman" who you never desired in the first place?
Because she has power that you, the rapist, hate or you wouldn't be a rapist (according to the power theory). Older, richer women certainly has more power than younger, poorer women, but aren't being raped as often.
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On December 22 2010 11:54 Mayfly wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 11:39 LazyMacro wrote:On December 22 2010 11:28 Mayfly wrote:On December 22 2010 09:48 CheekyDuck wrote:On December 22 2010 01:30 Mayfly wrote:On December 21 2010 23:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 21 2010 20:36 Jswizzy wrote:On December 21 2010 20:27 qwaykee wrote:
i think there is a difference between being pedophile and abusing children. when i think pedophile its a person that gets aroused by children, he doesn't have to abuse them of any sort. and its not something you could just turn off, just as being homosexual I doubt there is a pedophile gene, esp when you consider how hight the rate of child abusers who were also abused them selves is. I would think that most people who feel this way about kids were molested themselves at an impressionable age and could never quite come to terms with it leaving them sexually confused for the rest of their lives. Comparing pedophiles to homosexuals just don't hold up in my book. There's a large difference here. Child molesters (what you're describing) aren't necessarily attracted to children - they do it because it's something they experienced as children and so feel that it's necessary, they need the control, etc. etc... Similar to rapists. They don't usually rape out of sexual desire, they do it for psychological control. I don't really have time to debunk you except to say that pretty much everything you said is false. Rape is very much a "sexual desire," and child molesters are not what they are because of something that happened to them during childhood. Read less bad psychology. What bad psychology books are you reading? its 101 that its more about power and control than a sexual urge. Its ridicules to offer chemical castration to these sickies for a lighter sentence, to have the bastards reoffend anyway. yes they reoffend without there junk working! because its in the mind, the pleasure comes from being dominate not so much the actual act. It is also fact that an abused child has a potentially higher risk to offend once in adult hood. There has also been many cases of abused children, abusing other children. I don't trust many fields of psychology since what they're doing is not science and the results mostly not sprung from a desire to find truths. And that's where the stuff about "power and control" comes from. It's a feminist theory to explain away rapists as women-haters. If rape really was about control and "getting back at women" you'd find it hard to explain why young (and attractive) women are usually the victims and not old women, and that the rapist himself is usually young and not old. Same thing goes for social groups. One other thing to think about is that rape is common in certain situations, for instance war. Do soldiers just get more power-hungry all of a sudden? Rape is common among animals and also among humans up until not long ago. Most people are the result of a rape that happened from anywhere right before they were born to 200 years ago or something. It's been a valid reproductive strategy evolutionary speaking. All men are (genetically) capable of rape, the difference is that it doesn't take that much for some, and for most it would take something like a war situation and some peer pressure to do it. Successful rapists in the past have simply passed on their genes (since it was impossible to determine who the child belonged to, the husband that perhaps stayed to raise the baby couldn't kill it). Rape is a very common sexual fantasy for women because of this. Also, the chances of conception is higher in rape scenarios, as it is in extramarital sex as well. This theory can explain most if not all questions about rape, which the power theory cannot. About pedophilia then: No, there is no causal relationship between being abused as a child and growing up to be an offender. If you want to make that argument you have to attempt to prove it. And while it's true that many child sex offenders are not pedophiles (they simply choose children because it's easy), more than half are according to the studies I've read. Also, I've never mentioned chemical castration so I don't know why you brought that up. With regards to the psychology bashing: You aren't really supporting why you don't listen to psychology. The study of psychology is inherently not "science" in the way I think you mean. Psychology is the study of that which is, by definition, not entirely subjective. That's why all established psychological principles are considered to be general truths, but not necessarily applicable in all instances. What I mean is that in math and science, it is what it is. One plus one always equals two; in psychology, you're taking an incredibly complex organic system and attempting to study it to learn more. (Oh what's that about not seeking truth?) The problem is that there are so many factors involved, sometimes you get odd or unexpected results. You also get a lot of very useful information, but everyone is always sitting there waiting to bash a study if its findings are "obvious" to the average person. Precisely because the study of complex systems is so complex you can reach conclusions that you want to reach and back them up half-assedly and anyone with an agenda can pick them up as proof to support any change they want to make. For instance the power theory that conspicuously pleases the feminist agenda that men hates women, blah blah.
Maybe you should read what you're writing.
Oh, and I like how you dismiss an entire academic subject based off the idea that every psychologist has gotten bad conclusions because they're biased.
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On December 22 2010 11:28 Mayfly wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 09:48 CheekyDuck wrote:On December 22 2010 01:30 Mayfly wrote:On December 21 2010 23:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 21 2010 20:36 Jswizzy wrote:On December 21 2010 20:27 qwaykee wrote:
i think there is a difference between being pedophile and abusing children. when i think pedophile its a person that gets aroused by children, he doesn't have to abuse them of any sort. and its not something you could just turn off, just as being homosexual I doubt there is a pedophile gene, esp when you consider how hight the rate of child abusers who were also abused them selves is. I would think that most people who feel this way about kids were molested themselves at an impressionable age and could never quite come to terms with it leaving them sexually confused for the rest of their lives. Comparing pedophiles to homosexuals just don't hold up in my book. There's a large difference here. Child molesters (what you're describing) aren't necessarily attracted to children - they do it because it's something they experienced as children and so feel that it's necessary, they need the control, etc. etc... Similar to rapists. They don't usually rape out of sexual desire, they do it for psychological control. I don't really have time to debunk you except to say that pretty much everything you said is false. Rape is very much a "sexual desire," and child molesters are not what they are because of something that happened to them during childhood. Read less bad psychology. What bad psychology books are you reading? its 101 that its more about power and control than a sexual urge. Its ridicules to offer chemical castration to these sickies for a lighter sentence, to have the bastards reoffend anyway. yes they reoffend without there junk working! because its in the mind, the pleasure comes from being dominate not so much the actual act. It is also fact that an abused child has a potentially higher risk to offend once in adult hood. There has also been many cases of abused children, abusing other children. I don't trust many fields of psychology since what they're doing is not science and the results mostly not sprung from a desire to find truths. And that's where the stuff about "power and control" comes from. It's a feminist theory to explain away rapists as women-haters. If rape really was about control and "getting back at women" you'd find it hard to explain why young (and attractive) women are usually the victims and not old women, and that the rapist himself is usually young and not old. Same thing goes for social groups. One other thing to think about is that rape is common in certain situations, for instance war. Do soldiers just get more power-hungry all of a sudden? Rape is common among animals and also among humans up until not long ago. Most people are the result of a rape that happened from anywhere right before they were born to 200 years ago or something. It's been a valid reproductive strategy evolutionary speaking. All men are (genetically) capable of rape, the difference is that it doesn't take that much for some, and for most it would take something like a war situation and some peer pressure to do it. Successful rapists in the past have simply passed on their genes (since it was impossible to determine who the child belonged to, the husband that perhaps stayed to raise the baby couldn't kill it). Rape is a very common sexual fantasy for women because of this. Also, the chances of conception is higher in rape scenarios, as it is in extramarital sex as well. This theory can explain most if not all questions about rape, which the power theory cannot. About pedophilia then: No, there is no causal relationship between being abused as a child and growing up to be an offender. If you want to make that argument you have to attempt to prove it. And while it's true that many child sex offenders are not pedophiles (they simply choose children because it's easy), more than half are according to the studies I've read. Also, I've never mentioned chemical castration so I don't know why you brought that up.
all i know is child sex offenders who have been chemical castrated have reoffended.
the power theory holds up, i dont think he wants to spread his sead to a 3 yr old boy/girl
i dont know what evidence you want, like you can speak about knowing womans fantasys but dimiss a comman profile of a pedo, really?
also not all victims of rape are young beautys, there have been a few grey rapes that i know of that have hit mainstream media, also the disabled.
sad really
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On December 22 2010 11:56 Mayfly wrote:
Because she has power that you, the rapist, hate or you wouldn't be a rapist (according to the power theory). Older, richer women certainly has more power than younger, poorer women, but aren't being raped as often.
You have no understanding of psychology whatsoever. It's cute that you try to criticize it when you don't even understand that "power" is meant in relation to physical attraction. Try to take a step back and start using common sense.
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On December 22 2010 11:54 Mayfly wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 11:39 LazyMacro wrote:On December 22 2010 11:28 Mayfly wrote:On December 22 2010 09:48 CheekyDuck wrote:On December 22 2010 01:30 Mayfly wrote:On December 21 2010 23:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 21 2010 20:36 Jswizzy wrote:On December 21 2010 20:27 qwaykee wrote:
i think there is a difference between being pedophile and abusing children. when i think pedophile its a person that gets aroused by children, he doesn't have to abuse them of any sort. and its not something you could just turn off, just as being homosexual I doubt there is a pedophile gene, esp when you consider how hight the rate of child abusers who were also abused them selves is. I would think that most people who feel this way about kids were molested themselves at an impressionable age and could never quite come to terms with it leaving them sexually confused for the rest of their lives. Comparing pedophiles to homosexuals just don't hold up in my book. There's a large difference here. Child molesters (what you're describing) aren't necessarily attracted to children - they do it because it's something they experienced as children and so feel that it's necessary, they need the control, etc. etc... Similar to rapists. They don't usually rape out of sexual desire, they do it for psychological control. I don't really have time to debunk you except to say that pretty much everything you said is false. Rape is very much a "sexual desire," and child molesters are not what they are because of something that happened to them during childhood. Read less bad psychology. What bad psychology books are you reading? its 101 that its more about power and control than a sexual urge. Its ridicules to offer chemical castration to these sickies for a lighter sentence, to have the bastards reoffend anyway. yes they reoffend without there junk working! because its in the mind, the pleasure comes from being dominate not so much the actual act. It is also fact that an abused child has a potentially higher risk to offend once in adult hood. There has also been many cases of abused children, abusing other children. I don't trust many fields of psychology since what they're doing is not science and the results mostly not sprung from a desire to find truths. And that's where the stuff about "power and control" comes from. It's a feminist theory to explain away rapists as women-haters. If rape really was about control and "getting back at women" you'd find it hard to explain why young (and attractive) women are usually the victims and not old women, and that the rapist himself is usually young and not old. Same thing goes for social groups. One other thing to think about is that rape is common in certain situations, for instance war. Do soldiers just get more power-hungry all of a sudden? Rape is common among animals and also among humans up until not long ago. Most people are the result of a rape that happened from anywhere right before they were born to 200 years ago or something. It's been a valid reproductive strategy evolutionary speaking. All men are (genetically) capable of rape, the difference is that it doesn't take that much for some, and for most it would take something like a war situation and some peer pressure to do it. Successful rapists in the past have simply passed on their genes (since it was impossible to determine who the child belonged to, the husband that perhaps stayed to raise the baby couldn't kill it). Rape is a very common sexual fantasy for women because of this. Also, the chances of conception is higher in rape scenarios, as it is in extramarital sex as well. This theory can explain most if not all questions about rape, which the power theory cannot. About pedophilia then: No, there is no causal relationship between being abused as a child and growing up to be an offender. If you want to make that argument you have to attempt to prove it. And while it's true that many child sex offenders are not pedophiles (they simply choose children because it's easy), more than half are according to the studies I've read. Also, I've never mentioned chemical castration so I don't know why you brought that up. With regards to the psychology bashing: You aren't really supporting why you don't listen to psychology. The study of psychology is inherently not "science" in the way I think you mean. Psychology is the study of that which is, by definition, not entirely subjective. That's why all established psychological principles are considered to be general truths, but not necessarily applicable in all instances. What I mean is that in math and science, it is what it is. One plus one always equals two; in psychology, you're taking an incredibly complex organic system and attempting to study it to learn more. (Oh what's that about not seeking truth?) The problem is that there are so many factors involved, sometimes you get odd or unexpected results. You also get a lot of very useful information, but everyone is always sitting there waiting to bash a study if its findings are "obvious" to the average person. Precisely because the study of complex systems is so complex you can reach conclusions that you want to reach and back them up half-assedly and anyone with an agenda can pick them up as proof to support any change they want to make. For instance the power theory that conspicuously pleases the feminist agenda that men hates women, blah blah.
do you hate women? i dont think the feminist agenda came to that conclusion about (child) rape. where did you get that from?
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If this gets banned/taken off shelves, I want Twilight gone. That dude is like 200 years old and shes only 17, wtffffffff
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On December 22 2010 11:57 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 11:54 Mayfly wrote:On December 22 2010 11:39 LazyMacro wrote:On December 22 2010 11:28 Mayfly wrote:On December 22 2010 09:48 CheekyDuck wrote:On December 22 2010 01:30 Mayfly wrote:On December 21 2010 23:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 21 2010 20:36 Jswizzy wrote:On December 21 2010 20:27 qwaykee wrote:
i think there is a difference between being pedophile and abusing children. when i think pedophile its a person that gets aroused by children, he doesn't have to abuse them of any sort. and its not something you could just turn off, just as being homosexual I doubt there is a pedophile gene, esp when you consider how hight the rate of child abusers who were also abused them selves is. I would think that most people who feel this way about kids were molested themselves at an impressionable age and could never quite come to terms with it leaving them sexually confused for the rest of their lives. Comparing pedophiles to homosexuals just don't hold up in my book. There's a large difference here. Child molesters (what you're describing) aren't necessarily attracted to children - they do it because it's something they experienced as children and so feel that it's necessary, they need the control, etc. etc... Similar to rapists. They don't usually rape out of sexual desire, they do it for psychological control. I don't really have time to debunk you except to say that pretty much everything you said is false. Rape is very much a "sexual desire," and child molesters are not what they are because of something that happened to them during childhood. Read less bad psychology. What bad psychology books are you reading? its 101 that its more about power and control than a sexual urge. Its ridicules to offer chemical castration to these sickies for a lighter sentence, to have the bastards reoffend anyway. yes they reoffend without there junk working! because its in the mind, the pleasure comes from being dominate not so much the actual act. It is also fact that an abused child has a potentially higher risk to offend once in adult hood. There has also been many cases of abused children, abusing other children. I don't trust many fields of psychology since what they're doing is not science and the results mostly not sprung from a desire to find truths. And that's where the stuff about "power and control" comes from. It's a feminist theory to explain away rapists as women-haters. If rape really was about control and "getting back at women" you'd find it hard to explain why young (and attractive) women are usually the victims and not old women, and that the rapist himself is usually young and not old. Same thing goes for social groups. One other thing to think about is that rape is common in certain situations, for instance war. Do soldiers just get more power-hungry all of a sudden? Rape is common among animals and also among humans up until not long ago. Most people are the result of a rape that happened from anywhere right before they were born to 200 years ago or something. It's been a valid reproductive strategy evolutionary speaking. All men are (genetically) capable of rape, the difference is that it doesn't take that much for some, and for most it would take something like a war situation and some peer pressure to do it. Successful rapists in the past have simply passed on their genes (since it was impossible to determine who the child belonged to, the husband that perhaps stayed to raise the baby couldn't kill it). Rape is a very common sexual fantasy for women because of this. Also, the chances of conception is higher in rape scenarios, as it is in extramarital sex as well. This theory can explain most if not all questions about rape, which the power theory cannot. About pedophilia then: No, there is no causal relationship between being abused as a child and growing up to be an offender. If you want to make that argument you have to attempt to prove it. And while it's true that many child sex offenders are not pedophiles (they simply choose children because it's easy), more than half are according to the studies I've read. Also, I've never mentioned chemical castration so I don't know why you brought that up. With regards to the psychology bashing: You aren't really supporting why you don't listen to psychology. The study of psychology is inherently not "science" in the way I think you mean. Psychology is the study of that which is, by definition, not entirely subjective. That's why all established psychological principles are considered to be general truths, but not necessarily applicable in all instances. What I mean is that in math and science, it is what it is. One plus one always equals two; in psychology, you're taking an incredibly complex organic system and attempting to study it to learn more. (Oh what's that about not seeking truth?) The problem is that there are so many factors involved, sometimes you get odd or unexpected results. You also get a lot of very useful information, but everyone is always sitting there waiting to bash a study if its findings are "obvious" to the average person. Precisely because the study of complex systems is so complex you can reach conclusions that you want to reach and back them up half-assedly and anyone with an agenda can pick them up as proof to support any change they want to make. For instance the power theory that conspicuously pleases the feminist agenda that men hates women, blah blah. Maybe you should read what you're writing. Oh, and I like how you dismiss an entire academic subject based off the idea that every psychologist has gotten bad conclusions because they're biased.
When have I done that, and when have I put forward that idea?
On December 22 2010 11:57 CheekyDuck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2010 11:28 Mayfly wrote:On December 22 2010 09:48 CheekyDuck wrote:On December 22 2010 01:30 Mayfly wrote:On December 21 2010 23:00 Stratos_speAr wrote:On December 21 2010 20:36 Jswizzy wrote:On December 21 2010 20:27 qwaykee wrote:
i think there is a difference between being pedophile and abusing children. when i think pedophile its a person that gets aroused by children, he doesn't have to abuse them of any sort. and its not something you could just turn off, just as being homosexual I doubt there is a pedophile gene, esp when you consider how hight the rate of child abusers who were also abused them selves is. I would think that most people who feel this way about kids were molested themselves at an impressionable age and could never quite come to terms with it leaving them sexually confused for the rest of their lives. Comparing pedophiles to homosexuals just don't hold up in my book. There's a large difference here. Child molesters (what you're describing) aren't necessarily attracted to children - they do it because it's something they experienced as children and so feel that it's necessary, they need the control, etc. etc... Similar to rapists. They don't usually rape out of sexual desire, they do it for psychological control. I don't really have time to debunk you except to say that pretty much everything you said is false. Rape is very much a "sexual desire," and child molesters are not what they are because of something that happened to them during childhood. Read less bad psychology. What bad psychology books are you reading? its 101 that its more about power and control than a sexual urge. Its ridicules to offer chemical castration to these sickies for a lighter sentence, to have the bastards reoffend anyway. yes they reoffend without there junk working! because its in the mind, the pleasure comes from being dominate not so much the actual act. It is also fact that an abused child has a potentially higher risk to offend once in adult hood. There has also been many cases of abused children, abusing other children. I don't trust many fields of psychology since what they're doing is not science and the results mostly not sprung from a desire to find truths. And that's where the stuff about "power and control" comes from. It's a feminist theory to explain away rapists as women-haters. If rape really was about control and "getting back at women" you'd find it hard to explain why young (and attractive) women are usually the victims and not old women, and that the rapist himself is usually young and not old. Same thing goes for social groups. One other thing to think about is that rape is common in certain situations, for instance war. Do soldiers just get more power-hungry all of a sudden? Rape is common among animals and also among humans up until not long ago. Most people are the result of a rape that happened from anywhere right before they were born to 200 years ago or something. It's been a valid reproductive strategy evolutionary speaking. All men are (genetically) capable of rape, the difference is that it doesn't take that much for some, and for most it would take something like a war situation and some peer pressure to do it. Successful rapists in the past have simply passed on their genes (since it was impossible to determine who the child belonged to, the husband that perhaps stayed to raise the baby couldn't kill it). Rape is a very common sexual fantasy for women because of this. Also, the chances of conception is higher in rape scenarios, as it is in extramarital sex as well. This theory can explain most if not all questions about rape, which the power theory cannot. About pedophilia then: No, there is no causal relationship between being abused as a child and growing up to be an offender. If you want to make that argument you have to attempt to prove it. And while it's true that many child sex offenders are not pedophiles (they simply choose children because it's easy), more than half are according to the studies I've read. Also, I've never mentioned chemical castration so I don't know why you brought that up. all i know is child sex offenders who have been chemical castrated have reoffended. the power theory holds up, i dont think he wants to spread his sead to a 3 yr old boy/girl i dont know what evidence you want, like you can speak about knowing womans fantasys but dimiss a comman profile of a pedo, really? also not all victims of rape are young beautys, there have been a few grey rapes that i know of that have hit mainstream media, also the disabled. sad really
That chemically castrated sex offenders offend doesn't really support the power theory. Also, it doesn't disprove the evolutionary theory because I'm sure there hasn't been time to select against castrated offenders, or any reason to build up an aversion to sexual encounters just because you lack the means to reproduce. Doesn't infertile men have sex or masturbate?
Why can't I speak about women's fantasies?
You clearly didn't understand my post of you think I said all rape victims are young beautys, or that it matters if some rape victims are grey (?) or disabled.
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On December 22 2010 12:08 Skoobasteve wrote:
If this gets banned/taken off shelves, I want Twilight gone. That dude is like 200 years old and shes only 17, wtffffffff
agree!
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