On September 29 2010 13:06 jon arbuckle wrote: Williamsburgh, man. Although I've heard that the economic crisis sent a lot of trust fund arts students back to their houses for obvious reasons. And not all "hipsters" are rich; I know people who are arguably hipsters and they eat 99 cents worth of pasta a day (no sauce) + bagels retrieved from dumpsters because they're too busy going to concerts, buying records, or working with their band.
Which is another thing: the most hipster-y people I know are astounding at networking and under-the-table business. How else do you make money from music these days?
This whole "hipsters, GRR" attitude blows my mind because by the definition of people who deride them hipsters will not admit to being hipsters and will still deride other people for being hipsters. It's like you're trying to position "hipsterdom" as some sort of counterculture when there does not exist actual parameters by which to understand the composition or effects of the counterculture. It's the most massive exercise in Othering I've ever seen, and it primarily comes from people who've never met hipsters, or people who otherwise bear some unholy grudge against the arts.
A massive exercise of Othering i think might be the best way to describe it.
I was going to go on about how I'm from art school and try to speak my piece about all this 'cause i like to procrastinate, but i think you've just hit the nail on the head.
i know i do because i live in los angeles and hollywood is about 10 minutes away. if you learn to deal with their bright neon plad shirt and their matching fix geared bikes, theyre really not that bad, if you dont talk to them.
I don't keep up with transient cultural phenomenons but wasn't it just a few years ago that goths/emos were being disparaged? I guess that trend has faded and now it's the hipsters' turn to be ridiculed by a previous generation.
I don't know who gets to decide what constitute culture but I do know that gaming culture has very little room to be disparaging any other culture.
"Damn kids these days" is something that will never go out of fashion in any generation.
On September 29 2010 09:03 KurtistheTurtle wrote: I first heard the word "hipster" at the start of the year describing a group of girls I know. I'd never heard this word before, but as soon as I did I knew exactly what it was talking about.
Standing outside an art-party next to a neat row of locked-up fixed-gear bikes, I come across a couple girls who exemplify hipster homogeneity. I ask one of the girls if her being at an art party and wearing fake eyeglasses, leggings and a flannel shirt makes her a hipster.
"I’m not comfortable with that term," she replies.
Her friend adds, with just a flicker of menace in her eyes, "Yeah, I don’t know, you shouldn’t use that word, it’s just…"
"Offensive?"
"No… it’s just, well… if you don’t know why then you just shouldn’t even use it."
"Ok, so what are you girls doing tonight after this party?"
Those girls do this. Dress like 'em, talk like 'em, and walk like 'em. But they'll vehemently deny being them. These same girls, while being very socialized (all they do is party), don't seem like they actually have a purpose in their life. The article I linked articulates it.
That's the only small pocket of them I know. Even then, they make me wtf with some of the stuff they do and what they say in class. I'll start paying attention and post shit here, but they'll do really inconvenient things just because its ironic. I don't want to classify all hipsters by this one group, but this one group just kind of siphons off everything.
If any of you know what I'm talking about from the inside, please explain it to me. I will listen. The only hipsters I know don't have any actual explanations for me.
But if you give me any of that crap about it being ironic or just saying how I don't get it, to me it means you don't think about your life choices or why you are who you are and something else is doing it for you. That makes you a dumb shit.
I'm looking for a sensible and opposing point of view to this article
Not sure if anyone has said this already, but why do you care about what other people do? You clearly have low self-esteem if you are concerned about what other people wear/do. By your post it seems you aren't mad at them for "siphoning everything" ,you are more jealous of their popularity and wish you were one of them. Stop worrying about other people and focus on your own life. Also i'm guessing one of your ex-girlfriends or friends is a hipster and has done something for you to rage about it, in which case grow up and get over it.
Hey guys, while we are hating Hipsters (a very vague genre of style), lets add some hate of emo people as well in here! Hell, lets just jump to nerds too! + Show Spoiler +
Yeah, overgeneralizing, presumptuous threads are worse than the presumptuous people they are about.
Who honestly cares what other people do with their money/spare time?
If people are enjoying themselves (doesn't matter what "group" you decide put them in) and not harming anyone doing it then let them do whatever it is they do.
The US has many issues worth worrying about... this is not one of them.
On September 29 2010 13:06 jon arbuckle wrote: Williamsburgh, man. Although I've heard that the economic crisis sent a lot of trust fund arts students back to their houses for obvious reasons. And not all "hipsters" are rich; I know people who are arguably hipsters and they eat 99 cents worth of pasta a day (no sauce) + bagels retrieved from dumpsters because they're too busy going to concerts, buying records, or working with their band.
Which is another thing: the most hipster-y people I know are astounding at networking and under-the-table business. How else do you make money from music these days?
This whole "hipsters, GRR" attitude blows my mind because by the definition of people who deride them hipsters will not admit to being hipsters and will still deride other people for being hipsters. It's like you're trying to position "hipsterdom" as some sort of counterculture when there does not exist actual parameters by which to understand the composition or effects of the counterculture. It's the most massive exercise in Othering I've ever seen, and it primarily comes from people who've never met hipsters, or people who otherwise bear some unholy grudge against the arts.
On September 29 2010 14:34 vek wrote: Who honestly cares what other people do with their money/spare time?
If people are enjoying themselves (doesn't matter what "group" you decide put them in) and not harming anyone doing it then let them do whatever it is they do.
The US has many issues worth worrying about... this is not one of them.
There are different strains of hipster. Many are filthy and do not wear deodorant. Others are into vintage fashion and immaculate grooming. Remember the furry x emo hybrid clique who call themselves werewolves? They are like a larvael stage on the way to becoming full grown hipsters.
I'm sure many hipsters also consider people who dedicate an enormous amount of time trying to be better than everyone else at a video game to be gigantic tools as well.
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