EPTHipsters -- a disturbing look at US culture - Page 3
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Bereft
United States1007 Posts
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:35 Ace wrote: How are you so sure this is the makeup of TL? A website with a large number of long term posters and young adults on their own. I live in Brooklyn also but my encounters with the Hipster culture is very limited. I'm not even sure what classifies a person as being a Hipster aside from their choice of fashion. If you want to make fun of a person, they're a hipster. "Look at that hipster. What a fucking idiot." There you go. Also, I remember you from like 7 years ago in a thread where I talked about getting robbed around Flatbush and The Junction. How's it going :O | ||
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LegendaryZ
United States1583 Posts
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Surrealz
United States449 Posts
Seriously, we have way bigger issues in this country than a bunch of college students walking around in American Apparel Zip Down Hoodies. Whats the problem? Its not like they are hurting anyone, they simply are being trendy and are into new fashions. I can see it on the hipster website them saying "Those nerds over on video gaming forums love smoking weed and making blogs asking other nerds for girl help". Everyone has different styles, concerns, opinions, and hobbies. Deal with it starcraft players. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:38 The_Pacifist wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=119751 This is a poll of TL conducted for this year. As you can see, the vast majority of TLers fall within the teen/young adult age group. That poll definitely does not represent any meaningful data on TL posters. For one it's a random forum thread which means everyone who COULD vote has not voted because everyone hasn't even seen the thread. With barely over 1,000 votes claiming to be male when we all know this website has many more than that how can you even take that poll at face value? | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
plus charliemurphy was thread starter and im not sure how exactly this hurts your argument but it cant be good. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:42 Ace wrote: That poll definitely does not represent any meaningful data on TL posters. For one it's a random forum thread which means everyone who COULD vote has not voted because everyone hasn't even seen the thread. With barely over 1,000 votes claiming to be male when we all know this website has many more than that how can you even take that poll at face value? Pretty decent sample size, yeah? Not like you need 50% of the forum to get a fairly accurate idea on this sort of thing. But I don't know shit about stats so whatever | ||
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Fontong
United States6454 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:31 The_Pacifist wrote: Hipsters in the US tend to be middle class teens and young adults. Despite having no full time jobs (are students), they are financially well off (parents pay for their lifestyle) and have plenty of disposable income. They also have very few responsibilities (no families to care for) and way too much free time. Sound familiar? Because this is about the same demographic as TL. The hipsters decide to spend all that spare time and extra resources keeping up with the latest in youth culture. In the end, they are not that different from many of us on TL who are also young adults or teens with way too much free time and comfort. The difference is that we invest it in video games while the hipsters invest that time in whatever happens to be trendy that week. Like them, we waste time on something that ultimately has no actual return value (unless you go pro, playing Starcraft all day is just as unfruitful as going 'hipster.') But the part I think that pisses people off the most is the attitude of hipsters: the way they talk, classify people, try to be as exclusive as possible, etc. In reality, the hipsters are really no different than we TLers for the most part. And to look down on the hipsters for their elitist attitudes and fruitless lifestyles is to be hypocritical and do exactly what we despise the most in the "hipsters." The only real difference is perspective. Yeah I took the same train of thought to a different conclusion. They don't have real jobs, and most people's parents aren't going to pay for their sorry asses forever. Don't worry about it, these hipsters you speak of will eventually need money and then they will have to get jobs and conform. | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:42 Surrealz wrote: ITT: A bunch of geeks get angry and call people who dress well bad names and rage. Seriously, we have way bigger issues in this country than a bunch of college students walking around in American Apparel Zip Down Hoodies. Whats the problem? Its not like they are hurting anyone, they simply are being trendy and are into new fashions. I can see it on the hipster website them saying "Those nerds over on video gaming forums love smoking weed and making blogs asking other nerds for girl help". Everyone has different styles, concerns, opinions, and hobbies. Deal with it starcraft players. The problem is that they don't do anything meaningful nor useful. Associating them with any kind of true counterculture like the ones I listed in my previous post in this thread misrepresents the culture the word "hipster" refers to. Personally, I hang out, work out, and study a lot more than I play Starcraft. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:42 choboPEon wrote: If you want to make fun of a person, they're a hipster. "Look at that hipster. What a fucking idiot." There you go. Also, I remember you from like 7 years ago in a thread where I talked about getting robbed around Flatbush and The Junction. How's it going :O haha oh wow that is faintly familiar. It's going good I guess, how's life in BK treating you now? | ||
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Surrealz
United States449 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:46 LunarC wrote: The problem is that they don't do anything meaningful nor useful. Associating them with any kind of true counterculture like the ones I listed in my previous post in this thread misrepresents the culture the word "hipster" refers to. Personally, I hang out, work out, and study a lot more than I play Starcraft. You hang out, work out, and study. You might be at risk of being a hipster dude. What exactly is useful? Cause the only thing remotely useful you listed in your activities list there is studying, which is pretty useless to the rest of us as it is more of a self improvement for yourself Let people do what they want. These hipsters are all cooler than us. We are typing on an internet forum about them. | ||
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Licmyobelisk
Philippines3682 Posts
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:49 Surrealz wrote: You hang out, work out, and study. You might be at risk of being a hipster dude. What exactly is useful? Cause the only thing remotely useful you listed in your activities list there is studying, which is pretty useless to the rest of us as it is more of a self improvement for yourself Let people do what they want. These hipsters are all cooler than us. We are typing on an internet forum about them. Don't get in the way of an orgy of insults, dude. GET OUT OF THE WAY. | ||
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The_Pacifist
United States540 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:42 Ace wrote: That poll definitely does not represent any meaningful data on TL posters. For one it's a random forum thread which means everyone who COULD vote has not voted because everyone hasn't even seen the thread. With barely over 1,000 votes claiming to be male when we all know this website has many more than that how can you even take that poll at face value? You don't have to drop a penny fifty times with a control variable, calculate air resistance based on the penny's aerodynamic properties, perform it in an isolated testing environment, and do a z test analysis to find out that when you let go of a penny, it's going to drop. Same thing here. The poll isn't some perfectly conducted scientific experiment, but it doesn't have to be in order to show a very rough point. | ||
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LunarC
United States1186 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:49 Surrealz wrote: You hang out, work out, and study. You might be at risk of being a hipster dude. What exactly is useful? Cause the only thing remotely useful you listed in your activities list there is studying, which is pretty useless to the rest of us as it is more of a self improvement for yourself Let people do what they want. These hipsters are all cooler than us. We are typing on an internet forum about them. I don't try to identify with a "movement" or "counterculture" through the products that I buy. And I don't live my life like I have all the time and money in the world either. And when I say "useful" I mean personally useful. | ||
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wadadde
270 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:36 No_Roo wrote: I completely disagree with the premise that regular playing of Starcraft or strategy games in general offers "no actual return value". There are numerous quantifiable benefits to be had without winning money, such as improving dexterity, mental focus, multitasking, critical thought, crisis management, and many many others. These attributes are applicable to many important aspects of daily life. Uh... no. Playing starcraft makes one better at playing starcraft. I'm sure that some of the skills also carry over into RL, but the rewards are not in any way proportional to the effort/time sacrificed. It's a "waste of time" and playing all day just means that you're part of a decadent, pleasure seeking, ambitionless generation. I hate talk about generations. At least "hipsters" aren't naive or dishonest about what they are. | ||
BroOd
Austin10831 Posts
No Great Depression. Our Great War is a spiritual war, our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, | ||
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KurtistheTurtle
United States1966 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:53 BroOd wrote: "We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War is a spiritual war, our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, you aren't your fucking khakis | ||
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Lexpar
1813 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:53 BroOd wrote: "We have no Great War. No Great Depression. Our Great War is a spiritual war, our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars. But we won't. And we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, Apt. | ||
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EAGER-beaver
Canada2799 Posts
On September 29 2010 09:31 The_Pacifist wrote: Hipsters in the US tend to be middle class teens and young adults. Despite having no full time jobs (are students), they are financially well off (parents pay for their lifestyle) and have plenty of disposable income. They also have very few responsibilities (no families to care for) and way too much free time. Sound familiar? Because this is about the same demographic as TL. The hipsters decide to spend all that spare time and extra resources keeping up with the latest in youth culture. In the end, they are not that different from many of us on TL who are also young adults or teens with way too much free time and comfort. The difference is that we invest it in video games while the hipsters invest that time in whatever happens to be trendy that week. Like them, we waste time on something that ultimately has no actual return value (unless you go pro, playing Starcraft all day is just as unfruitful as going 'hipster.') But the part I think that pisses people off the most is the attitude of hipsters: the way they talk, classify people, try to be as exclusive as possible, etc. In reality, the hipsters are really no different than we TLers for the most part. And to look down on the hipsters for their elitist attitudes and fruitless lifestyles is to be hypocritical and do exactly what we despise the most in the "hipsters." The only real difference is perspective. This sounds a lot like damn dirty hipster talk to me, lets get him!! | ||
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