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On August 26 2010 04:27 thesighter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 03:35 VIB wrote:On August 26 2010 03:26 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:23 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:17 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:03 thesighter wrote:
Americans are against the building of the mosque becuase it is offensive to the 9/11 families .
How is it offensive to 9/11 families? It's a mosque, there's others like it in and around New York. Because they find islam offensive. They fear it after the connection 9/11 burned in their mind. See thats how the mind works. If you get hurt by something you tend to associate similar things/events/people with that thing. That being said the right action is tolerance. Remember to ask yourself in situations like this WWJD?* * + Show Spoiler + Finding Islam offensive is bigoted and those who oppose the mosque should be treated as such. There is no law being broken. There's literally nothing that could hold up in a court case to stop the mosque from being built. Like illegal immigration or gay marriage, it's just another excuse for bigots to be bigots in public and get away with it. I didnt say it was. My heart goes out to all those who lost love ones in 9/11. And if they will feel further suffering at seeing a mosque then my heart goes out to them again that old wounds have to be opened. But they (and all of us) must be tolerant lest a far worse evil be done. Actually many of the 9/11 families support the mosque and feel honored by it: "We support the building of the Islamic community center in lower Manhattan and want to explain why we feel that it would honor our son and other victims." - parents of a victum That's a just one of the token 911 families supporting the mosque. Most are against it. Most NYCers are against it. Most New Yorkers are against it. Most Americans are against it. <- all from the polls
Who gives a shit? They have their right to build a mosque/community center wherever they want, regardless of how many people are going to protest them.
If some people are so ignorant that they relate 9/11 with all of Islam, then they deserve to have their feelings hurt.
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On August 26 2010 04:27 thesighter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 03:35 VIB wrote:On August 26 2010 03:26 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:23 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:17 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:03 thesighter wrote:
Americans are against the building of the mosque becuase it is offensive to the 9/11 families .
How is it offensive to 9/11 families? It's a mosque, there's others like it in and around New York. Because they find islam offensive. They fear it after the connection 9/11 burned in their mind. See thats how the mind works. If you get hurt by something you tend to associate similar things/events/people with that thing. That being said the right action is tolerance. Remember to ask yourself in situations like this WWJD?* * + Show Spoiler + Finding Islam offensive is bigoted and those who oppose the mosque should be treated as such. There is no law being broken. There's literally nothing that could hold up in a court case to stop the mosque from being built. Like illegal immigration or gay marriage, it's just another excuse for bigots to be bigots in public and get away with it. I didnt say it was. My heart goes out to all those who lost love ones in 9/11. And if they will feel further suffering at seeing a mosque then my heart goes out to them again that old wounds have to be opened. But they (and all of us) must be tolerant lest a far worse evil be done. Actually many of the 9/11 families support the mosque and feel honored by it: "We support the building of the Islamic community center in lower Manhattan and want to explain why we feel that it would honor our son and other victims." - parents of a victum That's a just one of the token 911 families supporting the mosque. Most are against it. Most NYCers are against it. Most New Yorkers are against it. Most Americans are against it. <- all from the polls
35% of manhattanites oppose the mosque
53% of NYC opposes it
68% of Americans oppose it
Opposition actually decreases as you get closer to GZ. They want to heal wounds, while maybe Alaskan politicians want to use 911 for cheap political gain.
Also read Time magazine's poll from Aug 16-17.
34% of Americans would oppose building a mosque within 2 blocks of their own home
24% would oppose a Mormon temple
18% a Jewish synagogue
This has as much to do with bigotry as a desire for sensitivity.
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America: the land of the free, and home of the brave.
Edit: Incidentally, RE the mosque/community center: Muslims have every right to build whatever they want wherever they want. You can't stop someone from doing something legal.
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On August 26 2010 02:52 thesighter wrote:
Definitely related.
Mosque developers need to take a hint and stop the construction. If the mosque is constructed, I anticipate that there will be more anti-Islam violence, eg the mosque makes the situation of Muslims in NYC much worse.
Republicans are going to use this mosque issue as ammunition for the coming elections. Given that over 60% of Americans are against the mosque, this is going to bad news for the Obama administration.
That's like negotiating with terrorists...
They need to keep building that mosque.
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Don't people have better things to worry about? Isn't life stressful enough without worrying about things that don't affect you?
I find it hard to make time for friends or cleaning the dishes, let alone worrying about this stuff. Blows my mind.
Can't these people just hate their family and friends like normal people?!!?!?!!
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On August 26 2010 04:27 thesighter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 03:35 VIB wrote:On August 26 2010 03:26 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:23 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:17 Archerofaiur wrote:On August 26 2010 03:10 Offhand wrote:On August 26 2010 03:03 thesighter wrote:
Americans are against the building of the mosque becuase it is offensive to the 9/11 families .
How is it offensive to 9/11 families? It's a mosque, there's others like it in and around New York. Because they find islam offensive. They fear it after the connection 9/11 burned in their mind. See thats how the mind works. If you get hurt by something you tend to associate similar things/events/people with that thing. That being said the right action is tolerance. Remember to ask yourself in situations like this WWJD?* * + Show Spoiler + Finding Islam offensive is bigoted and those who oppose the mosque should be treated as such. There is no law being broken. There's literally nothing that could hold up in a court case to stop the mosque from being built. Like illegal immigration or gay marriage, it's just another excuse for bigots to be bigots in public and get away with it. I didnt say it was. My heart goes out to all those who lost love ones in 9/11. And if they will feel further suffering at seeing a mosque then my heart goes out to them again that old wounds have to be opened. But they (and all of us) must be tolerant lest a far worse evil be done. Actually many of the 9/11 families support the mosque and feel honored by it: "We support the building of the Islamic community center in lower Manhattan and want to explain why we feel that it would honor our son and other victims." - parents of a victum That's a just one of the token 911 families supporting the mosque. Most are against it. Most NYCers are against it. Most New Yorkers are against it. Most Americans are against it. <- all from the polls
After reading his link, tell me one reason to be against it. The only reason you could be against it after reading this is, is if you think that this mosque is "sponsored" by terrorists and was bought with extremists's fundings. Wich theres no proof atm.
If you clean your mind and your prejudices about muslims and the whole religion you'll actually understand that theres a lot more chances that this is a non-terrorist related mosque. When theres nothing that make you believe that theres a relation, you cant be against it.
You should really use this to gain respect from moderate muslims (or REAL muslims should I say which represent 99% of them and completely disagree with what Talibans did) cause it would help you in your war against terrorism. They would be far less stronger.
It would be far more effective than 100 Afghans wars and would cost you nothing.
But instead you're taking it the wrong way, en route to more wars, more deaths and more hate.
You're chosing the violent way, closing your eyes so that you dont see your own mistakes.
You could use this symbol, a mosque at ground zero, in a peaceful way (it could do only good things with appropriate political speaches).
But you wont and will pay it in the years to come. You'll have earned it.
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To stereotype one group based on the actions of a radical few is illogical.
It's the equivalent of labeling, for example, all Catholics/Christians insane because of the one guy who killed abortion doctors.
With the concept of religious freedom, this shouldn't really be an issue, yet it is.
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just kill all religious people and the world will be a better place
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On August 26 2010 06:30 Gatsbi wrote:
just kill all religious people and the world will be a better place
Yes, because my set of intolerance's are better than your set of intolerance's...
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On August 26 2010 06:30 Gatsbi wrote:
just kill all religious people and the world will be a better place
Nietzsche tried something way more humane yet no one would listen 
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On August 26 2010 06:32 RisingTide wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 06:30 Gatsbi wrote:
just kill all religious people and the world will be a better place Yes, because my set of intolerance's are better than your set of intolerance's...
At least my intolerances come from a logical and scientific standpoint, as opposed to yours which come from a 2000 year old book about talking snakes and poison apples.
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Wow, that is really dumb and stupid, also, this looks americans in general look very racist. This is why americans get such a bad rep everywhere
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Building a mosque is gonna do jackshit to heal wounds. That's some far left liberal crap. But they do have rights to build a mosque where they want. I think its silly to rub people the wrong way by building it there, just because its bringing all the needless conntroversy. But if they feel they have to build it there to fight for their rights to build it there, whatever. I'm certainly not gonna stop them from doing it.
And its not like they're building it on 9/12/01. Its been 9yrs already. There's a limit the sensitivity period. Get over it. Life has to go on and that includes mosques being built in places.
These are my opinion on this stupid controversy. And p.s I live in ny.
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On August 26 2010 06:36 Tazza wrote:
Wow, that is really dumb and stupid, also, this looks americans in general look very racist. This is why americans get such a bad rep everywhere
Buddy, I've lived in 4 countries throughout my life and USA is the most tolerant of them all. Say what you want but there is no state in the US where you would feel insecure in general just because you are an immigrant. Everyone screams "racism" but that only means that people are well aware of the problem. Racism exists everywhere, your country would be one of the examples.
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Get well soon Mr. Sharif, terrible this kinda stuff still happens.
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I can understand why someone would be anti-islam in NY even though I don't support it, what I can't understand is attacking some random cab driver for their religious views...
attack the religion itself in open forums and TV discussions if you must sure, but not the people who practice the religion <.<
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Why are humans so intolerant towards people who have different beliefs?
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On August 26 2010 06:49 SubtleArt wrote:
Why are humans so intolerant towards people who have different beliefs?
Because these beliefs have lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of people?
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On August 26 2010 06:48 Jameser wrote:
I can understand why someone would be anti-islam in NY even though I don't support it, what I can't understand is attacking some random cab driver for their religious views...
attack the religion itself in open forums and TV discussions if you must sure, but not the people who practice the religion <.<
You are trying to understand why would someone insane attack another person based on some cultural differences? Clinical psychiatry cannot always understand the exact mechanism and motives behind it, why would you waste time trying?
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On August 26 2010 06:52 Gatsbi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2010 06:49 SubtleArt wrote:
Why are humans so intolerant towards people who have different beliefs? Because these beliefs have lead to the death of hundreds of thousands of people?
Why are you talking about the death toll of the crusades in a post about a muslim being attacked?
You're pretty
wierd.
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